St James' Park

[OverThere]

6 minutes ago, J7 said:

I went to Broncos-Commanders in 2023 and was surprised at how much abuse the Commanders fans were dishing out to the home fans around me, despite there being no segregation. A few times I thought it was going to get nasty. 

Yup same here. No segregation and a ton of alcohol. What could go wrong!!

[Danh1]

 

[Whitley mag]

The Spurs stadium is practically on the same footprint as WHL, it’s a real difficult conundrum is it the design that makes it soulless, or the fact it’s to big for them and  is now full of fair weather fans.

 

If we move to Leazes Park it’s practically the same situation as them really, I would say with the big single tier it couldn’t be anymore conducive to creating a good atmosphere, so if that doesn’t work not sure what will.

 

The new Everton stadium will be interesting as seems very compact with steep stands and probably a lot less corporate than Spurs.

 

I understand the concerns about creating a soulless experience, on the flip side though I find the current SJP depressing as fuck, the Milburn and Leazes are awfully designed and have no atmosphere whatsoever, and the East Stand needs condemned

Ultimately I think a rebuilt SJP will have no resemblance to the current stadium and would be just as soulless as any new stadium a couple of hundred yards up the road.

 

 

[Kanj]

Don’t underestimate that NUFC is a different animal. Proper unhinged beauties. 

[TheBrownBottle]

Love the idea that SJP is a cauldron of noise compared to the soulless new stadia built elsewhere.  It’s also as if the current SJP wasn’t chucked up with precisely that in mind, only to be rendered out of date within a couple of decades.  

[mattypnufc]

Whilst I’m a fan of .coms reviews and theirs no doubting their commitment and loyalty throughout the years, some of that report stinks of ‘I’m alright jack’ and continually trying to put the boot into SK fans is odd too. 

[Ben]

I remember sitting at a league cup game a few years ago and the two blokes behind me were complaining about hating cup games because they let the "general public" in

[Tross]

New crest, rebranding of whole club.

 

Clubs dead. 

[Slim]

4 minutes ago, Tross said:

New crest, rebranding of whole club.

 

Clubs dead. 

Helps with PSR.  Very clever 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Tross said:

New crest, rebranding of whole club.

 

Clubs dead. 

Aye because one thing I’m doing is taking Burnsie’s word at face value. 

[J7]

5 minutes ago, Tross said:

New crest, rebranding of whole club.

 

Clubs dead. 

It’s died quite a few times then.

[Gaztoon]

Exciting times then.

[Harry 209]

I hope that whatever happens they put up a geet big illuminated sign saying NEWCASTLE UNITED on top of one of the stands, that you can see on the skyline as you approach the ground.

[LFEE]

Is it just me or does the whole “soulless bowl” comments regarding a new stadium give you similar “sovereignty” vibes from those that argued for Brexit 

 

Look how deciding to go backwards is turning out for the country…

 

[Elliottman]

I thought the atmosphere at SJP was shit and soulless anyway? What difference will it make if it soulless somewhere else? 

[r0cafella]

3 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Is it just me or does the whole “soulless bowl” comments regarding a new stadium give you similar “sovereignty” vibes from those that argued for Brexit 

 

Look how deciding to go backwards is turning out for the country…

 

I think people should understand the atmosphere is created by those in the ground and not the ground itself. Sure you can design for better acoustics but you can't amplify silence. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

I think people should understand the atmosphere is created by those in the ground and not the ground itself. Sure you can design for better acoustics but you can't amplify silence. 

And imagine how great an atmosphere our fans could create in a stadium not built like a sieve. 
 

Build it and they will come around. Or just announce plans, show images of what it could look like, present it in form of digestible media. Just don’t fumble the announcement. 

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, MagCA said:

And imagine how great an atmosphere our fans could create in a stadium not built like a sieve. 
 

Build it and they will come around. Or just announce plans, show images of what it could look like, present it in form of digestible media. Just don’t fumble the announcement. 

To be honest, despite my disagreements I think a lot of the hesitancy related more to the potential of moving elsewhere somewhere less central which is understandable. 

 

Obviously with the amount of unknowns and trade offers which we will inevitably have a lot of people would rather embrace what they know. 

[Wallsendmag]

4 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I think people should understand the atmosphere is created by those in the ground and not the ground itself. Sure you can design for better acoustics but you can't amplify silence. 

 

Totally agree. It's down to the people who are in it that make the main difference. People moaning about Spurs stadium mustn't have visited White Hart Lane many times because on the half dozen or so occasions I visited it, the only real atmosphere there was generated by us lot.

 

Arsenal and The Emirates the same. Highbury wasn't nicknamed the "Highbury Library" for nothing.

[Pablo]

What everyone seems to be missing is that the main reason atmospheres are rubbish is due to the people within it. It seems that the existing season ticket holders want to stay where they are, and there is a massive family section. It is challenging to get like minded noisy, invested and radgie fans co-located. If nothing else a new stadium will force moves, and I’d expect the club to set up specific sections whether formally or informally.

If we stay at SJP it will never improve, if we move, there is a chance of a small upturn in atmosphere, but football has changed and it will never be the bear pit it was in years gone by.

[TBG]

7 days in and the year is ruined.

[Kid Icarus]

1 hour ago, LFEE said:

Is it just me or does the whole “soulless bowl” comments regarding a new stadium give you similar “sovereignty” vibes from those that argued for Brexit 

 

Look how deciding to go backwards is turning out for the country…

 

I think it's more noticeable how with the right language anyone can make being in favour of the changes that people don't want look like the progressive position that's being attacked rather than doing the attacking. Then present the defensive resistance to those changes as the side doing the attacking, that's also inherently conservative, regressive, xenophobic, bigoted, or whatever else you want to throw at it.

 

I don't think this is some irrational fear of the unknown outsider, it's that this specific brand of capitalism and its negative effects on football are known and already inside that makes the fear of having yet more of it rational.

 

I often think football mirrors tons of these little scenarios that are like microcosms for bigger political or historical situations, and this is just another one.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 7 by Kid Icarus

[Guest]

Until it’s truly dead as an option. I will still hold out hope for an announcement that the club has bought the Arena property and surrounding land. PIF will take ownership of the new arena next to Sage and get that built. NUFC will create a world class stadium on the river with a community of bars, shops, hotels etc. around it. 
 

Let a man live out an unlikely dream. 

[Kid Icarus]

11 minutes ago, Pablo said:

What everyone seems to be missing is that the main reason atmospheres are rubbish is due to the people within it. It seems that the existing season ticket holders want to stay where they are, and there is a massive family section. It is challenging to get like minded noisy, invested and radgie fans co-located. If nothing else a new stadium will force moves, and I’d expect the club to set up specific sections whether formally or informally.

If we stay at SJP it will never improve, if we move, there is a chance of a small upturn in atmosphere, but football has changed and it will never be the bear pit it was in years gone by.

It's just as much, if not more, about the relationships the people in the ground have with those they're surrounded by and as has been brought up a few times, the club hasn't just failed to nurture that, they've actively ruined it.

[pinkeye]

11 minutes ago, MagCA said:

Until it’s truly dead as an option. I will still hold out hope for an announcement that the club has bought the Arena property and surrounding land. PIF will take ownership of the new arena next to Sage and get that built. NUFC will create a world class stadium on the river with a community of bars, shops, hotels etc. around it. 
 

Let a man live out an unlikely dream. 

 

There is already some considerable building activity right next to the Arena site (on the other side of the road.  I have a feeling this one is dead in the water as an option.