St James' Park

[bobbydazzla]

6 minutes ago, OpenC said:

Seriously a world where people think that it's fair enough that footballing success should be rewarded with punishments and points deductions if the teams involved don't get with the programme  a team that overspent but is winning with a brilliantly coached and motivated Chris Wood and Anthony Elanga

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not fair and Forest shouldn't have been deducted points for being ambitious and wanting to become a decent side 

 

Same as we shouldn't be threatened with punishment for wanting to build a squad to try and challenge for silverware on a regular basis

 

But that's the world the cartel have created and until something major changes, we must live by their rules or take their punishment

 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by bobbydazzla

[Interpolic]

@LFEE I respect you massively as a fan and a person (hopefully that's clear already :)), but... 

 

You should surely accept that some people's preference is to stay at SJP without claiming the club won't be able to compete if it goes down this road. Lots of us simply don't agree with that. And feel that the drawbacks of a move outweigh the benefits. I'm one of them. 

 

I'm not sure when the dial shifted but that's previously been a fair position to hold, and as far as I'm concerned it still is. 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by Interpolic

[TBG]

Could we not just make everyone else downsize?

[HawK]

Personally I want to buy a ST but can't so whatever helps me do that first and foremost I'd vote for

[Interpolic]

53 minutes ago, cubaricho said:

You’re such a simpleton.  

 

Any need? 

[TBG]

Isak doubtful for Man City away on the 15th Feb.

[TBG]

Trust me bro.

[TBG]

Wrong bloody thread.

[OpenC]

Makes a change tbf, thread has been pretty samey for months

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by OpenC

[Nobody]

5 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

A reminder that getting rid of SJP based on the argument of not getting left behind very much means still being left behind in reality. If you want to get in and others to be able to get in, fair enough like, but these arguments about PSR, matchday income, tickets being available to those who can't afford it etc are all either pretty baseless or result in negligible benefits vs what's lost in the process. 

 

 

 

 

Still a significant gap between our match day incomes and the Sinister 6. Plus with a new stadium, I would imagine that would provide a whole host of new commercial opportunities as well that would narrow the gap even more. 

Don't think anyone is saying moving stadium is the way to get even with the Sinister 6, but it definitely would help us bridge that gap.

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, OpenC said:

If only there was a high flying club in the premier league, maybe second or thereabouts, that hadn't sold its soul for corporate glory to demonstrate that it's still possible to football your way to success in 2025

 

Less than a decade ago we used to vilify and mock Mike Ashley for wanting us to be balance sheet champions and now we're all desperate to be balance sheet champions  football is so shit now, man

 

 

 

If the aim is the odd season of unsustainable success then you’re right - but Forest will not maintain their current position.   

[TheBrownBottle]

The bit that I scratch my head about is when this sentimentality re SJP started in the fan base.  Because it wasn’t there in 1996/97 - the support was pretty unified in wanting a move for the betterment of the club.

 

1 hour ago, Interpolic said:

@LFEE I respect you massively as a fan and a person (hopefully that's clear already :)), but... 

 

You should surely accept that some people's preference is to stay at SJP without claiming the club won't be able to compete if it goes down this road. Lots of us simply don't agree with that. And feel that the drawbacks of a move outweigh the benefits. I'm one of them. 

 

I'm not sure when the dial shifted but that's previously been a fair position to hold, and as far as I'm concerned it still is. 

 

 

 

The problem is that the claims that we’d be able to compete long-term staying where we are, are not then followed-up with anything tangible.  And the drawbacks of the move aren’t clear either - if the move was to Castle Leazes, what drawbacks are there?

[OpenC]

7 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

If the aim is the odd season of unsustainable success then you’re right - but Forest will not maintain their current position.   

 

But if the aim is to be like Tottenham Hotspur then I'm just not that interested

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, OpenC said:

 

But if the aim is to be like Tottenham Hotspur then I'm just not that interested

The difference is that Spurs don’t actually spend what they could spend.  No-one had said that the aim is to be like Spurs at any point.  Spurs’ income increases are incredible; but they have a miserly ownership.  Spurs’ ownership are like what we were under Ashley, had Ashley been competent.

 

We can’t compete with the top clubs long term without serious revenue increases - our players will be picked off one by one.

 

We should want to be competitive on a sustainable basis.  I’ve zero sentiment for the current SJP, which to me always represented curtailed ambition and a previous ownership’s ability to award its other companies construction contracts.  
 

I don’t doubt those who do not wish to leave will be persuaded to leave, but they should not pretend that staying makes no difference to future ambitions.  And personally I’m sick to fucking death of the club not being all it could be. 

[TBG]

First time walking up to level 7 in like a year. Petition for the new stadium to have sponsored stannah stairlifts.

[OpenC]

I just want football to not be a fucking wank financial regsathon any more, I think. Such a pyrrhic success to aim at, just trying to join the rich kids because we also are newly rich but being given shit hoops to jump through for their amusement

 

I'm 50 this year so I reckon I've now reached the time of life I can legitimately warn people that they'll rue the day  

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, OpenC said:

I just want football to not be a fucking wank financial regsathon any more, I think. Such a pyrrhic success to aim at, just trying to join the rich kids because we also are newly rich but being given shit hoops to jump through for their amusement

 

I'm 50 this year so I reckon I've now reached the time of life I can legitimately warn people that they'll rue the day  

I agree, but football is going to remain a financial regsathon, unfortunately.  That’s unlikely to ever change. 

[cubaricho]

5 minutes ago, OpenC said:

 

I just want football to not be a fucking wank financial regsathon any more

 

That horse has truly bolted, especially at the PL level. 

[GEFAFWISP]

24 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

The bit that I scratch my head about is when this sentimentality re SJP started in the fan base.  Because it wasn’t there in 1996/97 - the support was pretty unified in wanting a move for the betterment of the club.

I've always thought it's because a lot people hit their formative years watching us be very good in a newly rebuilt stadium and grew that sort of Nintendo-esque lifelong attachment to it. Now a bunch of people in their 30/40s have strong emotions for the 36 and 52k versions of St. James'.

[GEFAFWISP]

Should add older generations don't seem as transfixed by the current incarnation of the ground either, bit anecdotal but certainly seems that way.

[Chris_R]

The logic of not wanting to build a new stadium because Spurs have shit owners who are just out to line their own pockets with minimal expenditure is an odd one.

 

The similar logic of "Well Liverpool are doing OK without a new stadium" is almost as odd, given Liverpool have a massive worldwide fanbase already.

 

Forest broke FFP to get where they are, and will probably fall away again soon enough. Just like Leicester did.

 

If you want to compete at the top CONSISTENTLY, you need top-level revenues. That's why Man U etc will always rise back to the top, irrespective of how they are today. Good or bad governance is temporary, as we ourselves know. We're doing great now, but we'll have a rough time at some point whether under Howe or someone else (Some people were calling for his head not long ago!) and without a consistent revenue stream we could completely unravel and struggle to get back anwyhere near to where we are now.

[STM]

I just hope they consider acoustics and originality in the design.

 

Don't give me your standard oval bowl bullshit. Give me a black and white wall that looks intimidating as fuck.

[cubaricho]

15 minutes ago, STM said:

I just hope they consider acoustics and originality in the design.

 

Don't give me your standard oval bowl bullshit. Give me a black and white wall that looks intimidating as fuck.

There’s a near-zero percent chance a new stadium will be some “standard oval bowl” or “flat pack” when it comes to how much money is going to get thrown at it. It’ll be the best stadium in the league for quite a while. 

[PauloGeordio]

2 minutes ago, cubaricho said:

There’s a near-zero percent chance a new stadium will be some “standard oval bowl” or “flat pack” when it comes to how much money is going to get thrown at it. It’ll be the best stadium in the league for quite a while. 

“Best in class”

[TheBrownBottle]

49 minutes ago, GEFAFWISP said:

I've always thought it's because a lot people hit their formative years watching us be very good in a newly rebuilt stadium and grew that sort of Nintendo-esque lifelong attachment to it. Now a bunch of people in their 30/40s have strong emotions for the 36 and 52k versions of St. James'.

You’re probably right, though I’m 42 and had a ST from 89 onwards and that era for me was the ultimate case of footballing blue-balls; a failure with some fun moments, but more than anything proof of what we could be even if we didn’t maximise what we could be (the Halls and Shepherds were self-serving).  All fart and nee shite.