St James' Park

[Stifler]

7 minutes ago, Doctor Zaius said:

People want this at Newcastle in expense of city centre pubs. Mental.

I don’t think they do.

You have to remember that Spurs’ stadium is a bit out from central London. It doesn’t have the amount of bars etc that SJP does. On top of this, if we get a say 75k seater stadium, you could have 20k people in the ground earlier than usual and after the match and still have the same amount of people flocking to the city centre.

 

Lastly, there is no reason why the club couldn’t team up with local businesses to have those kiosks ran by them. Get your burger from Meat:Stack, your pint from Anarchy etc all in the ground, both local businesses, and the club earn the money, and you ideally get food better than the overcooked burger Sodexo offer up.

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 09:04 by Stifler

[Lush Vlad]

6 minutes ago, Doctor Zaius said:

People want this at Newcastle in expense of city centre pubs. Mental.

 

 

 

 

You been to Spurs?  I wouldn't say the quantity, quality or locality (is that even a word)  of the pubs is even comparable.  It's a right shithole.  

[TBG]

We could always have 'The Black Garter at St James' Park brought to you by Trader Joe's'

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

38 minutes ago, Stifler said:

I don’t think they do.

You have to remember that Spurs’ stadium is a bit out from central London. It doesn’t have the amount of bars etc that SJP does. On top of this, if we get a say 75k seater stadium, you could have 20k people in the ground earlier than usual and after the match and still have the same amount of people flocking to the city centre.

 

Lastly, there is no reason why the club couldn’t team up with local businesses to have those kiosks ran by them. Get your burger from Meat:Stack, your pint from Anarchy etc all in the ground, both local businesses, and the club earn the money, and you ideally get food better than the overcooked burger Sodexo offer up.

 

 

 

It’s out of central London but it’s in a really busy area with lots of places to go around and on the route from whatever station you use. 
 

It’s not the nicest area and not comparable to Newcastle city centre. But it is Tottenham. 

[LFEE]

56 minutes ago, Doctor Zaius said:

People want this at Newcastle in expense of city centre pubs. Mental.

 

 

 

That I’m afraid to say is a load of rubbish. Spurs “new” ground is in exactly the same place as their “old” ground 

 

Id of given you or anyone else a pass if you debated ending up in West Ham’s situation.

 

Spurs fans are just unhappy with their team (again!) and are trying to encourage fans not to give the club their money and spend it elsewhere. Absolutely nothing to do with wanting their old ground back 

[Dr.Spaceman]

1 hour ago, Doctor Zaius said:

People want this at Newcastle in expense of city centre pubs. Mental.

 

 

 

 

Nobody I know wants that to completely take over the current matchday experience. It would just be nice to have it as an option instead of rushing straight for the metro and queuing for 20 mins or if we've only got 45 mins before the game but we know it takes about that to get served in some bars. This sort of thing wouldn't take much away from those who want to drink in other bars imo. Take the Bridge Hotel for example. The amount of times I've walked in there, stood for 15 minutes waiting to be served and then walked out because I'm still nowhere near... It's insane. Bars like them only have themselves to blame, extra staff could literally pay for themselves.

[Sima]

1 hour ago, Stifler said:

I don’t think they do.

You have to remember that Spurs’ stadium is a bit out from central London. It doesn’t have the amount of bars etc that SJP does. On top of this, if we get a say 75k seater stadium, you could have 20k people in the ground earlier than usual and after the match and still have the same amount of people flocking to the city centre.

 

Lastly, there is no reason why the club couldn’t team up with local businesses to have those kiosks ran by them. Get your burger from Meat:Stack, your pint from Anarchy etc all in the ground, both local businesses, and the club earn the money, and you ideally get food better than the overcooked burger Sodexo offer up.

 

 

 

 

On the last point, Only way I can see it working is if the club buys the stock to allow local business to cater inside the ground as it's a huge risk to the likes of Meat: Stack/Anarchy to have to provide for an unknown sales volume.

 

Which at that stage, the club will be able to get it cheaper from other companies that have far more production capacity.  The only 'local' business that immediately springs to mind that could accommodate such a risk is Greggs.

[Kid Icarus]

10 minutes ago, LFEE said:

That I’m afraid to say is a load of rubbish. Spurs “new” ground is in exactly the same place as their “old” ground 

Don't think the location stops an old stadium becoming a new one, mind. Presumably part of the point is that the new stadium has more pubs inside it than WHL had.

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 10:06 by Kid Icarus

[LFEE]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

Don't think the location stops an old stadium becoming a new one, mind. Presumably the point is that the new stadium has more pubs inside it than WHL had.

Thats not the point I’m making. If you read my post again. Spurs’s new ground has not stopped anyone going to the pubs they used to go to. West Ham’s did make it much harder.

 

So to use Spurs as bad example of what we’ll end up with if we did similar is rubbish.

[Stifler]

8 minutes ago, Sima said:

 

On the last point, Only way I can see it working is if the club buys the stock to allow local business to cater inside the ground as it's a huge risk to the likes of Meat: Stack/Anarchy to have to provide for an unknown sales volume.

 

Which at that stage, the club will be able to get it cheaper from other companies that have far more production capacity.  The only 'local' business that immediately springs to mind that could accommodate such a risk is Greggs.

The club already works with smaller local businesses with the Stack.

Both Spurs, and Man City do it, and I think Everton are wanting too as well.

Plenty of stadiums in the USA are able to do it as well.

It’s entirely possible.

[TheBrownBottle]

Most people who have their match day routines in terms of the pubs they drink in aren’t going to suddenly change those behaviours.  It’s new corporate and tourist punters who are more likely to hoy the wedge at a new stadium.

 

If I was still in Newcastle, I’d still be in The Three Bulls or upstairs in The Percy at the ‘Toon Disco’ post match.  In my younger days, everywhere from the Empress to The Vault to Idols have been matchday regulars.  Don’t see why any of that would change.  

[Doctor Zaius]

In posting that I'm not necessarily saying that we shouldn't move, but I don't like those who seem adamant that SJP (or a new stadium) should be the be and end all of the match day. 

 

Drink in the ground pre match, eat in the ground and then drink in the ground post match is valuable trade taken away from a city centre establishments that need it. 

 

I know there its each to their own, and we obviously do need better options in a new ground but every pint drank in the ground at the expense of a city centre pubs is a bad thing for the city imo, regardless of PSR. Everything just becomes that little bit more plastic and soulless. 

[Sima]

8 minutes ago, Stifler said:

The club already works with smaller local businesses with the Stack.

Both Spurs, and Man City do it, and I think Everton are wanting too as well.

Plenty of stadiums in the USA are able to do it as well.

It’s entirely possible.

 

Bit of a difference between one small kitchen in a container versus multiple kiosks across the stadium.

 

Unless you are talking about Meat: Stack only being available in one kiosk in the Gallowgate and one in, say, Level 7 and the same with Anarchy?

[Doctor Zaius]

9 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Most people who have their match day routines in terms of the pubs they drink in aren’t going to suddenly change those behaviours.  It’s new corporate and tourist punters who are more likely to hoy the wedge at a new stadium.

 

If I was still in Newcastle, I’d still be in The Three Bulls or upstairs in The Percy at the ‘Toon Disco’ post match.  In my younger days, everywhere from the Empress to The Vault to Idols have been matchday regulars.  Don’t see why any of that would change.  

 

I think it's easy to say that now with the stadium where it is, but it might be different depending if a new stadium is even slightly further out. 

 

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, Doctor Zaius said:

 

I think it's easy to say that now with the stadium where it is, but it might be different depending if a new stadium is even slightly further out. 

 

True, if it is considerably further.  Build it at Gosforth race course or something and that’s a problem for the city centre.  But if anyone has an issue walking an extra 100 metres, then they should probably knock the drinking on the head - those empty calories are making them so unfit that they really need to take a look at themselves.

 

I’m also a little unconvinced re the best for the city crack tbf - I’m not sure that pouring the money into the coffers of leisure conglomerates and breweries (pretty much none of which are locally based) is all that useful to the city.  Besides, every other city in the UK manages to have city centre pubs without a football stadium nearby.  I’m not advocating for a move further out, but I don’t think that the financial viability of the city’s watering holes shouldn’t feature on the club’s agenda. 

[LFEE]

1 minute ago, Doctor Zaius said:

In posting that I'm not necessarily saying that we shouldn't move, but I don't like those who seem adamant that SJP (or a new stadium) should be the be and end all of the match day. 

 

Drink in the ground pre match, eat in the ground and then drink in the ground post match is valuable trade taken away from a city centre establishments that need it. 

 

I know there its each to their own, and we obviously do need better options in a new ground but every pint drank in the ground at the expense of a city centre pubs is a bad thing for the city imo, regardless of PSR. Everything just becomes that little bit more plastic and soulless. 

Before I get too deep I’ll remind you and anyone reading that I’ve never bought anything at SJP on matchday in the 41 years of going. Not one penny 

 

I’ve never been someone who thinks alcohol goes hand in hand with the football experience. I’ve always believed it’s about being around your friends if you are fortunate enough to have some with a similar love for football.

 

I’ve never had a routine as I get bored with routine so what pubs or cafes I go into pre and post match varies. I’ve nothing against those who do have their routines. Most based on no mobile phones back in the day so you had to prearrange. I know and meet some who do.

 

Having said that if the prices and quality were good (Spurs charge less for alcohol than some not all local pubs) and my friends wanted to go in early (always thinks that helps the atmosphere with away games) or hang back to enjoy a good result with them  whilst transport cleared (buses to Gateshead home tend to be full for 45-60mins, particularly midweek with pub queues nearby the bus stop as @Dr.Spaceman pointed out not the greatest) then I’ll not have no problem simply because I believe my money will be used for the good of the club under this ownership. They however won’t force me to stay any longer that I’d want to nor will they force anyone else but if it benefits some and the club make some extra money from it so be it 🤷🏼‍♂️ 

 

Maybe Newcastle (& Gateshead!) would benefit on having a community vision for their city centres to flourish solely not based on pubs…

 

 

[Stifler]

18 minutes ago, Sima said:

Bit of a difference between one small kitchen in a container versus multiple kiosks across the stadium.

 

Unless you are talking about Meat: Stack only being available in one kiosk in the Gallowgate and one in, say, Level 7 and the same with Anarchy?

Yeah, that would be my idea.

You have a mix of different vendors.

The club will have statistics on what percentage of fans they have in the stadium buying food and such in anyway. It might take a few games to get it absolutely bang on in regards to stock levels etc, but it’s no more or less of a challenge than the club or a catering company doing it.

[Kid Icarus]

56 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Thats not the point I’m making. If you read my post again. Spurs’s new ground has not stopped anyone going to the pubs they used to go to. West Ham’s did make it much harder.

 

So to use Spurs as bad example of what we’ll end up with if we did similar is rubbish.

I read it perfectly fine LFEE. Obviously It hasn't stopped anyone from choosing, but the addition of bars in the stadium has still evidently had a direct impact on fans going to local pubs. If it was a rubbish point, there would be no one in the stadium bars, but there are.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Doesn’t seem to be a solution that achieves a better/nicer stadium but also nobody wants to spend any time there. 
 

The reason people don’t spend as much time and money in SJP is obviously because of the city centre location, but also because the offerings in the ground are so terrible. 
 

You can’t really aim to have such a bad fan experience that it supports local pubs. That’s just weird and could never be the aim for any stadium improvements.

 

FWIW I can imagine that people might meet some friends inside the ground for a quick drink when they won’t necessarily go the pub together. Both going to the match, just hang around a bit for a quick pint. 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 11:56 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Rich]

It’s also freezing cold and the TVs are shite. Hardly an inviting prospect versus having an extra one in the Beehive.

[Kid Icarus]

13 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

You can’t really aim to have such a bad fan experience that it supports local pubs. That’s just weird and could never be the aim for any stadium improvements.

 

It wouldn't be weird with the right framing and marketing spiel. You can easily repurpose 'bad' as bespoke and give it grassroots/supporting the community/harnessing our strengths style rationale.

 

Not that I think the club would do that anyway. What's depressing from my point of view is fans clamouring for it.

[LFEE]

2 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

I read it perfectly fine LFEE. Obviously It hasn't stopped anyone from choosing, but the addition of bars in the stadium has still evidently had a direct impact on fans going to local pubs. If it was a rubbish point, there would be no one in the stadium bars, but there are.

I disagree. The pubs are rammed solid pre and post match and SJP has bars inside and the club have built the Stack.

 

As for Spurs specifically reading the comments I did the other day from their fans similar to ourselves service and prices are poor but also they don’t have the amount of pubs we do.

 

I’ll repeat the Tweet is about not spending money in the ground as they don’t like Levy. Nothing at all to do about struggling local businesses and pubs 

[Kid Icarus]

10 minutes ago, LFEE said:

I disagree. The pubs are rammed solid pre and post match and SJP has bars inside and the club have built the Stack.

 

As for Spurs specifically reading the comments I did the other day from their fans similar to ourselves service and prices are poor but also they don’t have the amount of pubs we do.

 

I’ll repeat the Tweet is about not spending money in the ground as they don’t like Levy. Nothing at all to do about struggling local businesses and pubs 

 

I'm not refuting that like, as far as I was concerned the subject of the post was Doctor Z saying 'People want this at Newcastle in expense of city centre pubs. Mental.'

[TomYam]

Two points re the Spurs drama and a new stadium impacting Newcastle's hospitality industry.

Spurs, being a London club and a tourist beacon doubtless has 'customers' with slightly different tastes and requirements.  Do they have massage chairs available in row F? 

Second, if we were to move to a 72,000 capacity stadium that should mean 20,000 more mouths to feed and refresh. Even if those 20,000 somehow find a way to inhouse bacchanalian bliss, that leaves the remaining 52,000 to hit The Beehive, Clock and Garter.

[LFEE]

1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

I'm not refuting that like, as far as I was concerned the subject of the post was Doctor Z saying 'People want this at Newcastle in expense of city centre pubs. Mental.'

That’s why I said West Ham would’ve been a better example to use instead of Spurs. Regardless of facilities on offer at the ground it’s the big location change that effects the original pub routes as the footfall takes people elsewhere.
 

Anyway let’s see what is announced… 👍🏻

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 14:41 by LFEE