St James' Park

[AyeDubbleYoo]

33 minutes ago, geordie_b said:

That would be unreal

[Fenham Mag]

52 minutes ago, geordie_b said:

Would like to see how this would look aerially 

[Danh1]

53 minutes ago, geordie_b said:

Would be incredible 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Absolute best of both worlds if we get a modern stadium incorporating the traditional bits of Leazes. Guess it’s not the most likely option. 

[Turnbull2000]

Urgently need a major, positive announcement on this to help pick us all up after this season.

[duo]

48 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Absolute best of both worlds if we get a modern stadium incorporating the traditional bits of Leazes. Guess it’s not the most likely option. 

Aren't they houses though?

[TheBrownBottle]

3 hours ago, Keegans Export said:

There's a whole other block that is closer to the East Stand than Leazes Terrace is

 

 

 

Which is also grade listed (grade II).  Leazes Terrace was never the biggest obstacle to the east stand - the listed houses on Saint James St which practically touch the east stand are

 

https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1024765?section=official-list-entry

[TheBrownBottle]

3 hours ago, geordie_b said:

You are T Dan Smith and I claim my £5  

[Jackie Broon]

41 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Which is also grade listed (grade II).  Leazes Terrace was never the biggest obstacle to the east stand - the listed houses on Saint James St which practically touch the east stand are

 

https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1024765?section=official-list-entry

 

There is a massive difference between Grade I and Grade II in terms of significance though, only something like 2% of listed buildings are Grade I.

 

 

Edited May 19 by Jackie Broon

[TheBrownBottle]

5 hours ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

There is a massive difference between Grade I and Grade II in terms of significance though, only something like 2% of listed buildings are Grade I.

 

 

 

Agreed, the constraints on Grade I are significantly different from Grade II.  But a lot of folks hoping that this means an extension to SJP are barking up the wrong tree - buying Leazers Terrace doesn’t make it anymore likely.  What is now far more likely is a new stadium near the existing footprint

[Decky]

Murrayfield is 3 hours from SJP like. Never happening. 

[Whitley mag]

Nice images of Leazes Terrace and would be very unique, but agree with @TheBrownBottle this is with a view to a new stadium.

 

There’s NDA’s in place en masse at Newcastle CC regarding this and would point people to the below, which will be used to help push through the development.

 

Mayor Kim said: “Like many local people, I get frustrated about developments taking far too long to deliver which means we don’t fully feel the benefit of schemes as quickly as we should. This needs to change. The creation of our new Mayoral Development Zone will help to bring in major new investment and quicken development of local schemes so that we can get on with delivering our vision and bold plans to transform the North East.

“We want to boost jobs, attract new business and bring in major private sector investment to support the work we’re already doing to grow our high streets, business parks and our rural and coastal areas. We want to create better places for people to live and thrive, and this initiative will accelerate our ability to do this.

“I am confident the creation of the new Mayoral Development Zone will radically speed up the pace of development and can assure people that there will be real visible change in the coming years.”

[Dr.Spaceman]

35 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Agreed, the constraints on Grade I are significantly different from Grade II.  But a lot of folks hoping that this means an extension to SJP are barking up the wrong tree - buying Leazers Terrace doesn’t make it anymore likely.  What is now far more likely is a new stadium near the existing footprint

 

Sorry if I'm being a bit dense, why does buying Leazes Terrace mean a new stadium is more likely?

[Nucasol]

1 minute ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Sorry if I'm being a bit dense, why does buying Leazes Terrace mean a new stadium is more likely?

Removal of local residents being objectors if the club is now the “local resident” in LT. 

[bobbydazzla]

27 minutes ago, Decky said:

Murrayfield is 3 hours from SJP like. Never happening. 

Not disagreeing, because I don’t think it’s happening either.

 

But if we needed a neutral 52,000+ stadium to play in for a year or two, then it’s the best option. 

[bobbydazzla]

10 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Sorry if I'm being a bit dense, why does buying Leazes Terrace mean a new stadium is more likely?

You want to build a new house and there is a risk the neighbours of the plot you want to build on might object to your plans. 
 

So you buy the neighbouring houses.

 

Cogito ergo sum, no objections to your plans to build the new house. 

 

 

Edited May 20 by bobbydazzla

[TheBrownBottle]

21 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Sorry if I'm being a bit dense, why does buying Leazes Terrace mean a new stadium is more likely?

Per Nucasol’s & Bobby’s posts above 

 

 

Edited May 20 by TheBrownBottle

[Decky]

26 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Not disagreeing, because I don’t think it’s happening either.

 

But if we needed a neutral 52,000+ stadium to play in for a year or two, then it’s the best option. 

 

I think they'll use SJP for most if not all of the build if it's a new stadium. I really can't see them going to Edinburgh though either way. More chance of them playing in somewhere like Boro. 

 

 

Edited May 20 by Decky

[bobbydazzla]

1 minute ago, Decky said:

 

I think they'll use SJP for most if not all of the build if it's a new stadium. I really can't see them going to Edinburgh though either way. More chance of them playing in somewhere like Boro. 

 

 

 

One of the benefits of a new build is we won’t have to find anywhere else to play and can keep the 52,000 match day revenue ticking in every other week. 
 

The logistical hassle of being without a stadium, or the financial hassle of having massively reduced capacity for a few years will be a factor in decision making, I’m sure.

[Dr.Spaceman]

18 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Per Nucasol’s & Bobby’s posts above 

 

 

 

 

Yeah but like you said, there's still St James' place which is closer. Surely this doesn't really change anything unless we're looking to purchase those buildings (or already have the green light from the owners)

[bobbydazzla]

8 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Yeah but like you said, there's still St James' place which is closer. Surely this doesn't really change anything unless we're looking to purchase those buildings (or already have the green light from the owners)

St James Street is south of Leazers Terrace, so if we’re building in the Leazers Park area then SJS is slightly further away from the new site than LT.

 

The west facing flats at the north end of Leazers Terrace, that we’ve just bought, can actually look directly into the park from their windows. St James Street doesn’t have a view of the park.

 

 

Edited May 20 by bobbydazzla

[bobbydazzla]

@Dr.Spaceman

 

[TheBrownBottle]

13 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Yeah but like you said, there's still St James' place which is closer. Surely this doesn't really change anything unless we're looking to purchase those buildings (or already have the green light from the owners)

Saint James’ Place might be about to get attractive park views - and Leazes Terrace might be about to not get those views.

 

Saint James’ Place would need to be demolished to extend the East Stand - that’s very unlikely to be approved.  And the Gallowgate is pretty much unextendable due to the Metro station.  If you were looking to build near SJP and on Leazes Park, this is exactly the sort of purchase you’d make. 

[RS]

At least there’ll be no significant change in atmosphere when they turf the pensioners out of the East stand while they develop it. I assume they’ll finish the Gallowgate before they start on the East. 

[TheBrownBottle]

27 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Yeah but like you said, there's still St James' place which is closer. Surely this doesn't really change anything unless we're looking to purchase those buildings (or already have the green light from the owners)

Just to follow up - Saint James’ Street blocks the East Stand ever being extended (below):

 

Additionally, there are regs re building in city centres and returning green space.  So an obvious solution would be the below - you demolish SJP in two stages; first, you construct part of a new stadium (area in red); then you demolish SJP, returning most of it to green space (green area), then you build the remaining part of the new stadium on the footprint of the current Leazes End.  This reduces the amount of green land you’d need to restore - and of course no-one in Saint James’ Place will complain, they’ve now got light and a lovely park.  The residents of Leazers Terrace however may not be so happy - they’ll all lose their park views.   Additionally, the owners of Leazers Terrace could well spend time whining about loud and dirty construction works going on for two years in front of the property.  They can’t do that if you buy it (childlike squiggles below - hey, I’m a QS not a design engineer / architect)

 

 

 

Edited May 20 by TheBrownBottle