St James' Park

[TRon]

8 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

I'd actually say the opposite. Probably not an exaggeration to say a brand new 70/75k stadium could potentially double our matchday revenue with the extra capacity and all the extra corporate offerings it could bring. That wouldn't massively help us if PSR rules continue.

 

Tbh I'm coming more and more to the opinion that SJP isn't really fit for purpose anyway as a modern footballing venue. The design is poor, it looks tired and it is too small.

 

For the last quarter of a century our average gate is around 50k and for a lot of that time we've been utterly shite, even a 2nd tier team for 2 of those years.

 

We need something bigger and we need something better, but it needs to be in the city centre.

 

I agree with you, I would love for us to have a 70k+ stadium, if only so I could get back in on a regular basis. But with the current FFP/PSR rules I am not convinced we would be able to compete on a like for like basis with the cartel clubs. They have already built a global fanbase through success, and that comes with buying the best players. How much incentive is there for any owners to spend over a billion on a new stadium if they look on it as an investment? How long would it take to pay back into profits if we are not in the CL? It would have to be a pretty long term thing I would have thought, would any owner stick around for that unless we were allowed to go for gold?

 

 

 

 

[Wallsendmag]

Just now, TRon said:

 

I agree with you, I would love for us to have a 70k+ stadium, if only so I could get back in on a regular basis. But with the current FFP/PSR rules I am not convinced we would be able to compete on a like for like basis with the cartel clubs. They have already built a global fanbase through success, and that comes with buying the best players. How much incentive is there for any owners to spend over a billion on a new stadium if they look on it as an investment? How long would it take to pay back into profits if we are not in the CL? It would have to be a pretty long term thing I would have thought, would any owner stick around for that unless we were allowed to go for gold?

 

 

 

 

 

Can totally see that POV as well tbf. We could easily double our revenue with a new stadium but that guarantees nothing if the restrictions are still in place. Using Spurs was a good example. However the more you can spend means you do increase your chances of success.

 

My view was based as much on that we are getting left behind by staying at an ever more outdated SJP which means we can't at least maximise our potential.

 

We'll have a near identical capacity to Everton next season. It'll be interesting to compare how much money BM generates for them compared to what SJP does for us given that both stadiums will be sold out for every game.

[Cookie1892]

10 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

You’d have to give some details tbf - but I’m not sure why ex-servicemen would be treated any different from any other punter

Management told them to remove some flags and not put anymore out as the amount of flags with poppies on and service flags was and i quote 'taking the piss'

 

Yet they used them in their social media pics and advertising on saturday

[LFEE]

12 hours ago, Abacus said:

Well I think the question was more about a small relocation rather than a complete move to somewhere else. Which I'm ok with.

 

Thing is, I remember before even going to games and feeling the excitement of that in town, wandering around the city and hearing the roar when we scored. Knowing if we'd won or not, but asking the score anyway.

 

I don't think you can replicate that anywhere else - it made me a lifelong fan and so my first steps into SJP felt like I was stepping into the shoes of people that had lived their whole lives that way. It's sort of what you buy into, come grim times or joy.

 

But then, for the city it is the heartbeat of a whole week.

 

Edit, it's what makes SJP special, it's why it has to keep being bang in the city centre, it's why we go. 

 

And I have probably misunderstood the question now 

 

 

 

I’ll simplify it but it’s one I’ve asked many times and rarely get an answer.

 

If you are a longstanding ST holder that attends regularly would you still be against moving from the current site if it meant you no longer had a ST and you’d have to ballot like those who don’t have one or even no option to attend due to price hikes and therefore watch on TV?

[TRon]

1 hour ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Can totally see that POV as well tbf. We could easily double our revenue with a new stadium but that guarantees nothing if the restrictions are still in place. Using Spurs was a good example. However the more you can spend means you do increase your chances of success.

 

My view was based as much on that we are getting left behind by staying at an ever more outdated SJP which means we can't at least maximise our potential.

 

We'll have a near identical capacity to Everton next season. It'll be interesting to compare how much money BM generates for them compared to what SJP does for us given that both stadiums will be sold out for every game.

 

Don't get me wrong, if PIF want to go ahead with a brand new stadium regardless of our spending restrictions, I'll be delighted. It's not my money.

 

Even so, our best bet is that PSR is brought crashing down. If that happens then I think the sky is the limit, because I am convinced this is a vanity project first and foremost, and if they are allowed to build a winning side, they will throw everything at it.

[PopeandGlory]

3 hours ago, TRon said:

 

I agree with you, I would love for us to have a 70k+ stadium, if only so I could get back in on a regular basis. But with the current FFP/PSR rules I am not convinced we would be able to compete on a like for like basis with the cartel clubs. They have already built a global fanbase through success, and that comes with buying the best players. How much incentive is there for any owners to spend over a billion on a new stadium if they look on it as an investment? How long would it take to pay back into profits if we are not in the CL? It would have to be a pretty long term thing I would have thought, would any owner stick around for that unless we were allowed to go for gold?

 

 

 

 

 

Their investment has already increased in value. If they built a new stadium, it’d increase even more. 

 

Tottenham are estimated to be worth £2.6bn currently. Before the new stadium? £1bn.

 

Of course there is inflation and everything else at play but during that time Tottenham haven’t really been successful at all. 
 

If we had a new stadium and were regularly competing in the Champions League, regardless of winning anything and “going for gold”, PIF won’t need to worry too much about their investment.

 

In terms of the general conversation, I’d move from SJP in a heartbeat but the location must be right. If they can find a way to nudge us into Leazes Park with a 70k stadium, I don’t see how anyone could have any complaints to be honest.

 

Football is no longer about stadiums with character, culture etc. if we’re too sentimental we’ll never move forward. 

[gjohnson]

I was in favour of renovating the existing stadium, but have come to terms that even it's most modern sections are now almost relics not far from 30 Yr old. 

 

Upgrading the existing stadium would be far more than a whole new one, and wouldn't necessarily have the disruption of a temporary loss in capacity or having to groundsheet with the local pond water.

 

Yes it's currently a great location but an extra 10-15min walk/1 extra metro stop isn't going to stop people going unless their sole reason is to drink themselves stupid before and after a match.

 

Yes there might be some reduced footfall in bars and food joints but unless it's somewhere massively out of town...those are still places people will go. Would probably spell death for the Strawberry...which to be fair is a hole that no-one would go near if it wasn't right outside

[TomYam]

14 hours ago, nufcjb said:

Would people still say Leazes Park or Castle Leazes bang in the city centre?

I wouldn't say St.James's Park is 'bang in the city centre'. It's in the centre though. Same with Castle Leazes. The Arena is also in the centre - a woefully undeveloped area in the centre.

 

The historical centre is the site of castle/St.Nicholas Cathedral although the modern centre is probably Earl Grey monument. Broadly, anywhere within a km of these locations would be the centre.

[Stifler]

Yeah, Leazes Park/Castle Leazes isn’t going to change anyone’s pre-match plan.

 

The good thing is that it will almost certainly lead to Barrack Road gaining some regeneration. Those flats opposite Leazes Park will come down, or be totally refurbished.

I don’t think the Strawberry will see a decrease in math going fans heading to it, although so do agree that it’s a dive that wouldn’t have survived so long if it was opposite the Gallowgate end.

[timeEd32]

16 minutes ago, PopeandGlory said:

Football is no longer about stadiums with character, culture etc. if we’re too sentimental we’ll never move forward. 

 

Some have argued here that SJP doesn't really have any character to lose. Personally I love it, but it also admittedly does not have the character of some of Newcastle's city center. What is inarguable though, whether you like it or not, is that it's unique. And that seems like one of the biggest fears some have -- that a new stadium is going to be a soulless bowl.

 

It doesn't have to be that way though. I'm guessing if a promise was made that a new build in Leazes Park would maintain some distinctive features, inside or out, then there'd be a lot more support for the idea.

[Abacus]

1 hour ago, LFEE said:

I’ll simplify it but it’s one I’ve asked many times and rarely get an answer.

 

If you are a longstanding ST holder that attends regularly would you still be against moving from the current site if it meant you no longer had a ST and you’d have to ballot like those who don’t have one or even no option to attend due to price hikes and therefore watch on TV?

OK. I'm no longer a long-standing season ticket holder, I gave it up after many years during Benitez's last season. So, to be clear, I'm not who you're asking.

 

I gave mine up because I thought our loyalty was being abused and I also no longer enjoyed going. I do know some longer standing season ticket holders, who still stayed during that period because of their seats etc. We fell out a bit over that 

 

Anyway, I think the question, and please correct me if I'm wrong on what you're asking, is that if we moved stadium for the good of the team would you be happy to lose your seat and take pot luck on getting a ticket in the future. And the answer to that would probably be no.

 

Unless I have I gotten the question wrong.

[Iwantcurlyhair2]

Sorry, this may be unpopular, but I would rather stay put and keep my season ticket. I did nearly give it up in the dark days but it was a chance to spend time with my daughter, now 25, that I would have lost it I'd gave them up. Now my whole life revolves around the club and love every minute of it. It's hypothetical because it won't happen but do hope the guys who gave them up during the last regime have first option. However anyone who thinks Eddie should leave should be banned from applying. Social media and forum posts should be historically checked and a big black mark should be put against all none Howe believers, even if there are empty seats.

[LFEE]

11 minutes ago, Abacus said:

OK. I'm no longer a long-standing season ticket holder, I gave it up after many years during Benitez's last season. So, to be clear, I'm not who you're asking.

 

I gave mine up because I thought our loyalty was being abused and I also no longer enjoyed going. I do know some longer standing season ticket holders, who still stayed during that period because of their seats etc. We fell out a bit over that 

 

Anyway, I think the question, and please correct me if I'm wrong on what you're asking, is that if we moved stadium for the good of the team would you be happy to lose your seat and take pot luck on getting a ticket in the future. And the answer to that would probably be no.

 

Unless I have I gotten the question wrong.

No the other way round You’d keep your seat if we moved whilst helping the club grow. You’d lose your seat if we stayed and ticket prices would massively increase.

[Sima]

I’m pretty sure existing ST holders would be sorted out first in the event of any move like.

 

Daft to suggest otherwise.

[Abacus]

4 minutes ago, LFEE said:

No the other way round You’d keep your seat if we moved whilst helping the club grow. You’d lose your seat if we stayed and ticket prices would massively increase.

Oh right, that's why I'm the wrong person to ask then  

[LFEE]

2 minutes ago, Sima said:

I’m pretty sure existing ST holders would be sorted out first in the event of any move like.

 

Daft to suggest otherwise.

Thats not the question I’m posing though. Re-read.

 

 

[mattypnufc]

7 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Thats not the question I’m posing though. Re-read.

 

 

I've read it a few times and I know what your getting at, although it doesn't make sense the way you've tried to put your point across.  

 

• Essentially, imagine you are a Season Ticket holder in the current SJP.  Then you weren't (regardless of reasons) and had to apply to every game in a ballot, or refresh the fuck on 'sale' day to get a ticket. 
• Or, we relocate to a new Stadium, your season ticket was in place, and those who aren't currently STH who'd like to be, get one, and those casual fans/day trippers, get the opportunity of ballots/sales.

Is this right?

 

[Sima]

15 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Thats not the question I’m posing though. Re-read.

 

 

Wasn’t responding to you.

[Hovagod]

1 hour ago, Sima said:

I’m pretty sure existing ST holders would be sorted out first in the event of any move like.

 

Daft to suggest otherwise.

They weren’t for a cup final

[FloydianMag]

https://x.com/msidouglas/status/1854201770861334869?s=61&t=Yt8DTJJ-7Jh_ndgpdGSFKQ

[Robbo2]

Collaboration with Nexus  Replacement turnstiles in operation, Metro apologises

[Stifler]

Aye, I read that article. It goes against a lot of what he’s previously said, and he kind of backtracks on the article itself towards the end.

To sum it up, he simply says the club haven’t been in touch with Nexus, a structural engineer i got in touch with says building over it is possible.

The club have told people working on the stadium project that there is no limit to the budget.

[Superior Acuña]

I reckon I'd probably consider the Arena site in the 'city centre' or 'town' (terms I'd use pretty interchangeably), though right on the edge of it. If I went there regularly i.e. for the match it'd become more consciously part of my city centre. Anything really adjacent to the main 7 bridges on the Newcastle side.

 

 

Edited 9 hours ago by Superior Acuña

[Whitley mag]

All well and good but we aren’t just expanding the Gallowgate and being left with the East Stand in it’s current guise.

 

 

[Scoot]

3 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

All well and good but we aren’t just expanding the Gallowgate and being left with the East Stand in it’s current guise.

 

 

 

It's a new stadium all the way. They aren't spending neck end of a billion quid on 10k more seats. They want a new stadium with more commercial income.