St James' Park

[Tross]

37 minutes ago, Ikon said:

Not sure who said it, might have been that Borson guy or someone similar.

 

Think he said that Spurs new stadium costs them an extra 25m/year, but the new stadium itself and all the commercial deals and such resulted in their revenue going up by a 100m/year because of it. 

 

How's it worked out for Spurs so far?

[Ikon]

5 minutes ago, Tross said:

 

How's it worked out for Spurs so far?

What do you mean? Financially they could spend much more than they have before breaching PSR. 

[Tross]

1 minute ago, Ikon said:

What do you mean? Financially they could spend much more than they have before breaching PSR. 

 

I mean we keep getting compared to spurs and how we need this super stadia to compete, they have one and have qualified for the champions league once since it opened in 2019. So have we. 

[LFEE]

52 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Those figures go up vs our existing figures, obviously.

 

When the context is that we're competing with 6 other clubs in terms of players we can attract, wages and fees we can pay, their commericial incomes outstrip ours by around 600%, and make up nearly 50% of their overall revenue, I'm not sure why the first port of call is to get rid of one of the best and most unique things about the club, essentially ask for the club we support to charge us even more, make up a matchday revenue gap of 250% at best, and that will still keep us in a position where commercial revenue remains unaffected and way behind. We're selling a lie to ourselves AFAIC.  

 

 

 

 

 

Because it’s not the best thing about us (our potential size of fanbase that is currently locked out is) and the only slight unique thing about it is it’s location which we are all arguing on the basis it’s moving a few hundred yards or at most less than a mile to the arena.

 

I think the only one telling lies here is you to yourself.

 

At a very very very basic level. I come to you for advertisement and sponsorship. I can either offer you exposure to the same set of people 20 times a year or 50% more people 20 times a year and a whole different audience another 20 times on top per year. Which one is going to get me the better deal from you? 
 

You are talking absolute nonsense I’m afraid.

 

 

[sushimonster85]

8 minutes ago, Tross said:

 

How's it worked out for Spurs so far?

 

By all accounts pretty great in terms of the money the generate on match days, and can therefore spend in transfer windows. If you want to talk about the choices they make in terms of signing players and managers that's a different, unrelated, conversation.

[Ikon]

Just now, Tross said:

 

I mean we keep getting compared to spurs and how we need this super stadia to compete, they have one and have qualified for the champions league once since it opened in 2019. So have we. 

Are you being serious   Them not doing very well lately means that we shouldn’t look to get our revenue up and aim to become more powerful? 

[bobbydazzla]

20 minutes ago, Tross said:

 

How's it worked out for Spurs so far?

 

In terms of the financials related to their new stadium:

 

Tottenham Hotspur stadium is a money-printing machine.

The numbers released by Tottenham finally shows the financial power of the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium at something closer to the stadium’s full financial capability, a phenomenon that has been depressed and delayed due to the COVID-19 pandemic. Matchday receipt income went up from £106.1m in 2022 to £117.6m in 2023, while commercial revenue, which would include non-football events like concerts, non-football sporting events, and other activities, leaped from £183.5m to £227.7m. With Tottenham having already appealed to Haringey Council to increase the number of non-football events its allowed to host for next year, that number is expected to go up significantly in the future.

Tottenham Hotspur Stadium is now a London destination for not only football, but NFL, boxing, concerts, rugby, and other activities. People love to go there, and they spend a lot of time and money inside the stadium. In short, the stadium generates TONS of revenue, both on and off matchday — and that money gets reinvested into the club in a virtuous cycle.

 

As a comparison in their last year at White Hart Line they brought in £45m in match day revenue vs the £117.6m for 2023.

 

Whereas their on field issues are a result of them having an absolute helmet in charge of the club. As an example they have the lowest wages to turnover ratio in the Premier League, which is ridiculous for a club that has CL aspirations

 

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by bobbydazzla

[LFEE]

3 minutes ago, Tross said:

 

I mean we keep getting compared to spurs and how we need this super stadia to compete, they have one and have qualified for the champions league once since it opened in 2019. So have we. 

 Look at it from the other way. If they hadn’t of changed stadium and ran themselves the same way they’d be looking to be below us West Ham and Villa and soon to be Everton on a regular basis.

 

The fact they’ve won nothing is irrelevant. They are in a better position that they could win something.

[Tross]

2 minutes ago, LFEE said:

 Look at it from the other way. If they hadn’t of changed stadium and ran themselves the same way they’d be looking to be below us West Ham and Villa and soon to be Everton on a regular basis.

 

 

Nah we don't know if that would've happened at all.

 

I just don't want to risk losing our identity for a soulless bowl. If we can stick an extra 6/8K on the Gallowgate that'd be champion. 

[sushimonster85]

2 minutes ago, Tross said:

If we can stick an extra 6/8K on the Gallowgate that'd be champion. 

 

Problem is is this wouldn't really solve anything for anyone. That's not a big enough increase to satiate the current demand. And only extending the Gallowgate wouldn't let them do what they'd need to in terms of corperate. I would share your concerns about some random bowl 5-10 miles outside the city. But I honestly that's not going to happen. Anywhere inside the city, especially Leazes Park and I'd say there's no real risk to any sort of 'identity' loss. 

[Kid Icarus]

10 minutes ago, LFEE said:

Because it’s not the best thing about us (our potential size of fanbase that is currently locked out is) and the only slight unique thing about it is it’s location which we are all arguing on the basis it’s moving a few hundred yards or at most less than a mile to the arena.

 

I think the only one telling lies here is you to yourself.

 

At a very very very basic level. I come to you for advertisement and sponsorship. I can either offer you exposure to the same set of people 20 times a year or 50% more people 20 times a year and a whole different audience another 20 times on top per year. Which one is going to get me the better deal from you? 
 

You are talking absolute nonsense I’m afraid.

 

 

 

Calm down LFEE, Jesus 

 

You're asking a basic question about advertising and sponsorship based on stadium attendance, but that's chicken feed. The reality is that the overwhelming majority of the eyes on those things will be watching it around the world and the income is based on that and how much further exposure there is to that through the Champsions League and so on, not the amount of people in the stadium. 

[Wallsendmag]

25 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

And it def wasn't that they were talking about doubling matchday revenue, as opposed to total revenue?

 

I wasn't there so can't comment on exactly what I was said. A quick Google search just says that they said it would 'double revenue" so who knows.

 

For me as a former ST holder, and now member, if they built a new stadium in Leazes Park or Castle Leazes that had 20k more seats than SJP, even allowing for 5k of those being corporate, that gives me (along with 1000s of others) a far better opportunity to watch my team, and as vital as the extra revenue is in this day and age, that's what it's really about for me if I'm being truly honest.

 

As big as football is these days, it doesn't exist without the supporters.

[Wallsendmag]

7 minutes ago, Tross said:

 

Nah we don't know if that would've happened at all.

 

I just don't want to risk losing our identity for a soulless bowl. If we can stick an extra 6/8K on the Gallowgate that'd be champion. 

 

I just don't see how PIF could possibly think of that as a viable solution for them. The costs would be ridiculous, given the challenges they'd need to overcome, and from their POV, spending all that money to create 6/8k of what would have to be the cheapest seats in the house makes literally zero sense.

[Kid Icarus]

4 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

I wasn't there so can't comment on exactly what I was said. A quick Google search just says that they said it would 'double revenue" so who knows.

 

For me as a former ST holder, and now member, if they built a new stadium in Leazes Park or Castle Leazes that had 20k more seats than SJP, even allowing for 5k of those being corporate, that gives me (along with 1000s of others) a far better opportunity to watch my team, and as vital as the extra revenue is in this day and age, that's what it's really about for me if I'm being truly honest.

 

As big as football is these days, it doesn't exist without the supporters.

 

Yeah, I don't think there's any argument against people simply wanting to get it in like

[manorpark]

20 minutes ago, Tross said:

 

Nah we don't know if that would've happened at all.

 

I just don't want to risk losing our identity for a soulless bowl. If we can stick an extra 6/8K on the Gallowgate that'd be champion. 

 

That would be a complete 100% waste of time and money, for NO gain whatsoever.

[OverThere]

31 minutes ago, Tross said:

 

Nah we don't know if that would've happened at all.

 

I just don't want to risk losing our identity for a soulless bowl. If we can stick an extra 6/8K on the Gallowgate that'd be champion. 

FYI the stadium now is totally different to before 1995. So in terms of identity that is the last 30 years you mean. Before that there was a completely different identity.

 

In terms of soulless bowl, you have no idea what's even being proposed so that's a stretch.

 

[Keegans Export]

24 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Calm down LFEE, Jesus 

 

You're asking a basic question about advertising and sponsorship based on stadium attendance, but that's chicken feed. The reality is that the overwhelming majority of the eyes on those things will be watching it around the world and the income is based on that and how much further exposure there is to that through the Champsions League and so on, not the amount of people in the stadium. 

But to consistently qualify for (and be successful in) the Champions League we're going to need a way of investing in the playing squad without having to regularly sell our best players.

 

The proposed doubling of matchday income of £30-40m/year from a new venue could help us achieve that, certainly more than the fabled "Official Tractor partner" sponsorships that are yet to materialise.

[Abacus]

34 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Calm down LFEE, Jesus 

 

You're asking a basic question about advertising and sponsorship based on stadium attendance, but that's chicken feed. The reality is that the overwhelming majority of the eyes on those things will be watching it around the world and the income is based on that and how much further exposure there is to that through the Champsions League and so on, not the amount of people in the stadium. 

 

I think if you're looking at a stadium sponsorship alone, say, it's going to be far easier to sponsor a massively impressive new stadium which could also be beamed over the world for other sporting and music events.

 

As opposed to even an impressively revamped St James's - don't think a lot would be happy about renaming it either come to that and, if not, I don't think you'd get the same sponsorship for, say, a partial renaming.

 

Much as I love the place, it has been rebuilt like Trigger's broom as others have pointed out - it's not a museum. I was initially in favour of staying, but now I'm personally won over to going, with various caveats about where.

 

No, it's not all just about money nor should it be though I realise this is where the debate goes, but we've probably outgrown the current site even just based on fan attendances.

[cubaricho]

1 hour ago, Tross said:

 

How's it worked out for Spurs so far?

You’re such a simpleton.  

[OpenC]

If only there was a high flying club in the premier league, maybe second or thereabouts, that hadn't sold its soul for corporate glory to demonstrate that it's still possible to football your way to success in 2025

 

Less than a decade ago we used to vilify and mock Mike Ashley for wanting us to be balance sheet champions and now we're all desperate to be balance sheet champions  football is so shit now, man

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by OpenC

[bobbydazzla]

6 minutes ago, OpenC said:

If only there was a high flying club in the premier league, maybe second or thereabouts, that hadn't sold its soul for corporate glory to demonstrate that it's still possible to football your way to success in 2025

 

That'll be the same club that had a points deduction for overspending and as a result survived relegation on the final day by the skin of their teeth. Amirite ?

 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by bobbydazzla

[OpenC]

Just now, bobbydazzla said:

 

That'll be the same club that had a points deduction for overspending and as a result survived relegation by the skin of their teeth. Amirite ?

 

 

That's them

[Jackie Broon]

4 minutes ago, OpenC said:

If only there was a high flying club in the premier league, maybe second or thereabouts, that hadn't sold its soul for corporate glory to demonstrate that it's still possible to football your way to success in 2025

 

And just look at the long term success of that other midlands based club that footballed its way to brief success.

[MagCA]

Aren't Forest also in the midst of a potential stadium move?

 

Maybe, maybe not. Hard to tell if the freehold issue was sorted but this is from May: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5477192/2024/05/09/nottingham-forest-city-ground-new-stadium/

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by MagCA

[OpenC]

Seriously a world where people think that it's fair enough that footballing success should be rewarded with punishments and points deductions if the teams involved don't get with the programme  a team that overspent but is currently beating every fucker with a brilliantly coached and motivated Chris Wood and Anthony Elanga, with zero disrespect intended to either of them

 

14 minutes ago, OpenC said:

football is so shit now, man

 

 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by OpenC