St James' Park

[KingArthur]

15 minutes ago, trx345 said:

Does it have a match-viewing Sauna like Fulham built?

 

 

Really? A real sauna?

[Steve Charlton]

Whens the chairman due in town next,Not seen him for a while

[Stifler]

24 minutes ago, duo said:

Meanwhile in PIF headquarters 

You do realise that it’s taken about 10 years for Crystal Palace to get this far and the plans have been watered down since the initial announcement don’t you?

 

 

Edited January 9 by Stifler

[duo]

They're not backed financially by the sovereign wealth fund. Look can understand the stadium taking a bit of time but no excuse for the training ground 

[trx345]

8 minutes ago, KingArthur said:

Really? A real sauna?

 

Fulham spent 4 years building a new stand so they could sell corporate tickets, and justify selling a 4 course meal at £180 without seeing a ball kicked.

 

[bobbydazzla]

If St James' Park was on a barren industrial wasteland nowhere near civilisation, like Elland Road is, then I'm sure we'd have had a bigger stadium designed, approved, built and opened by now.

 

But we're in the city centre. With no easy places to build nearby. And nowhere in the region to play games if we did stay put and do a massive renovation. Nevermind the task of relocating Leazers Terrace brick by brick.

 

Are the "get a move on PIF, others are going faster than us" posters also thinking we should definitely move to an out of town location, aye ?

 

Lads, compare apples with apples. And we've got a very unique apple that most people refuse to give up.

 

Even the prospect of going to somewhere very close to SJP, such as the Town Moor, has people shitting in their undies about NUFC losing its identity and how punters will almost certainly die from exhaustion on the trek up there to watch matches.

 

 

 

Edited January 9 by bobbydazzla

[Stifler]

1 hour ago, duo said:

They're not backed financially by the sovereign wealth fund. Look can understand the stadium taking a bit of time but no excuse for the training ground 

It’s took 10 years to get this far. They are still years away from competing it.

[Stifler]

1 hour ago, bobbydazzla said:

If St James' Park was on a barren industrial wasteland nowhere near civilisation, like Elland Road is, then I'm sure we'd have had a bigger stadium designed, approved, built and opened by now.

 

But we're in the city centre. With no easy places to build nearby. And nowhere in the region to play games if we did stay put and do a massive renovation. Nevermind the task of relocating Leazers Terrace brick by brick.

 

Are the "get a move on PIF, others are going faster than us" posters also thinking we should definitely move to an out of town location, aye ?

 

Lads, compare apples with apples. And we've got a very unique apple that most people refuse to give up.

 

Even the prospect of going to somewhere very close to SJP, such as the Town Moor, has people shitting in their undies about NUFC losing its identity and how punters will almost certainly die from exhaustion on the trek up there to watch matches.

This is it.

 

If the former brewery site was still sitting empty when the takeover was completed, then we’d probably be looking at either our final or penultimate season at SJP right now. It’s not though, and unless you are happy playing at Team Valley, Seaton Burn, Kingston Park, or Silverlink, then it’s not going to quick and easy to build and move into a new stadium.

 

I get the frustration, but would you be happy rushing it and getting a stadium like Everton’s or Arsenals? Or would you rather wait a year or so and get the best possible stadium we can and not be prevented from doing so by Dotty and her friends?

[500bhp]

I've mentioned this before but we are an investment with an element of sports washing, not a vanity project like PSG, Man City or Chelsea under the Russian. Any major expenditure on capital projects such as a new stadium costing billions or hundreds of millions on expanding SJP needs to meet all the criteria of the PIF board. They'll need to see a high double digits return on that level of investment, I'm guessing. Plus they'll have loads of other metrics that need to be met before that level of expenditure is approved. 

 

There will be an exit strategy for selling us and realising a substantial profit. If the £1.5bn(?) stadium in the poorest region in England does not deliver that, then in my view we will not get a new stadium. I think we'll see a SJP expansion to about 60k if the numbers add up. If not, probably a refit of SJP with people like me who are near the halfway line in East Stand being moved to L7 for corporates paying £200 a game! 

 

Saying all that, there's no excuses for how long its taking to get a new training site identified and started. 

[Turnbull2000]

4 minutes ago, 500bhp said:

I've mentioned this before but we are an investment with an element of sports washing, not a vanity project like PSG, Man City or Chelsea under the Russian. Any major expenditure on capital projects such as a new stadium costing billions or hundreds of millions on expanding SJP needs to meet all the criteria of the PIF board. They'll need to see a high double digits return on that level of investment, I'm guessing. Plus they'll have loads of other metrics that need to be met before that level of expenditure is approved. 

 

There will be an exit strategy for selling us and realising a substantial profit. If the £1.5bn(?) stadium in the poorest region in England does not deliver that, then in my view we will not get a new stadium. I think we'll see a SJP expansion to about 60k if the numbers add up. If not, probably a refit of SJP with people like me who are near the halfway line in East Stand being moved to L7 for corporates paying £200 a game! 

 

Saying all that, there's no excuses for how long its taking to get a new training site identified and started. 

 

Wasn't it hinted at that the ROI for an expansion is also quite poor? It is started to feel like we'll just see our existing ground tarted up, but they're hesitant to admit to it.

[El Prontonise]

2 hours ago, trx345 said:

 

Fulham spent 4 years building a new stand so they could sell corporate tickets, and justify selling a 4 course meal at £180 without seeing a ball kicked.

 

 

That should've been done in 18 months mind, the contractor for it went bust which caused loads of issues.

[The Prophet]

8 minutes ago, 500bhp said:

I've mentioned this before but we are an investment with an element of sports washing, not a vanity project like PSG, Man City or Chelsea under the Russian. Any major expenditure on capital projects such as a new stadium costing billions or hundreds of millions on expanding SJP needs to meet all the criteria of the PIF board. They'll need to see a high double digits return on that level of investment, I'm guessing. Plus they'll have loads of other metrics that need to be met before that level of expenditure is approved. 

 

There will be an exit strategy for selling us and realising a substantial profit. If the £1.5bn(?) stadium in the poorest region in England does not deliver that, then in my view we will not get a new stadium. I think we'll see a SJP expansion to about 60k if the numbers add up. If not, probably a refit of SJP with people like me who are near the halfway line in East Stand being moved to L7 for corporates paying £200 a game! 

 

Saying all that, there's no excuses for how long its taking to get a new training site identified and started. 

 

I doubt they'd exclusively fund a new stadium even if it is the preferred option.

[Stifler]

4 minutes ago, 500bhp said:

I've mentioned this before but we are an investment with an element of sports washing, not a vanity project like PSG, Man City or Chelsea under the Russian. Any major expenditure on capital projects such as a new stadium costing billions or hundreds of millions on expanding SJP needs to meet all the criteria of the PIF board. They'll need to see a high double digits return on that level of investment, I'm guessing. Plus they'll have loads of other metrics that need to be met before that level of expenditure is approved. 

 

There will be an exit strategy for selling us and realising a substantial profit. If the £1.5bn(?) stadium in the poorest region in England does not deliver that, then in my view we will not get a new stadium. I think we'll see a SJP expansion to about 60k if the numbers add up. If not, probably a refit of SJP with people like me who are near the halfway line in East Stand being moved to L7 for corporates paying £200 a game! 

 

Saying all that, there's no excuses for how long its taking to get a new training site identified and started. 

Anyone investing in Premier League football, including PIF’s initial investment, will be banking on the TV distribution rights deals changing. In the next 10-15 years every Premier League club will be worth billions, I can easily see us being worth something like £8bn-£10bn. I doubt paying £2bn fo a new stadium will be a barrier long term, especially if as expected, the club is to finance about half of that figure.

 

We also have to remember that the people who own 15% of the club, and approximately a quarter of the city’s landmass are some of the biggest property developers in the country. They themselves will be looking to see how their various companies will be able to make money on the stadium project.

 

Despite is not having a blank chequebook and being an investment, I still think a new state of the art stadium is realistic, especially if it is to be a multi-purpose venue.

[bobbydazzla]

Anyone else wanting to do a Sam Beckett in Quantum Leap, go back to 1881 and tell Newcastle East End that when they absorb Newcastle West End they should put some nets on some grass at Silverlink ?

 

We’d have had a new stadium by now if that had happened. 

[Whitley mag]

1 hour ago, 500bhp said:

I've mentioned this before but we are an investment with an element of sports washing, not a vanity project like PSG, Man City or Chelsea under the Russian. Any major expenditure on capital projects such as a new stadium costing billions or hundreds of millions on expanding SJP needs to meet all the criteria of the PIF board. They'll need to see a high double digits return on that level of investment, I'm guessing. Plus they'll have loads of other metrics that need to be met before that level of expenditure is approved. 

 

There will be an exit strategy for selling us and realising a substantial profit. If the £1.5bn(?) stadium in the poorest region in England does not deliver that, then in my view we will not get a new stadium. I think we'll see a SJP expansion to about 60k if the numbers add up. If not, probably a refit of SJP with people like me who are near the halfway line in East Stand being moved to L7 for corporates paying £200 a game! 

 

Saying all that, there's no excuses for how long its taking to get a new training site identified and started. 

The numbers don’t add up to expand St James’ to 60k due to the complications of building at the Gallowgate End.

 

It’s inconceivable with other clubs expanding capacity that we remain at SJP with a 52k capacity. Ive got no doubt we’ll even see the mackems put in an application to extend the SOS shortly to about 55k.

Stay at SJP in its current guise and we get left behind completely, which would make a mockery of their stated ambition.

[Stifler]

16 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

The numbers don’t add up to expand St James’ to 60k due to the complications of building at the Gallowgate End.

 

It’s inconceivable with other clubs expanding capacity that we remain at SJP with a 52k capacity. Ive got no doubt we’ll even see the mackems put in an application to extend the SOS shortly to about 55k.

Stay at SJP in its current guise and we get left behind completely, which would make a mockery of their stated ambition.

Other than the Mackems thinking promotion automatically means their owner is going to do this and it being picked up by Facebook football groups (the main one of which has a mackem admin) what makes you think this?

 

Other than the odd game where they have tried to break the league record for attendance, and when we came to town, they haven’t regularly sold out until this season. It’s also worth noting that their ticket prices are currently still fairly cheap compared to other Premier League clubs, and a lot of people have already pointed out that in their recent home games, there has been large gaps starting to be noticeable in the crowds.

They need to sustain higher crowds, and for those price increases, in addition to having a period of Premier League security before a stadium expansion starts becoming viable for them.

[Whitley mag]

2 hours ago, Stifler said:

Other than the Mackems thinking promotion automatically means their owner is going to do this and it being picked up by Facebook football groups (the main one of which has a mackem admin) what makes you think this?

 

Other than the odd game where they have tried to break the league record for attendance, and when we came to town, they haven’t regularly sold out until this season. It’s also worth noting that their ticket prices are currently still fairly cheap compared to other Premier League clubs, and a lot of people have already pointed out that in their recent home games, there has been large gaps starting to be noticeable in the crowds.

They need to sustain higher crowds, and for those price increases, in addition to having a period of Premier League security before a stadium expansion starts becoming viable for them.

They’ve been talks with council re development at Sheepfolds to ensure it doesn’t stop them expanding the South Stand.

 

Its certainly not inconceivable they announce a redevelopment before us, it’s certainly debatable whether they need one but that’s the craic.

 

 

Edited January 9 by Whitley mag

[Stifler]

11 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

They’ve been talks with council re development at Sheepfolds to ensure it doesn’t stop them expanding the South Stand.

 

Its certainly not inconceivable they announce a redevelopment before us, it’s certainly debatable whether they need one but that’s the craic.

What they want is so that the new houses are not built too close to the stadium so that it can’t be expanded in future. It doesn’t mean that they are actively looking at it.

We would have done the same with the Strawberry land if Ashley wasn’t a cunt of a owner.

[Whitley mag]

49 minutes ago, Stifler said:

What they want is so that the new houses are not built too close to the stadium so that it can’t be expanded in future. It doesn’t mean that they are actively looking at it.

We would have done the same with the Strawberry land if Ashley wasn’t a cunt of an owner.

It doesn’t mean that they’re not either, the cost of them expanding would be peanuts compared to us.

[trx345]

Just don't want a - now we'd brand it 'Temu stadium' that drains the soul from the club. 

 

We take the piss out of all the old fogies in East Stand, but that's what makes SJP great.

 

West Ham probably best example of moving stadiums and draining out the soul from the club. MK Dons have a PL stadium, but club has no soul. Pompey and Bradford having 20k+ in League 2 is because they never moved to new grounds.   

 

I'm biased as I watch Pompey more than Newcastle, but still think SJP and Fratton Park are best stadiums that just give huge energy.

 

Having 11 players than win on the pitch matters the most, but having 30, 40 even 70+ fans enter a ground they hate and don't want to be in has far more energy that's ever considered.

 

Lucas Paqueta and Bowen are great players - West Ham fans would rather be in League 1 and at Upton Park.

 

 

Edited January 10 by trx345

[bobbydazzla]

15 minutes ago, trx345 said:

Just don't want a - now we'd brand it 'Temu stadium' that drains the soul from the club. 

 

We take the piss out of all the old fogies in East Stand, but that's what makes SJP great.

 

West Ham probably best example of moving stadiums and draining out the soul from the club. MK Dons have a PL stadium, but club has no soul. Pompey and Bradford having 20k+ in League 2 is because they never moved to new grounds.   

You’ve got the same entrenched negative mindset as far too many of our fans. 
 

You might as well be saying “I’m not interested in even considering going on an all inclusive luxury holiday to the Maldives, because I know someone who went to an all inclusive in Egypt and said it was shite”

 

We could build a new stadium with a design and layout that replicates the best atmospheres in world football. And create a way for like minded noisy fans to gather and stand in specific areas in their tens of thousands.

 

No-one knows right now, so reserve judgement until we have something tangible to comment on and until then, why not try considering what the positives might be, as well as the negatives.  

 

 

Edited January 10 by bobbydazzla

[Kilcline]

15 minutes ago, trx345 said:

Just don't want a - now we'd brand it 'Temu stadium' that drains the soul from the club. 

 

We take the piss out of all the old fogies in East Stand, but that's what makes SJP great.

 

West Ham probably best example of moving stadiums and draining out the soul from the club. MK Dons have a PL stadium, but club has no soul. Pompey and Bradford having 20k+ in League 2 is because they never moved to new grounds.   

 

I'm biased as I watch Pompey more than Newcastle, but still think SJP and Fratton Park are best stadiums that just give huge energy.

 

Having 11 players than win on the pitch matters the most, but having 30, 40 even 70+ fans enter a ground they hate and don't want to be in has far more energy that's ever considered.

 

Lucas Paqueta and Bowen are great players - West Ham fans would rather be in League 1 and at Upton Park.

 

 

 

The stadium is the least of MK Dons issues/reasons for being soulless 

[trx345]

55 minutes ago, Kilcline said:

The stadium is the least of MK Dons issues/reasons for being soulless 

 

MK Dons are the purest example of being just a football team with a great stadium. Maybe Darlington as well..

 

Sullivan, Gold and Brady owned Birmingham City on the potential they'd get a stadium off the back of that Casino City scheme Blair had. It's no surprise they turn up at West Ham, and get a stadium off the 2012. 

 

Moving grounds and changing stadiums doesn't go well in UK.

 

Spain do it right - Bilbao moved on the same spot, like Spurs did, but they don't hate it all. Why is that - Bilabo have culture that can't be brought or sold. Spurs moving stadium became a huge money venture 

 

 

New stadium for Newcastle will kill the club, and make 20 quid pies acceptable because Tik Tok knobhead's  viralise it.  

 

 

Edited January 10 by trx345

[Kilcline]

18 minutes ago, trx345 said:

 

MK Dons are the purest example of being just a football team with a great stadium. Maybe Darlington as well..

 

Sullivan, Gold and Brady owned Birmingham City on the potential they'd get a stadium off the back of that Casino City scheme Blair had. It's no surprise they turn up at West Ham, and get a stadium off the 2012. 

 

Moving grounds and changing stadiums doesn't go well in UK.

 

Spain do it right - Bilbao moved on the same spot, like Spurs did, but they don't hate it all. Why is that - Bilabo have culture that can't be brought or sold. Spurs moving stadium became a huge money venture 

 

 

New stadium for Newcastle will kill the club, and make 20 quid pies acceptable because Tik Tok knobhead's  viralise it.  

 

 

 

I'm not sure citing stadium moves linked with moving a club 60 miles up the road, a mackem crook, and the charlatans at West Ham is entirely relevant to our situation.

 

So to take the Bilbao and Spurs examples, if we built on Leazes Park a few yards up the street, are you saying that wouldn't work just because it's in England and that it would be financially motivated? At the end of the day it comes down to the people inside (granted unless you have an absolute abomination of a stadium like West Ham's, but they decided to go into an athletics stadium and I believe they now don't want to buy it or the GLA won't sell it so they can convert it fully - but that's another debate).

 

Some people have already decided a hypothetical new stadium is going to be shite, despite not knowing what it will look like, how many people it will hold, or anything apart from baseless speculation or videos they've watched on YouTube. Ultimately, if we end up with a new stadium and it's largely filled with people who have already decided it's shite and their sole purpose for going into it is to say "see, I told you it was going to be shite," then yeah, it will be shite. 

[trx345]

I don'r trust a new stadium move.

 

New ground will be like Evetons, and West Hams.

 

15 pound burgers, and 30k  just want St James Park.