St James' Park

[huss9]

got into town about 2 today rather than just making it for 2.55.

 

really brought home how unique and important the location of our ground is. thousands of fans (home and away) milling about.

bars restaurants cafes takeaways all bustling.

its great for the fans and great for the city.

[Heron]

21 hours ago, RodneyCisse said:

@Heron is this going to be a permanent fixture going forward?

That's the intention but some countermeasures to be put in first as the wind catches it and blows it up.

[Wallsendmag]

6 hours ago, Heron said:

That's the intention but some countermeasures to be put in first as the wind catches it and blows it up.

 

Noticed this. It seemed to disappear for the 2nd half. Great flag like 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

19 hours ago, huss9 said:

got into town about 2 today rather than just making it for 2.55.

 

really brought home how unique and important the location of our ground is. thousands of fans (home and away) milling about.

bars restaurants cafes takeaways all bustling.

its great for the fans and great for the city.

I go in about 11:30 these days

[huss9]

5 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I go in about 11:30 these days

those were the days. i now have 3 of my 4 kids in tow with me.

still trying to get the youngest interested but nee chance.

[Wallsendmag]

Had an interesting discussion last night with a friend of mine who works inside SJP and he'd been in discussion with the Facilities manager (I didn't even know we had one!) and the topic of a SJP expansion arose. The club have been in regular dialogue with the local authorities for a while and a list of options have been brought to the table.

 

The obvious one is an 8,000 expansion of the Gallowgate end, which basically extends the Milburn Stand all the way around to the East Stand.

 

2 main obstacles, Strawberry Place and the Metro Station. However the club are pretty confident that this can be done.

 

Tentative plans for a 4,000 expansion of the East Stand are also in place. This would bring the height of the East Stand up to the height of the current Gallowgate End. If you look at the San Siro it's built in a similar design. 3 higher sides and a slightly smaller one and this would being capacity up to between 64k-65k.

 

We all know the main issue here. Encroachment onto Leazes Terrace and the problem of the building getting sufficient natural light. This could be overcome by cantilevering the upper tier of the East Stand and with a far steeper rake than the current design. A glass designed roof that lets light through as with the current Milburn/Leazes Stands would need to be added.

 

Needless to say the cost would be massive, but PIF have a vision to grow their initial £300m investment 10 fold into a club worth upwards of £3bn and, aside from the obvious of being succesful this is another great way of doing it and they are adamant that a move to a new stadium isn't an option.

 

As for timescales, all he said is that there is a confidence that the UK will win the bid for Euro 2028 and that it would be done in time for that.

 

 

Edited November 12, 2022 by Wallsendmag

[Wandy]

Nice.

 

Whatever happens, it is fairly obvious that we won't just be sticking with SJP in it's current state. They will either find a way to expand it to 65k or they will build an all-new one somewhere within the city centre.

[Kanj]

1 hour ago, Wallsendmag said:

Had an interesting discussion last night with a friend of mine who works inside SJP and he'd been in discussion with the Facilities manager (I didn't even know we had one!) and the topic of a SJP expansion arose. The club have been in regular dialogue with the local authorities for a while and a list of options have been brought to the table.

 

The obvious one is an 8,000 expansion of the Gallowgate end, which basically extends the Milburn Stand all the way around to the East Stand.

 

2 main obstacles, Strawberry Place and the Metro Station. However the club are pretty confident that this can be done.

 

Tentative plans for a 4,000 expansion of the East Stand are also in place. This would bring the height of the East Stand up to the height of the current Gallowgate End. If you look at the San Siro it's built in a similar design. 3 higher sides and a slightly smaller one and this would being capacity up to between 64k-65k.

 

We all know the main issue here. Encroachment onto Leazes Terrace and the problem of the building getting sufficient natural light. This could be overcome by cantilevering the upper tier of the East Stand and with a far steeper rake than the current design. A glass designed roof that lets light through as with the current Milburn/Leazes Stands would need to be added.

 

Needless to say the cost would be massive, but PIF have a vision to grow their initial £300m investment 10 fold into a club worth upwards of £3bn and, aside from the obvious of being succesful this is another great way of doing it and they are adamant that a move to a new stadium isn't an option.

 

As for timescales, all he said is that there is a confidence that the UK will win the bid for Euro 2028 and that it would be done in time for that.

 

 

 

Can anyone draw or point to these stands on a pic of SJP to make this easier to imagine?

[tomlynnherrington]

On 29/10/2022 at 11:31, Joseph said:

At some point the Saudis will be gone and we’ll be shite again.

 

Hopefully the lunatics who want to destroy the cultural heritage of the city don’t get their way before then.

 

“There's more than enough Georgian architecture in Newcastle.” - fuck me  some of you would be happy to turn us into Milton Keynes if it meant a bit of extra FFP headroom 

 

 

 

Correct ? How often do you stand and admire Grey Street or Leazes Tce? A photo of the Champions League trophy held aloft by Trippy at the 100,000 capacity SJP after winning it at Wembley Stadium at the end of the 2023/24 season or a photo of one of the streets mentioned above?

 

 

Edited November 12, 2022 by tomlynnherrington

[deejeck]

1 hour ago, Wallsendmag said:

We all know the main issue here. Encroachment onto Leazes Terrace and the problem of the building getting sufficient natural light. This could be overcome by cantilevering the upper tier of the East Stand and with a far steeper rake than the current design. A glass designed roof that lets light through as with the current Milburn/Leazes Stands would need to be added.

The ghost of Dolly Potter is about to dig out her textbooks on light refraction and dust off her clipboard. 

[nufcnick]

47 minutes ago, Kanji said:

Can anyone draw or point to these stands on a pic of SJP to make this easier to imagine?

Here you go

[nufcnick]

Another 

 

[STM]

2 hours ago, Wallsendmag said:

Had an interesting discussion last night with a friend of mine who works inside SJP and he'd been in discussion with the Facilities manager (I didn't even know we had one!) and the topic of a SJP expansion arose. The club have been in regular dialogue with the local authorities for a while and a list of options have been brought to the table.

 

The obvious one is an 8,000 expansion of the Gallowgate end, which basically extends the Milburn Stand all the way around to the East Stand.

 

2 main obstacles, Strawberry Place and the Metro Station. However the club are pretty confident that this can be done.

 

Tentative plans for a 4,000 expansion of the East Stand are also in place. This would bring the height of the East Stand up to the height of the current Gallowgate End. If you look at the San Siro it's built in a similar design. 3 higher sides and a slightly smaller one and this would being capacity up to between 64k-65k.

 

We all know the main issue here. Encroachment onto Leazes Terrace and the problem of the building getting sufficient natural light. This could be overcome by cantilevering the upper tier of the East Stand and with a far steeper rake than the current design. A glass designed roof that lets light through as with the current Milburn/Leazes Stands would need to be added.

 

Needless to say the cost would be massive, but PIF have a vision to grow their initial £300m investment 10 fold into a club worth upwards of £3bn and, aside from the obvious of being succesful this is another great way of doing it and they are adamant that a move to a new stadium isn't an option.

 

As for timescales, all he said is that there is a confidence that the UK will win the bid for Euro 2028 and that it would be done in time for that.

 

 

 

This is what I'm here for.

[nufcnick]

2 hours ago, Wallsendmag said:

Had an interesting discussion last night with a friend of mine who works inside SJP and he'd been in discussion with the Facilities manager (I didn't even know we had one!) and the topic of a SJP expansion arose. The club have been in regular dialogue with the local authorities for a while and a list of options have been brought to the table.

 

The obvious one is an 8,000 expansion of the Gallowgate end, which basically extends the Milburn Stand all the way around to the East Stand.

 

2 main obstacles, Strawberry Place and the Metro Station. However the club are pretty confident that this can be done.

 

Tentative plans for a 4,000 expansion of the East Stand are also in place. This would bring the height of the East Stand up to the height of the current Gallowgate End. If you look at the San Siro it's built in a similar design. 3 higher sides and a slightly smaller one and this would being capacity up to between 64k-65k.

 

We all know the main issue here. Encroachment onto Leazes Terrace and the problem of the building getting sufficient natural light. This could be overcome by cantilevering the upper tier of the East Stand and with a far steeper rake than the current design. A glass designed roof that lets light through as with the current Milburn/Leazes Stands would need to be added.

 

Needless to say the cost would be massive, but PIF have a vision to grow their initial £300m investment 10 fold into a club worth upwards of £3bn and, aside from the obvious of being succesful this is another great way of doing it and they are adamant that a move to a new stadium isn't an option.

 

As for timescales, all he said is that there is a confidence that the UK will win the bid for Euro 2028 and that it would be done in time for that.

 

 

 

It would cost a lot but nowhere near as much as a new stadium 

[STM]

I always find it weird when people talk about a stadium expansion or training ground build cost of 40/50m being alot but most clubs would happily spunk that on a player.

[bowlingcrofty]

1 hour ago, nufcnick said:

Here you go

Extra half a tier on the east stand too…

[Joseph]

1 hour ago, tomlynnherrington said:

Correct ? How often do you stand and admire Grey Street or Leazes Tce? A photo of the Champions League trophy held aloft by Trippy at the 100,000 capacity SJP after winning it at Wembley Stadium at the end of the 2023/24 season or a photo of one of the streets mentioned above?

 

 

 

 

I'll take Grey Street, thanks. 

[TheGuv]

Just now, Joseph said:

 

I'll take Grey Street, thanks. 

So many philistines man ffs 

 

The club have said numerous times we ain’t moving. It’ll be 60-65k max.

[Guest]

39 minutes ago, STM said:

I always find it weird when people talk about a stadium expansion or training ground build cost of 40/50m being alot but most clubs would happily spunk that on a player.

A new training ground would be north of 100m wouldn’t it?

[tomlynnherrington]

To get 100,000 fans attending we could sell 50,000 season tickets for each half.

[Jackie Broon]

3 hours ago, Wallsendmag said:

Had an interesting discussion last night with a friend of mine who works inside SJP and he'd been in discussion with the Facilities manager (I didn't even know we had one!) and the topic of a SJP expansion arose. The club have been in regular dialogue with the local authorities for a while and a list of options have been brought to the table.

 

The obvious one is an 8,000 expansion of the Gallowgate end, which basically extends the Milburn Stand all the way around to the East Stand.

 

2 main obstacles, Strawberry Place and the Metro Station. However the club are pretty confident that this can be done.

 

Tentative plans for a 4,000 expansion of the East Stand are also in place. This would bring the height of the East Stand up to the height of the current Gallowgate End. If you look at the San Siro it's built in a similar design. 3 higher sides and a slightly smaller one and this would being capacity up to between 64k-65k.

 

We all know the main issue here. Encroachment onto Leazes Terrace and the problem of the building getting sufficient natural light. This could be overcome by cantilevering the upper tier of the East Stand and with a far steeper rake than the current design. A glass designed roof that lets light through as with the current Milburn/Leazes Stands would need to be added.

 

Needless to say the cost would be massive, but PIF have a vision to grow their initial £300m investment 10 fold into a club worth upwards of £3bn and, aside from the obvious of being succesful this is another great way of doing it and they are adamant that a move to a new stadium isn't an option.

 

As for timescales, all he said is that there is a confidence that the UK will win the bid for Euro 2028 and that it would be done in time for that.

 

 

 

 

I'm not disputing what you're saying and happy to be proven wrong but I just can't see any potential to expand the East Stand.

 

There's only about 17m between the current East Stand and Leazes Terrace, 7m between it 1-4 St James' Terrace, which is also listed (albeit Grade 2) and it is 10m from 7-11 St James Street, also Grade 2 listed.

 

The stand is already cantilevered and probably takes up the smallest footprint it possibly could. I just don't see how any expansion of it is going to be feasible without unacceptable impacts on those listed buildings (including demolition of 4 St James' Terrace at very least).

 

There would be more complex assessment of impacts on light but as a rule of thumb 15m would typically be the minimum distance allowed between a three storey building and a ground floor window. A glazed roof wouldn't make much/any difference because it would be the back of the stand that would probably have the impact, not the roof. So 17m is not a lot to play with, it might already be at or over the limit of what is acceptable in terms of height and proximity.

 

 

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[Guest]

Fly Saudia all over SJP is it? Give me details (£££) please NUFC

[Wallsendmag]

5 hours ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

I'm not disputing what you're saying and happy to be proven wrong but I just can't see any potential to expand the East Stand.

 

There's only about 17m between the current East Stand and Leazes Terrace, 7m between it 1-4 St James' Terrace, which is also listed (albeit Grade 2) and it is 10m from 7-11 St James Street, also Grade 2 listed.

 

The stand is already cantilevered and probably takes up the smallest footprint it possibly could. I just don't see how any expansion of it is going to be feasible without unacceptable impacts on those listed buildings (including demolition of 4 St James' Terrace at very least).

 

There would be more complex assessment of impacts on light but as a rule of thumb 15m would typically be the minimum distance allowed between a three storey building and a ground floor window. A glazed roof wouldn't make much/any difference because it would be the back of the stand that would probably have the impact, not the roof. So 17m is not a lot to play with, it might already be at or over the limit of what is acceptable in terms of height and proximity.

 

 

 

It isn't already cantilevered. It's currently on a very shallow rake that can easily be altered.

[Jackie Broon]

1 hour ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

It isn't already cantilevered. It's currently on a very shallow rake that can easily be altered.

 

Yes it is, and how steep a stand is makes absolutely no difference to its capacity.

 

 

Edited November 12, 2022 by Jackie Broon