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8 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

Yes it is, and how steep a stand is makes absolutely no difference to its capacity.

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It does if you intend to expand capacity by growing the stand vertically.  The East Stand being redeveloped is the no-brainer one for me.  You’re limited on space due to the road as well as Leazes Terrace itself.  

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3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

It does if you intend to expand capacity by growing the stand vertically.  The East Stand being redeveloped is the no-brainer one for me.  You’re limited on space due to the road as well as Leazes Terrace itself.  

 

It doesn't, excuse the shit drawing but this illustrates why it doesn't make a difference.

 

Capacity is determined by a stand's depth, not its angle.

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1 minute ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

It doesn't, excuse the shit drawing but this illustrates why it doesn't make a difference.

 

Capacity is determined by a stand's depth, not its angle.

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Yes, but the number of tiers you can build when you are limited by how high you can build determines capacity.

 

The East Stand isn’t optimised as originally it had corporate boxes - they were replaced by a continuous gradient in the mid-90s.  The stand could be double tiered if redeveloped without the need to go any further back

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3 minutes ago, RobsonsWonderland said:

Dresdens new stand... 

Obviously looks great until it starts bouncing up and down like Old Trafford top tier did in the fa cup semifinal!

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Christ, I was in that top tier at OT in 98.  You could literally feel it move - it was like experiencing an earthquake.  It was a bit unnerving 

 

7 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Just trying to imagine the current East Stand age demographic dealing with the Stand being that steep.

 

Leaning over to pass someone a Werther's Original and suddenly...darkness.

:) 

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5 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Yes, but the number of tiers you can build when you are limited by how high you can build determines capacity.

 

The East Stand isn’t optimised as originally it had corporate boxes - they were replaced by a continuous gradient in the mid-90s.  The stand could be double tiered if redeveloped without the need to go any further back

 

The East Stand is actually very optimised in terms of its use of space, the back rows of seating are cantilevered over the back of the stand. To build a tier above would almost certainly require a supporting structure and facilities behind the existing stand.

 

I have doubts whether there is much or any scope to build a taller stand without likely unacceptable residential amenity / hetitage impacts anyway.

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12 minutes ago, Adam said:

Hope we go full Mestella with a mental vertical stand.  

 

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Those bottom two tiers is what I was thinking with a new East Stand.  A shallow bottom tier with a steeper tier above.  It would increase capacity and let’s face it the 50-year-old East Stand is a bit shabby really.

 

What should also be considered is dropping the pitch a couple of metres (including getting rid of the ‘slope’) and adding another couple of rows

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Just now, Jackie Broon said:

 

The East Stand is actually very optimised in terms of its use of space, the back rows of seating are cantilevered over the back of the stand. To build a tier above would almost certainly require a supporting structure and facilities behind the existing stand.

 

I have doubts whether there is much or any scope to build a taller stand without likely unacceptable residential amenity / hetitage impacts anyway.

Yep, structurally it would be tricky and would likely require pillars to the underside of the top tier if it were built.

 

The ‘right to light’ of course is the other issue - but it should always be remembered that we don’t actually know the extent of the impact (the Waldram Method is actually very conservative on light allowances), and of course depending on the circumstances there is the opportunity to pay compensation if needed.  It might well be possible to lift the east stand higher without breaching Waldram’s 1/500th rule

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1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Yep, structurally it would be tricky and would likely require pillars to the underside of the top tier if it were built.

 

The ‘right to light’ of course is the other issue - but it should always be remembered that we don’t actually know the extent of the impact (the Waldram Method is actually very conservative on light allowances), and of course depending on the circumstances there is the opportunity to pay compensation if needed.  It might well be possible to lift the east stand higher without breaching Waldram’s 1/500th rule

 

Right to light is a separate civil law issue, I'm taking about planning impacts. That would typically be determined by a BRE daylight and sunlight assessment.

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5 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

Right to light is a separate civil law issue, I'm taking about planning impacts. That would typically be determined by a BRE daylight and sunlight assessment.

BRE still talks about ‘no sky lines’ and vertical sky components etc.  It would require an actual assessment to be done.  It’s been a few years so my old RICS guidance notes are falling away from my memory I’m afraid :) 

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3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

BRE still talks about ‘no sky lines’ and vertical sky components etc.  It would require an actual assessment to be done.  It’s been a few years so my old RICS guidance notes are falling away from my memory I’m afraid :) 

 

It does and and it would, I do have a BRE assessment pack at work, but they're a ballache to do.

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58 minutes ago, Rich said:

Is it not just that the exterior work on the new block is finished? Only looks like a matter of time until it’s open now.

Yeah they used it a as a Depot for their materials. 

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