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TheBrownBottle

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6 minutes ago, Iwantcurlyhair2 said:

The amount of listed buildings that were demolished for the central motorway and Eldon Square show that for a "project that improves the city" progress should not be halted. I haven't heard anyone say just demolish leazes terrace buts let us move it to a new location. St James Park is the greatest building in our city and home to the greatest company in our city. Arguements for bandstands, parkland and for moving terraced houses shouldn't be detrimental to the business that provides everything to the city. For christ sake there is a stone in elswick pool commemorating the listed building Elswick Hall that was demolished to build the pool. If it's ok for elswick baths it's ok for nufc

The creation of Eldon Square and the central motorway ultimately led to councillors going to jail mate.  The demolition of those buildings was a fucking crime and the idea that ‘it’s been done before so it’ll be ok to do it again’ is off the charts crackers.  SJP is hardly the greatest building in the city - it’s an already outmoded lumpen stadium of concrete and steel.

 

How about we don’t wreck irreplacable heritage buildings - the ones that remain?

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Iwantcurlyhair2

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3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

The creation of Eldon Square and the central motorway ultimately led to councillors going to jail mate.  The demolition of those buildings was a fucking crime and the idea that ‘it’s been done before so it’ll be ok to do it again’ is off the charts crackers.  SJP is hardly the greatest building in the city - it’s an already outmoded lumpen stadium of concrete and steel.

 

How about we don’t wreck irreplacable heritage buildings - the ones that remain?

Explain to me how the shard, the guerkin, canary wharf, every Newcastle high rise student accommodation etc that's been built over the last 20 years doesn't affect listed building light levels but sjp will. The whole argument is flawed. It's like architectural wokeness.

By the way they didn't go to jail for pulling down the buildings. If I remember it was more fiscal than that. 

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TheBrownBottle

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4 minutes ago, Iwantcurlyhair2 said:

Explain to me how the shard, the guerkin, canary wharf, every Newcastle high rise student accommodation etc that's been built over the last 20 years doesn't affect listed building light levels but sjp will. The whole argument is flawed. It's like architectural wokeness.

By the way they didn't go to jail for pulling down the buildings. If I remember it was more fiscal than that. 

The dodgy deals they did led to prison.  It was an act of cultural vandalism.

 

It isn’t just a case of right to light - there isn’t the room.  

 

And you’ve lost me with the ‘wokeness’ reference.  Have some civic pride man. 

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Groundhog63

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2 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

The dodgy deals they did led to prison.  It was an act of cultural vandalism.

 

It isn’t just a case of right to light - there isn’t the room.  

 

And you’ve lost me with the ‘wokeness’ reference.  Have some civic pride man. 

I know, the "wokeness" thing did it for me as well. Usually people who go all "woke" & "snowflake" haven't got a Scooby ?

However, Curly does have a point. It's not even "cultural vandalism has been done before so let's do it here" 

Listed buildings and architecturally/ historically interesting land is rebuilt over/on all the time. Sometimes it's for the common good. Sometimes what replaces it works. Sometimes it doesn't. 

I'm all for keeping beautiful buildings and parkland, for eg, that's been bequeathed for public use BUT exceptions are made.

Not saying cultural vandalism isn't prevalent, it is, concrete jungles abound ?

I've been getting Private Eye for nearly 40 years and their "Nooks & Crannies" page shows, fortnightly, the plight of our heritage. Mainly at the hands of dodgy builders/landlords and councillors. 

 

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17 hours ago, RodneyCisse said:


Option A for me like.

 

That is awesome.  What a great animation, thanks for sharing that

 

All of those options look great, no matter how they decide to do it the disruption is going to be significant.  Option C would be incredible.

 

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TomYam

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47 minutes ago, Wandy said:

It's just one sample, but I noticed on this twitter feed that 67% or people voted for Option C. I know some on here won't agree, but I do think that this would be an accurate reflection of the opinion of the wider fanbase.

 

https://x.com/NUFCFEED/status/1780329240782672359

 

 

Interesting. So, on that basis, a large majority would prefer a ground move providing it is nearby and of sufficient quality. Perhaps those folks with skills I don't possess could now formulate graphics for alternative possibilities other than Option C (ie. on Castle Leazes)?

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Keegans Export

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1 hour ago, Wandy said:

It's just one sample, but I noticed on this twitter feed that 67% or people voted for Option C. I know some on here won't agree, but I do think that this would be an accurate reflection of the opinion of the wider fanbase.

 

https://x.com/NUFCFEED/status/1780329240782672359

 

 

I don't think that should be a huge surprise to anybody really. In theory it has the (main) benefit of the current site, namely being very central, but also has the "shiny new toy" effect. 

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5 minutes ago, Keegans Export said:

I don't think that should be a huge surprise to anybody really. In theory it has the (main) benefit of the current site, namely being very central, but also has the "shiny new toy" effect. 

Is C a new stadium? Hard to imagine anyone in the Gallowgate voting to lose their seats redevelopmenting the current site

And strawberry corner for that matter depending on h&s rules

 

 

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Decky

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Option C is far and away the best option imo. Upgrading the stadium isn’t just about increasing capacity, it’s the whole package and a new stadium lets us do whatever we want. Part of option C is built on the SJP footprint so it’s basically in the same location. Seems perfect.

 

 

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15 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

The creation of Eldon Square and the central motorway ultimately led to councillors going to jail mate.  The demolition of those buildings was a fucking crime and the idea that ‘it’s been done before so it’ll be ok to do it again’ is off the charts crackers.  SJP is hardly the greatest building in the city - it’s an already outmoded lumpen stadium of concrete and steel.

 

How about we don’t wreck irreplacable heritage buildings - the ones that remain?

never knew that.

any decent info around on that?

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TomYam

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1 hour ago, huss9 said:

facing south?

The Royal Arcade fronted Pilgrim Street which had extended unbroken to Manor Street (now gone) and City Road. It faced down Mosley Street to the south-west. Behind it lay Carliol Square and The Holy Jesus Hospital. Once the decision to build a large roundabout for the proposed new central motorway had been made, the planners had to choose between RA and HJH as to which should be demolished to accommodate it - they chose RA and it bit the bullet at the end of 1963 with Swan House replacing it. 

The Royal Arcade was lauded as an architectural masterpiece, but its original purpose as a stylish shopping mall foundered on the fact it was a few minutes from the main shopping streets and was at the furthest point of Pilgrim Steeet and beyond it was a decaying part of town (Pandon). In the decades preceding its demolition it was a beacon for counterculture and a hangout for anarchists and communists. The city administrators were probably more than happy to sign off its destruction, but the city lost some magnificence that can never be replaced - just as it has with the loss of two-thirds of Eldon Square, King Charles House with Shieldfield Green and the surrounding houses, the ancient Dolphin House, the original Pearl Assurance Building and the old classical library (that was flattened to make way for John Dobson Street) - all demolished over less than a decade of destruction in the name of progress. The cool leftfield Handyside Arcade was blitzed in the late 80s to make way for the faceless and unsuccessful Eldon Garden - proving the council are myopic phillistines. 

 

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