indi Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 We are a mid-table club, the sooner people realise and accept that the sooner we can get on with improving on it. Yes, we have potential, but potential doesn't win you games and it definitely doesn't win you trophies. To improve in the future we need to understand where we are today and develop a plan starting from there, just aping what the big four do, trophy signings et al, simply isn't working, is it. We need to accept what we are and behave appropriately and that's: a mid-table club with aspirations. Big Sam has proven himself to be an excellent manager of a mid-table club with ambitions at Bolton and at the moment we really aren't that different to them, in terms of the reality of our footballing ability, rather than the fantasy of our potential/expectations. I think he'd be an excellent choice as manager of NUFC as it stands in 2007 and you never know, once he's done his stuff then we might be ready for the Wenger, Mourinho, or Ferguson's of this world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 We are a mid-table club, the sooner people realise and accept that the sooner we can get on with improving on it. Yes, we have potential, but potential doesn't win you games and it definitely doesn't win you trophies. To improve in the future we need to understand where we are today and develop a plan starting from there, just aping what the big four do, trophy signings et al, simply isn't working, is it. We need to accept what we are and behave appropriately and that's: a mid-table club with aspirations. Big Sam has proven himself to be an excellent manager of a mid-table club with ambitions at Bolton and at the moment we really aren't that different to them, in terms of the reality of our footballing ability, rather than the fantasy of our potential/expectations. I think he'd be an excellent choice as manager of NUFC as it stands in 2007 and you never know, once he's done his stuff then we might be ready for the Wenger, Mourinho, or Ferguson's of this world. Spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 We are a mid-table club, the sooner people realise and accept that the sooner we can get on with improving on it. Yes, we have potential, but potential doesn't win you games and it definitely doesn't win you trophies. To improve in the future we need to understand where we are today and develop a plan starting from there, just aping what the big four do, trophy signings et al, simply isn't working, is it. We need to accept what we are and behave appropriately and that's: a mid-table club with aspirations. Big Sam has proven himself to be an excellent manager of a mid-table club with ambitions at Bolton and at the moment we really aren't that different to them, in terms of the reality of our footballing ability, rather than the fantasy of our potential/expectations. I think he'd be an excellent choice as manager of NUFC as it stands in 2007 and you never know, once he's done his stuff then we might be ready for the Wenger, Mourinho, or Ferguson's of this world. Spot on. Spot on about it being spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 We are a mid-table club, the sooner people realise and accept that the sooner we can get on with improving on it. Yes, we have potential, but potential doesn't win you games and it definitely doesn't win you trophies. To improve in the future we need to understand where we are today and develop a plan starting from there, just aping what the big four do, trophy signings et al, simply isn't working, is it. We need to accept what we are and behave appropriately and that's: a mid-table club with aspirations. Big Sam has proven himself to be an excellent manager of a mid-table club with ambitions at Bolton and at the moment we really aren't that different to them, in terms of the reality of our footballing ability, rather than the fantasy of our potential/expectations. I think he'd be an excellent choice as manager of NUFC as it stands in 2007 and you never know, once he's done his stuff then we might be ready for the Wenger, Mourinho, or Ferguson's of this world. An Indi thread killer special. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliMag Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 I still don't understand some of the dislike of Niall and Biffa. Just like Alex said about the Hitzfield campaign - you can't not participate or support it but at least it was an effort to try to do something. Niall & Biffa put in loads of effort into that site and if you disagree with it then read something else. Seems simple to me. Why slate them? Also some of the comments re: Roeder on here are becoming over the top. Roeder is not a great manager but he is better than Souness (and I was opposed to appointing him full time). He is a small improvement... the trick is to keep improving. Not sure of Big Sam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 I still don't understand some of the dislike of Niall and Biffa. Just like Alex said about the Hitzfield campaign - you can't not participate or support it but at least it was an effort to try to do something. Niall & Biffa put in loads of effort into that site and if you disagree with it then read something else. Seems simple to me. Why slate them? Also some of the comments re: Roeder on here are becoming over the top. Roeder is not a great manager but he is better than Souness (and I was opposed to appointing him full time). He is a small improvement... the trick is to keep improving. Not sure of Big Sam. I'm not sure that Roeder is an improvement over Souness, he's no worse though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 I still don't understand some of the dislike of Niall and Biffa. Just like Alex said about the Hitzfield campaign - you can't not participate or support it but at least it was an effort to try to do something. Niall & Biffa put in loads of effort into that site and if you disagree with it then read something else. Seems simple to me. Why slate them? Why not ? Why are they above criticism to you ? If the Oliver writes something in the chronicle you don't agree with are you telling me not to slate him too ? Like it or not, they are the only independent presence on the net to the vast majority of Newcastle fans who have no idea what one of these forums is all about. Their supporters need to understand that with that responsibilty comes the potential for criticism as well as praise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 We are a mid-table club, the sooner people realise and accept that the sooner we can get on with improving on it. Yes, we have potential, but potential doesn't win you games and it definitely doesn't win you trophies. To improve in the future we need to understand where we are today and develop a plan starting from there, just aping what the big four do, trophy signings et al, simply isn't working, is it. We need to accept what we are and behave appropriately and that's: a mid-table club with aspirations. Big Sam has proven himself to be an excellent manager of a mid-table club with ambitions at Bolton and at the moment we really aren't that different to them, in terms of the reality of our footballing ability, rather than the fantasy of our potential/expectations. I think he'd be an excellent choice as manager of NUFC as it stands in 2007 and you never know, once he's done his stuff then we might be ready for the Wenger, Mourinho, or Ferguson's of this world. We're a mid table team, not a mid table club. Other then that pedantic difference in wordage I agree with your post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 I'd be devastated if we got Sam. Surely Fat Fred isn't that stupid to make 3 huge mistakes in a row!!! Without listing off a bunch of myths why wouldn't you want Allardyce here? He is exactly what we need at the moment. Someone who can build foundations for a succesful future whilst being able to get the best out of players and playing effective future in the present. Mainly for this reason: Will a team of long-throw specialists and dead-ball experts fill 60,000 seats? Will a no-nonsense approach really get our players into line? Souness couldn't pull it off. 1. I doubt we'll be able to fill 50k for much longer the way we are playing. 2. Souness had a history of falling out with big name players. As brilliant as Dyer, Parker and Emre are, Sam has managed to maintain the respect of World Cup and Champions League winners like Djorkaeff, Hierro, Campo and Anelka. Sam has a no nonsense personality but in terms of man management he has proved to be very competant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 We are a mid-table club, the sooner people realise and accept that the sooner we can get on with improving on it. Yes, we have potential, but potential doesn't win you games and it definitely doesn't win you trophies. To improve in the future we need to understand where we are today and develop a plan starting from there, just aping what the big four do, trophy signings et al, simply isn't working, is it. We need to accept what we are and behave appropriately and that's: a mid-table club with aspirations. Big Sam has proven himself to be an excellent manager of a mid-table club with ambitions at Bolton and at the moment we really aren't that different to them, in terms of the reality of our footballing ability, rather than the fantasy of our potential/expectations. I think he'd be an excellent choice as manager of NUFC as it stands in 2007 and you never know, once he's done his stuff then we might be ready for the Wenger, Mourinho, or Ferguson's of this world. Spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 We are a mid-table club, the sooner people realise and accept that the sooner we can get on with improving on it. Yes, we have potential, but potential doesn't win you games and it definitely doesn't win you trophies. To improve in the future we need to understand where we are today and develop a plan starting from there, just aping what the big four do, trophy signings et al, simply isn't working, is it. We need to accept what we are and behave appropriately and that's: a mid-table club with aspirations. Big Sam has proven himself to be an excellent manager of a mid-table club with ambitions at Bolton and at the moment we really aren't that different to them, in terms of the reality of our footballing ability, rather than the fantasy of our potential/expectations. I think he'd be an excellent choice as manager of NUFC as it stands in 2007 and you never know, once he's done his stuff then we might be ready for the Wenger, Mourinho, or Ferguson's of this world. We're a mid table team, not a mid table club. Other then that pedantic difference in wordage I agree with your post I specifically chose club rather than team because there's a lot more about NUFC that needs to change than simply the team. Just bringing in a few new faces isn't going to do it, there needs to be a number of major changes made to the running of the club, both on and off the pitch. The days of quick fixes are over, that's one of the things that has gotten us into this mess in the first place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indi Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 We are a mid-table club, the sooner people realise and accept that the sooner we can get on with improving on it. Yes, we have potential, but potential doesn't win you games and it definitely doesn't win you trophies. To improve in the future we need to understand where we are today and develop a plan starting from there, just aping what the big four do, trophy signings et al, simply isn't working, is it. We need to accept what we are and behave appropriately and that's: a mid-table club with aspirations. Big Sam has proven himself to be an excellent manager of a mid-table club with ambitions at Bolton and at the moment we really aren't that different to them, in terms of the reality of our footballing ability, rather than the fantasy of our potential/expectations. I think he'd be an excellent choice as manager of NUFC as it stands in 2007 and you never know, once he's done his stuff then we might be ready for the Wenger, Mourinho, or Ferguson's of this world. An Indi thread killer special. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 We are a mid-table club, the sooner people realise and accept that the sooner we can get on with improving on it. Yes, we have potential, but potential doesn't win you games and it definitely doesn't win you trophies. To improve in the future we need to understand where we are today and develop a plan starting from there, just aping what the big four do, trophy signings et al, simply isn't working, is it. We need to accept what we are and behave appropriately and that's: a mid-table club with aspirations. Big Sam has proven himself to be an excellent manager of a mid-table club with ambitions at Bolton and at the moment we really aren't that different to them, in terms of the reality of our footballing ability, rather than the fantasy of our potential/expectations. I think he'd be an excellent choice as manager of NUFC as it stands in 2007 and you never know, once he's done his stuff then we might be ready for the Wenger, Mourinho, or Ferguson's of this world. Spot on, and hey, you never know such a manager could actually become our Mourinho or Fergie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geordiesned Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 The dig at the Hitzfeld campaign is a bit crass imo and it's not the first time they've alluded to this place in an article. Probably see this and the main site as a bit of a threat imo. And whatever you think about the rights and wrongs of the Hitzfeld campaign at least the people involved were trying to do something to benefit NUFC. I can't stand the miserable wankers at .com anymore. Typical of their negativity without insight or solutions. Thought the same myself. The "we're better than you" aspect that seems have crept onto their site of late is not very becoming at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 Under Souness and Roeder we are playing the worst football this club has played in the last 20 years As long as we win, the reality is that most of our supporters dont care. Prime example, Arsenal 1-0 at St James' last year. We essentially kicked them off the pitch, then laughed at them when their fans/manager complained afterwards about the fouls. No different to any of the thuggish sides many of us have come to hate down the years - yet our fans couldnt care less. A win is a win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest graemeh72 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 I can't stand the miserable wankers at .com anymore. Typical of their negativity without insight or solutions. Insights are in the Waffle section of the match reports, Solutions ? Well opinions are there too but sometimes you have to read between the lines. I'm not saying taht there isn't a lot of good stuff on here, but on here you have to sift through a lot more chaff to find the wheat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 He's a former Sunderland player, with a 'big-head' who was accused of taking bungs. Reminds me of a guy who won the European Cup twice. I get the idea if Allardyce took over and guided us to some success, they'd be gutted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 He's a former Sunderland player, with a 'big-head' who was accused of taking bungs. Reminds me of a guy who won the European Cup twice. I get the idea if Allardyce took over and guided us to some success, they'd be gutted. What a load of shite, tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest graemeh72 Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 Probably see this and the main site as a bit of a threat imo. dot com isn't a money making venture Biffa and Niall started dot com out of passion and saw the internet as a media channel to communicate a non plc view of the club. biggest load of bollocks I read in a while, a count of their "advertsing partners" should be sufficient for even blind man to see them for what they are, which is a commericial site which must be extremely badly managed if they do not turn over a tidy profit. Hiding behind the, they are only fans spouting there opinions like the rest of us so are beyond criticism is nothing new and something invalidated when they took the £££ from the radio stations, betting companies, et al. They just got lucky, the site is just as popular for the domain name they were fortunate to register at the right time as the content they provide. Having said that, this article apart some of their recent stuff has been showing signs of improvement, love the alias of Pravda for the Chronicle. Oddly enough I think the same about your post - total and utter bollocks This year dot com have been to 83 football matches reporting on Newcastle United, from the Juniors to The Reserves to the First Team. And thats a quiet year! Compiling stats to match reports to maintaining a web site to replying to emails - all whilst holding down full time jobs. 83 games with the expense of travel costs, ticket entry costs, cups of tea, hosting of the website, toner, pens, pencils, mobile costs, etc etc If your think that the ad revenue on that site is enough to deliver a "tidy" gross let alone net profit from that lot ....then I'm glad that you're not my accountant!!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 I get the idea if Allardyce took over and guided us to some success, they'd be gutted. Probably an overused phrase but I think thats the biggest load of shite I've ever read on the internet - well done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 total toss from a site that has got well above its station. they hate allardyce, you only have to look at this seasons (v bolton) match report to realise that. despite them taking 6 points off us and being just short of a top 4 slot. fucking goons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 We are a mid-table club, the sooner people realise and accept that the sooner we can get on with improving on it. Yes, we have potential, but potential doesn't win you games and it definitely doesn't win you trophies. To improve in the future we need to understand where we are today and develop a plan starting from there, just aping what the big four do, trophy signings et al, simply isn't working, is it. We need to accept what we are and behave appropriately and that's: a mid-table club with aspirations. Big Sam has proven himself to be an excellent manager of a mid-table club with ambitions at Bolton and at the moment we really aren't that different to them, in terms of the reality of our footballing ability, rather than the fantasy of our potential/expectations. I think he'd be an excellent choice as manager of NUFC as it stands in 2007 and you never know, once he's done his stuff then we might be ready for the Wenger, Mourinho, or Ferguson's of this world. For sure, we have to start from where we are, rather than from the point we'd like to be. That's the basis of good management. The man within the club who is most at fault when it comes to unrealistic, fantasy thinking is the head dreamer Freddie 'I-give-the-fans-what-they-want' Shepherd. He lies behind the two most serious mistakes of the last few seasons - the undermining of Sir Bob's plan to phase Shearer into retirement, and the blowing of all that money on Owen. Neither of them were the product of a rational approach to team building. This is why I worry that no manager can make a success of things with that fool as Chairman. It's encouraging that Allardyce has turned Shepherd down twice before - clearly they can't see eye to eye. He might be prepared to turn us down a third time for the same reason. If the Halls are determined that Roeder should go and Allardyce be brought in, then the casualty might be Freddie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 total toss from a site that has got well above its station. they hate allardyce, you only have to look at this seasons (v bolton) match report to realise that. despite them taking 6 points off us and being just short of a top 4 slot. fucking goons. Howay, man, it's just a personal opinion. I fucking hate Rio Ferdinand, but he's a shitload better than anything we've got at the minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheOrder Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 total toss from a site that has got well above its station. they hate allardyce, you only have to look at this seasons (v bolton) match report to realise that. despite them taking 6 points off us and being just short of a top 4 slot. f****** goons. Yep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted May 4, 2007 Share Posted May 4, 2007 total toss from a site that has got well above its station. they hate allardyce, you only have to look at this seasons (v bolton) match report to realise that. despite them taking 6 points off us and being just short of a top 4 slot. f****** goons. Howay, man, it's just a personal opinion. I f****** hate Rio Ferdinand, but he's a shitload better than anything we've got at the minute. they are pricks who have pissed me off for ages. once again they try to come across as 'sitting on the fence' 'lets suggest no-one', ah fuck off man, if you sat on the fence you wouldnt have placed an article stating more negatives about a potential new gaffer than positives. they are a pair of pricks and are as bent as the rest of them, they havnt been the fans voice for a long time, and should stop posing as if they are. as i said, fucking goons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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