Dokko Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Listen, all of you still going on about the loyalty bonus, who really gives a s***, he is our player now, no matter if you think he is greedy or what not, judge him for his performances in the black and white next season, i mean come on all players are in it for the money and go to the highest bidder so whats £300k to a football team when they are paying a player £70k a week and a £5.8m transfer fee Let it go and move on it's idiots with that kind of view which allow things like allow the Dyer/Bowyer incident to happen on the pitch do you think that is all forgotten or do you think NUFC is still a laughing stock to the nation? it's just another in a long line of short sighted idiotic decisions How can you compare it to the Dyer/Bowyer fight? signing a player with psychological baggage You are right, we shouldn't of signed Bowyer, but simply because he was a below average EPL player, not to do with his personality. Both combined was a big issue for some people, me included. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Toon83 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 whats this debate about a loyalty bonus got to do with Lee Bowyer and a fight on the pitch? it's all about excusing certain actions on the basis of football reasons, and having come back to haunt you later Whats £300k to a club with the money that we have, and as i originally said, before this was taken into a debate about a players actions who has not even kicked a ball for us yet, its all about the performance on the pitch and not off it. You dont win matches for what happens off the pitch It would be a better idea to try and understand what role he is going to fulfill on the pitch. Arguing over the merits of his £300k pay off is a waste of f**king time. I want to know what he's going to do to be worth nealry £6M. Which is basically what i'm sayin, atleast someone agrees with me. Barton has always been an excellent player when he played for Manchester City and some say he was their best player last season, so lets wait until he has played for us before judging him on his 'psychological baggage' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Invicta_Toon Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 We will be a bigger laughing stock when Owen leaves us for £9m, or when Luque is finally free transfered, i hear no one laughing at us sort out as small matter of £300k payment. We ended the bad blood if anything. so what if it had been a percentage of his fee then? or something more than £300k how big does it have do be for people to wake up and realise we've been made to look like idiots again? We haven't though. I'm very confident we'll get our £5.8m back from Joey Barton. That's no laughing matter imo. well I hope my next employer is as daft as you only at NUFC tbh, we should copyright that phrase Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 It's only £300k Vic. More money then I'll ever have probably but not a great deal to a football club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Invicta_Toon Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 whats this debate about a loyalty bonus got to do with Lee Bowyer and a fight on the pitch? it's all about excusing certain actions on the basis of football reasons, and having come back to haunt you later Whats £300k to a club with the money that we have, and as i originally said, before this was taken into a debate about a players actions who has not even kicked a ball for us yet, its all about the performance on the pitch and not off it. You dont win matches for what happens off the pitch It would be a better idea to try and understand what role he is going to fulfill on the pitch. Arguing over the merits of his £300k pay off is a waste of f**king time. I want to know what he's going to do to be worth nealry £6M. Which is basically what i'm sayin, atleast someone agrees with me. Barton has always been an excellent player when he played for Manchester City and some say he was their best player last season, so lets wait until he has played for us before judging him on his 'psychological baggage' so I ask again, how much does it have to be before you take notice? I would imagine the bungs managers take aren't more than £300k, they seem to attract attention and I'm sure Man City are ecstatic that he was there best player last season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 We will be a bigger laughing stock when Owen leaves us for £9m, or when Luque is finally free transfered, i hear no one laughing at us sort out as small matter of £300k payment. We ended the bad blood if anything. so what if it had been a percentage of his fee then? or something more than £300k how big does it have do be for people to wake up and realise we've been made to look like idiots again? We haven't though. I'm very confident we'll get our £5.8m back from Joey Barton. That's no laughing matter imo. well I hope my next employer is as daft as you only at NUFC tbh, we should copyright that phrase Do you need daft employers to be employed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Invicta_Toon Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 It's only £300k Vic. More money then I'll ever have probably but not a great deal to a football club. the amount of money doesn't matter, it's what it says about Barton and NUFC and to think we shoved Parker out the door to make this deal too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Invicta_Toon Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 We will be a bigger laughing stock when Owen leaves us for £9m, or when Luque is finally free transfered, i hear no one laughing at us sort out as small matter of £300k payment. We ended the bad blood if anything. so what if it had been a percentage of his fee then? or something more than £300k how big does it have do be for people to wake up and realise we've been made to look like idiots again? We haven't though. I'm very confident we'll get our £5.8m back from Joey Barton. That's no laughing matter imo. well I hope my next employer is as daft as you only at NUFC tbh, we should copyright that phrase Do you need daft employers to be employed? I would need an absolute idiot of an employer to get away with what Barton has, and still is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 It's only £300k Vic. More money then I'll ever have probably but not a great deal to a football club. the amount of money doesn't matter, it's what it says about Barton and NUFC and to think we shoved Parker out the door to make this deal too People can say what they want about us to be honest, long as we're productive on the pitch. Can't say I've heard much talk about this 300k thing in the media since he signed, it'll be forgotten about completely in a couple of weeks I bet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 It's only £300k Vic. More money then I'll ever have probably but not a great deal to a football club. the amount of money doesn't matter, it's what it says about Barton and NUFC and to think we shoved Parker out the door to make this deal too Barton is a far better player than Parker though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Toon83 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 It's only £300k Vic. More money then I'll ever have probably but not a great deal to a football club. the amount of money doesn't matter, it's what it says about Barton and NUFC and to think we shoved Parker out the door to make this deal too People can say what they want about us to be honest, long as we're productive on the pitch. Can't say I've heard much talk about this 300k thing in the media since he signed, it'll be forgotten about completely in a couple of weeks I bet. Once again i agree, it doesnt matter what Barton has done in the past, has knowone heard of a clean slate, and a new manager, who cares what he has done aslong as he doesnt do it here. The media have said nothing about us being a laughing stock over the Barton signing, it was dragging on too long, and quite frankly Man City were never going to pay it so we did in order get his registration papers from City so how does that make us a laughing stock? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Once again i agree, it doesnt matter what Barton has done in the past, has knowone heard of a clean slate, and a new manager, who cares what he has done aslong as he doesnt do it here. The media have said nothing about us being a laughing stock over the Barton signing, it was dragging on too long, and quite frankly Man City were never going to pay it so we did in order get his registration papers from City so how does that make us a laughing stock? Exactly. If this was the transfer of Kaka to Newcastle United then maybe more would have been made about it, either way the football media have got far better things to be dealing with at the moment, the Carlos Tevez case for one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 It's only £300k Vic. More money then I'll ever have probably but not a great deal to a football club. the amount of money doesn't matter, it's what it says about Barton and NUFC and to think we shoved Parker out the door to make this deal too Barton is a far better player than Parker though. Not much more needs to be said tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Well, can someone tell me what Barton's role will be next season? He doesn't seem to score a lot. He assist record is average. He isn't pacy. He ain't much of a dribbler. I think his 1st touch is average. I can't see him being our main creative force, i certainly wouldn't compare him to Gerrard based on what i've seen. I've seen the stats for pass completion and crosses, looks pretty good if i'm honest. So, is he a player just to keep the ball moving in the midfield? Is he going to score 10 goals? For £6M i want to know what it is he is meant to excel at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Barton has got plenty of goals and assists through the years tbh; plus he's still young and could really kick off in a good side. You have to remember that he's been playing in one of the Premiership's ultimate 'also-rans' all through his career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Invicta_Toon Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 if people can't see what's wrong with Barton holding out for a loyalty bonus from City, and then digging his heels in to the extent of forcing his new employer to pay it themselves, there's something wrong with the wires in your head tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 How many CM's score 10+ league goals a season? Only Lampard, Gerrard and Scholes do it on a regular basis and they play as an attacking midfielder in a midfield 3, meaning they have little defensive responsibilities. Barton will be our Roy Keane, he'll be the bite in midfield who drives the team forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 if people can't see what's wrong with Barton holding out for a loyalty bonus from City, and then digging his heels in to the extent of forcing his new employer to pay it themselves, there's something wrong with the wires in your head tbh Newcastle United haven't cared about principle for the last ten years... why start now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 I think he's canny out of order wanting the loyalty bonus but getting him for less than we sold Parker for is a great piece of business imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Invicta_Toon Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 if people can't see what's wrong with Barton holding out for a loyalty bonus from City, and then digging his heels in to the extent of forcing his new employer to pay it themselves, there's something wrong with the wires in your head tbh Newcastle United haven't cared about principle for the last ten years... why start now? well that's kind of the point I guess the problem is there is now a generation like you raised on this, and don't know any better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 How many CM's score 10+ league goals a season? Only Lampard, Gerrard and Scholes do it on a regular basis and they play as an attacking midfielder in a midfield 3, meaning they have little defensive responsibilities. Barton will be our Roy Keane, he'll be the bite in midfield who drives the team forward. Reckon he'll be more of a Gerrard type player. High energy, getting forward and scoring goals type player. Don't see him as an anchor in the CM or anything, like Keane was. Agree with Vic about the loyalty bonus. If that 300k has gone into his bank account and his bank account alone then he has been a right wanker about the whole thing tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 If he thinks he's due the £300,000 then you can't blame him for holding out for it, it's alright to say City have stuck by him but at the time of him leaving he was told he had no future at the club. Newcastle had to make a decision, do they pay the extra £300,000 to put an end to the matter or do they risk losing a player who we're picking up cheap anyway because of a buyout clause, they chose to pay the extra and that's the end of the matter as far as I'm concerned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 How many CM's score 10+ league goals a season? Only Lampard, Gerrard and Scholes do it on a regular basis and they play as an attacking midfielder in a midfield 3, meaning they have little defensive responsibilities. Barton will be our Roy Keane, he'll be the bite in midfield who drives the team forward. Reckon he'll be more of a Gerrard type player. High energy, getting forward and scoring goals type player. Don't see him as an anchor in the CM or anything, like Keane was. Agree with Vic about the loyalty bonus. If that 300k has gone into his bank account and his bank account alone then he has been a right w****** about the whole thing tbh. Keane wasn't always an anchorman in midfield, he just ended his career there as he didn't have the pace to get up and down anymore. In his early days at the club he was an all action box to box man which is what I think Barton will be for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 How many CM's score 10+ league goals a season? Only Lampard, Gerrard and Scholes do it on a regular basis and they play as an attacking midfielder in a midfield 3, meaning they have little defensive responsibilities. Barton will be our Roy Keane, he'll be the bite in midfield who drives the team forward. Reckon he'll be more of a Gerrard type player. High energy, getting forward and scoring goals type player. Don't see him as an anchor in the CM or anything, like Keane was. Agree with Vic about the loyalty bonus. If that 300k has gone into his bank account and his bank account alone then he has been a right w****** about the whole thing tbh. Keane wasn't always an anchorman in midfield, he just ended his career there as he didn't have the pace to get up and down anymore. In his early days at the club he was an all action box to box man which is what I think Barton will be for us. His early days maybe, but his best years were spent as the glue that held the midfield together and allowed Scholes to get forward and do damage up front. Reckon Barton's game will be more comparable to Scholes', only with better tackling when called upon I would hope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 If he thinks he's due the £300,000 then you can't blame him for holding out for it, it's alright to say City have stuck by him but at the time of him leaving he was told he had no future at the club. Newcastle had to make a decision, do they pay the extra £300,000 to put an end to the matter or do they risk losing a player who we're picking up cheap anyway because of a buyout clause, they chose to pay the extra and that's the end of the matter as far as I'm concerned. Absolutley.. I think the main thing that makes him look like a twat is the fact he only just waxed lyrical about how he wasnt all about the money, like other footballers. Glad he will be playing for us next season though, always been great when I have seen him. Also agree more of a Gerrard than latter Keane. Should be an upgrade on Parker though and will be interesting to see if he can work any better with Emre. Its a big season for the turk, he was a completely different player last season than his first. I was quite excited by what we saw from him in his first year, he was exciting and always looked good at attacking players and dribbling through them. Unfortunatley the only consistency we got out of him was on the injury front. Last season, whilst less consistent on the injuries (still not a bad effort) he was a completely different player, didnt seem half as dangerous going forward and like Parker had a role crisis, so it will be intriguing to see if/where/how big sam employs him. Utilised the right way will be just as exciting as a top form Barton, but we will sorely be missing some height in the centre circle and around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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