Who would you sign now?

[Yorkie]

Glad we're not interested in the likes of Andrade, actually. A couple of years ago, aye, it would have been an immense signing, but he'll be into his thirties come this season and as a cultured centre-back, i just feel it's the wrong time for such a significant league change. I wouldn't take to the knife if someone like him were to come through the door, obviously - because he's got an excellent track record, but i could see him being more likely to be an expensive flop, rather than a major success story. Better options out there, imo.

 

For £6.7m, I think he'd have been a snip tbh. We're thin on the ground for CH's and he'd have been a great addition personally.

 

Meh, still think there are better options. Would rather just go for Campbell for £3m or something. Pricey for a 32-year-old but unquestionably worth it, imo.

[ohmelads]

Meh, still think there are better options. Would rather just go for Campbell for £3m or something. Pricey for a 32-year-old but unquestionably worth it, imo.

 

Thing is Campbell only managed 20-odd games last season. Well worth it for free at the time, but a year on and a few million and I'm not sure. We missed a good opportunity to sign him and Roeder made a mistake to turn him down, but we should move on to other targets now.

 

I think it's the most important part of the pitch to have consistency. The same two CB's playing week-in, week-out is essential IMO. Ferdinand-Vidic, Carragher-Agger, Carvalho-Terry. Split those partnerships up and you start to see problems. I'm sure Campbell would come and give us 15-25 games and he'd play well in most of those, but he'd be another short term fix who would disrupt the back four by coming in and out of the side. I'd rather bring someone in who will play practically every game of the season.

[Martin Lol]

Glad we're not interested in the likes of Andrade, actually. A couple of years ago, aye, it would have been an immense signing, but he'll be into his thirties come this season and as a cultured centre-back, i just feel it's the wrong time for such a significant league change. I wouldn't take to the knife if someone like him were to come through the door, obviously - because he's got an excellent track record, but i could see him being more likely to be an expensive flop, rather than a major success story. Better options out there, imo.

 

For £6.7m, I think he'd have been a snip tbh. We're thin on the ground for CH's and he'd have been a great addition personally.

 

Meh, still think there are better options. Would rather just go for Campbell for £3m or something. Pricey for a 32-year-old but unquestionably worth it, imo.

 

Roeder should have signed scumball on a Bosman when he had the chance.  He could have helped Taylor's game massively, a big opportunity missed.

[midds]

Glad we're not interested in the likes of Andrade, actually. A couple of years ago, aye, it would have been an immense signing, but he'll be into his thirties come this season and as a cultured centre-back, i just feel it's the wrong time for such a significant league change. I wouldn't take to the knife if someone like him were to come through the door, obviously - because he's got an excellent track record, but i could see him being more likely to be an expensive flop, rather than a major success story. Better options out there, imo.

 

For £6.7m, I think he'd have been a snip tbh. We're thin on the ground for CH's and he'd have been a great addition personally.

 

Meh, still think there are better options. Would rather just go for Campbell for £3m or something. Pricey for a 32-year-old but unquestionably worth it, imo.

 

At the minute, our options at CH are a crocked Taylor, Ramage, Huntington and Rozehnal.

 

Andrade would have been a great signing and would significantly lessen the chances of seeing Ramage this season. This would be a good thing. 

[Yorkie]

Meh, still think there are better options. Would rather just go for Campbell for £3m or something. Pricey for a 32-year-old but unquestionably worth it, imo.

 

Thing is Campbell only managed 20-odd games last season. Well worth it for free at the time, but a year on and a few million and I'm not sure. We missed a good opportunity to sign him and Roeder made a mistake to turn him down, but we should move on to other targets now.

 

I think it's the most important part of the pitch to have consistency. The same two CB's playing week-in, week-out is essential IMO. Ferdinand-Vidic, Carragher-Agger, Carvalho-Terry. Split those partnerships up and you start to see problems. I'm sure Campbell would come and give us 15-25 games and he'd play well in most of those, but he'd be another short term fix who would disrupt the back four by coming in and out of the side. I'd rather bring someone in who will play practically every game of the season.

 

Campbell might be a bad example, i have to admit, because you're not wrong.

 

Still, if we're going to buy a Number 1 centre-back (ie, one immediately above Taylor and Rozehnal) i think i'd rather they were Premiership-based. If we were to break the bank for a top centre-back. Names that stand out for me are the likes of Yobo, Campbell, Toure, Woodgate. Unfortunately you'd probably have a decent case for saying that not one of those are realistic (obviously Woodgate), but they're just examples.

 

Which is why i suppose it's a better bet looking on the continent.

 

I just don't know. The money could well be there, and in an ideal world we might be able to stick a £10m bid in for Yobo and get him. But it's difficult to see.

 

Meh. I'm sure Sam's got something up his sleeve. That's been pretty much my whole attitude towards signings in all honesty. Only one player i really, really wanted us to go for was Viduka - because it would have been daft to miss out on a free. And he got him. All his other signings i've just nodded along happily with. Leave it to Sam, he's done alright so far.

[Optimistic Nut]

He does have something up his sleeve...Edmilson in January but a certain person doesn't want him.

[Yorkie]

If he costs £3.3m and is on £80,000-a-week, it's perfectly pointless.

[Optimistic Nut]

If he's the difference between another mid-table finish and making us solid enough to finish top 6, then it's not pointless at all.

[Yorkie]

Well, no one can judge that at all, but i'll hedge my best and say with confidence that he wouldn't be. Chances are, he wouldn't even be first choice. And even if he were to be, there's a colossal array of other continental players who are more appropriate and/or cheaper, who could do the same job.

 

He's an injury prone player who, on the whole, is regarded as mediocre. Personally know absolutely nothing about him, but other than Sicko2ndbest and his list of world class individuals, no one's said owt startling about him. Can't even speak English apparantely? Hardly the experienced player that we need to bring on the likes of Taylor and Huntington and the rest.

 

If he's going for £1m or something, and is on half those wages, and on a short contract like two years or something - it's a decent deal, because he's got some experience and can cover more than one position. And is another body on the cheap.

 

£3.3m + £80k a week for three years or whatever it was, accumulates to something totally daft and not worth it. Could get someone so much better for that.

[Optimistic Nut]

Who's mentioned £3.3m & £80k a week like?

[Yorkie]

Who's mentioned £3.3m & £80k a week like?

 

Fairly sure those figures were mentioned somewhere. Was why we'd supposedly 'backed off'...

 

Someone can correct me if i'm wrong and i'll humbly apologise - but i'm fairly sure there was something like that said.

[Yorkie]

PS - you're seemingly forgetting his 6-month injury, which is the blatantly obvious turn-off for me. Regardless of the fee, and regardless of whatever we pay him a week, we'll have paid him a lot of money to do absolutely nothing, but use up our medical appliances and sit on the injury tables; merely hoping that a cultured and 30+ defender who's played nowhere but Spain, might adjust to the Premiership whilst trying to fit into a completely new lifestyle.

 

Just not worth it. I say there's better options than Andrade... there is a mountain of better options than Edmilson.

[Optimistic Nut]

He does have something up his sleeve...Edmilson in January but a certain person doesn't want him.

 

Which funnily enough is about 6 months time.

[Optimistic Nut]

PS - you're seemingly forgetting his 6-month injury, which is the blatantly obvious turn-off for me. Regardless of the fee, and regardless of whatever we pay him a week, we'll have paid him a lot of money to do absolutely nothing, but use up our medical appliances and sit on the injury tables; merely hoping that a cultured and 30+ defender who's played nowhere but Spain, might adjust to the Premiership whilst trying to fit into a completely new lifestyle.

 

Just not worth it. I say there's better options than Andrade... there is a mountain of better options than Edmilson.

 

You could say the same about Rozehnal.

[Yorkie]

Ah, well either way. The risk factor still stands. Who, in July, agrees a signing to go through January the 1st, anyway?

 

Just don't see the bother in the hassle over this. Not pro this signing at all.

 

Fortunately, i reckon we've probably moved on anyway.

[Optimistic Nut]

If he's injured then it's not that ridiculous. Remember Man Utd agreed to sign van Nistelrooy a year before he actually went due to injury, Gazza to Lazio another example.

[Baggio]

Well, no one can judge that at all, but i'll hedge my best and say with confidence that he wouldn't be. Chances are, he wouldn't even be first choice. And even if he were to be, there's a colossal array of other continental players who are more appropriate and/or cheaper, who could do the same job.

 

He's an injury prone player who, on the whole, is regarded as mediocre. Personally know absolutely nothing about him, but other than Sicko2ndbest and his list of world class individuals, no one's said owt startling about him. Can't even speak English apparantely? Hardly the experienced player that we need to bring on the likes of Taylor and Huntington and the rest.

 

If he's going for £1m or something, and is on half those wages, and on a short contract like two years or something - it's a decent deal, because he's got some experience and can cover more than one position. And is another body on the cheap.

 

£3.3m + £80k a week for three years or whatever it was, accumulates to something totally daft and not worth it. Could get someone so much better for that.

 

So you are arguing against him even though you know nothing about him?

 

Have you ever seen him play?

[Yorkie]

PS - you're seemingly forgetting his 6-month injury, which is the blatantly obvious turn-off for me. Regardless of the fee, and regardless of whatever we pay him a week, we'll have paid him a lot of money to do absolutely nothing, but use up our medical appliances and sit on the injury tables; merely hoping that a cultured and 30+ defender who's played nowhere but Spain, might adjust to the Premiership whilst trying to fit into a completely new lifestyle.

 

Just not worth it. I say there's better options than Andrade... there is a mountain of better options than Edmilson.

 

You could say the same about Rozehnal.

 

Which bit are you referring to? All bold bits are irrelevant, so presumably you're referring to the better options bits.

 

If that's the case, then in this case - i'm just as oblivious to Rozehnal's technical ability that i am to Edmilson's. I know nowt about him. But he's regarded as one of the top centre-backs in the French league, he has an excellent appearance record showing no injuries, Sam's wanted him for yonks - clearly having scouted him an awful lot in 2007, and he's the coccyx of a very strong Czech side. I'll trust Sam on this one, for now.

[Yorkie]

Well, no one can judge that at all, but i'll hedge my best and say with confidence that he wouldn't be. Chances are, he wouldn't even be first choice. And even if he were to be, there's a colossal array of other continental players who are more appropriate and/or cheaper, who could do the same job.

 

He's an injury prone player who, on the whole, is regarded as mediocre. Personally know absolutely nothing about him, but other than Sicko2ndbest and his list of world class individuals, no one's said owt startling about him. Can't even speak English apparantely? Hardly the experienced player that we need to bring on the likes of Taylor and Huntington and the rest.

 

If he's going for £1m or something, and is on half those wages, and on a short contract like two years or something - it's a decent deal, because he's got some experience and can cover more than one position. And is another body on the cheap.

 

£3.3m + £80k a week for three years or whatever it was, accumulates to something totally daft and not worth it. Could get someone so much better for that.

 

So you are arguing against him even though you know nothing about him?

 

Have you ever seen him play?

 

You fucking thick? "I know nowt about him". Aye mate, seen every game he's played.

 

I don't need to have seen him play to know that i'd rather opt against the signing.

 

/ He's injury prone

/ He'd apparantely command huge wages

/ Barcelona are apparantely asking for a significant transfer fee

/ He's totally inexperienced in this league

/ He can't even speak English

/ Either way, he'll have had a six-month injury lay-off meaning he may not come back the same player and will further hinder his ability to adapt to a totally different league

/ He's in his thirties, again hindering his ability to adapt to the league

/ From a human point of view, we'd be asking him to move him and whatever family he has into a completely new lifestyle, again hindering his ability to adapt to the league

 

There's just no need, there are so many other options!!!

[ohmelads]

Think it was the Guardian mentioned £3.3M and one of the other broadsheets mentioned 100K a week more recently, after another had said he wants 80K a week. But the Chronicle/Journal in the last couple of days said we're still interested, so either those figures are really exaggerated or Big Sam is desperate to get him. The local rags have had their fingers on the pulse this summer with regards to transfer activity so my guess is we haven't heard the last of this one.

[Yorkie]

There are two scenarios for Edmilson. The first; he's being brought in to be our number 1 defender, to play alongside Taylor, and be this experienced centre-half that'll bring our younger defenders on. The second; he's another squad-filler like Rozehnal, just bolstering the defensive options.

 

If the prices are correct, and his 6-month injury lay off is an accurate assessment, neither scenario is worth it. Especially when there will be so many other options out there. We could go anywhere on the continent and pay five million Euros for a decent defender.

 

The first isn't worth it because: He's brought in to lead a Premiership defense, when he's got no Premiership experience and apparantely can't even speak English. It'd take him a while to adapt and he's got an immediate injury to comprehend, on top of a poor medical record. Plus, it'd be more profitable to spend big on a top defender.

 

The second isn't worth it because: He'd be a squad player on a fucking massive  wage. On top of all the adaptability/injury problems.

 

What i'm saying, and my general point over the whole Edmilson debate is, it's just not worth the hassle. You just have to look at the facts. I don't have to have studied his career and watched him play every game for Barca - it's blatantly obvious that we could go elsewhere and sign someone more appropriate.

[Baggio]

You f****** thick? "I know nowt about him". Aye mate, seen every game he's played.

 

First of all I'd appreciate it if you didn't insult me. Now I've seen plenty of players play without knowing anything about them so the question is hardly out of place, you also seem more against this transfer than anyone which is surprising if you've never actually seen the lad play, if I've never seen anyone play I reserve judgement until I have.

 

 

/ He's injury prone

 

IS he? He's had some major operations on his right knee but that hasn't affected his ability in the past, this operation was scheduled to take place when the season was over just to correct what wasn't done properly the time before, it's not as if he's broke down again.

 

/ He'd apparantely command huge wages

 

Which is paper talk, we don't know what he's asked for or what we're prepared to offer.

 

 

/ Barcelona are apparantely asking for a significant transfer fee

 

Again paper talk, one paper reports £3.3 million where as the local paper report a minimal fee.

 

/ He's totally inexperienced in this league

 

Most foreign players are tbh, that's a risk you take with any foreign player coming into this country.

 

/ He can't even speak English

 

"Me Tarzan, you Jane"

 

Both Newcastle and Allardyce have signed plenty of players who don't speak English, that's why they employ people to translate for them until they learn the lingo.

 

/ Either way, he'll have had a six-month injury lay-off meaning he may not come back the same player and will further hinder his ability to adapt to a totally different league

 

His injuries haven't really affected his ability in the past, not all knee surgery is a threat to a players ability, Scott Parkers for example wasn't the sort of surgery that would do that and I haven't heard anything about this injury being career threatening, it's not as if he's had extensive surgery like Owen, Bellamy etc.

 

/ He's in his thirties, again hindering his ability to adapt to the league

 

Most people were in favour of Allardyce coming here because he can get the best out of players, at Bolton getting the best out of aging foreign players is what he dome best and made a success out of it, I can't see why he couldn't do it again here, he seems to think he can otherwise he wouldn't be targeting him.

 

/ From a human point of view, we'd be asking him to move him and whatever family he has into a completely new lifestyle, again hindering his ability to adapt to the league

 

He adapted to life in France from Brazil so I can't see why he wouldn't adapt to the lifestyle here.

 

There's just no need, there are so many other options!!!

 

Is there? Allardyce doesn't seem to think so or otherwise he still wouldn't be chasing him.

[Yorkie]

/ He's injury prone

 

IS he?

 

Yeah.

 

/ He'd apparantely command huge wages

 

Which is paper talk, we don't know what he's asked for or what we're prepared to offer.

 

 

/ Barcelona are apparantely asking for a significant transfer fee

 

Again paper talk, one paper reports £3.3 million where as the local paper report a minimal fee.

 

 

Yeah, that's all hypothetical. Earlier in the thread - i said that if he was on smaller wages and there was a smaller fee, it'd be a decent enough deal.

 

There's just no need, there are so many other options!!!

 

Is there? Allardyce doesn't seem to think so or otherwise he still wouldn't be chasing him.

 

This regads to everything else and i still stand by this tbh. Not worth the hassle. There are loads of other players that are more appropriate, it's all a matter of opinions isn't it. Besides, i'd like to see us spend big on a centre-back. 

 

Apologies for the insult.

[Baggio]

I'd like to see us spend big on a CB too but nobody springs to mind who would come here in the position we're in, there's also a doubt in my mind as to how much money we have to spend, I don't think Edmilson would be coming here as a defender either so it shouldn't disrupt our search for a CB.

 

 

[ohmelads]

A quick look at Edmilson's history reveals he's had injury problems all the way back to his young days playing in Brazil. At 31 and out for another 4-6 months, I think it's fair to say those injuries probably aren't going to go away.

 

We should really be looking at Marquez, who it seems will now be leaving Barcelona. They already have Puyol and Thuram and have put an 18M euro bid in for Milito. They're not looking to sell Marquez but it's widely predicted that once they get Milito (which now looks imminent) he'll be available. Atletico Madrid are linked.