KaKa Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 If Liverpool offered Cisse, Hyypia and £5 million for Owen who would have that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest smoggeordie Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 If Liverpool offered Cisse, Hyypia and £5 million for Owen who would have that? Not me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nguyen Van Falk Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 "some good signings by the toon. always liked viduka - would loved to have seen him here....with a few more additions i honestly believe the toon will stay up next season..." From gg-chat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Nope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Lahm is a RB plays there for Germany and Chelsea wanted him to fill that position last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Does anyone know this? How long has Sam had Bolton as a 4-5-1 side? Good few years now... Honestly can't see anything other than a 4-3-3/4-5-1. He isn't really a 4-4-2 man. I know he's got the funds and the backing now, but there's no reason for why he should change a formula that he's proved does work. Owen and Martins make this formation almost impossible to play. Everytime I see people's formations with Martins and Owen as wide forwards in a 4-3-3 it makes me cringe, as they are not the type of players who can play in that role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 If Liverpool offered Cisse, Hyypia and £5 million for Owen who would have that? No. I'd rather just buy Hyypia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Lahm is a RB plays there for Germany and Chelsea wanted him to fill that position last season. He's a capable LB too. I'll get the mad professor to clone him and we'll buy two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Does anyone know this? How long has Sam had Bolton as a 4-5-1 side? Good few years now... Honestly can't see anything other than a 4-3-3/4-5-1. He isn't really a 4-4-2 man. I know he's got the funds and the backing now, but there's no reason for why he should change a formula that he's proved does work. Owen and Martins make this formation almost impossible to play. Everytime I see people's formations with Martins and Owen as wide forwards in a 4-3-3 it makes me cringe, as they are not the type of players who can play in that role. Owen maybe not, though it's worth giving it a shot (if it works, it'll be awesome, if it doesn't, so be it - another reason to sell him), but i think Martins could maybe work as a wide forward. He was never a centre-forward in the first place, he was just forced into that position last season because there was no one else. We just don't know yet, but i can imagine Allardyce is willing to give it a shot, because like i say, if he gets it to work it'll be immense. Worth a gamble. Also, the signing of Viduka suggests to me that he probably is planning a formation such as this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Just one signing that grabs us by the balls and makes everyone take notice of us again. It would make a change to make a few signings that weren't attention-seeking, and actually did us some good in the long term. Completely agree. It's high time we went about things in a quiet and calculated manner without attempting to grab the headlines seemingly just for the sake of it. Also, it'd be nice to surprise some people next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 If you're happy to settle for simply finishing 6th to 8th, then great, Viduka, Ben Haim & Barton are perfect. But I reckon with a couple of top-class signings to add to that, Arsenal & Spurs are there for the taking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 If you're happy to settle for simply finishing 6th to 8th, then great, Viduka, Ben Haim & Barton are perfect. But I reckon with a couple of top-class signings to add to that, Arsenal & Spurs are there for the taking. Next season, i couldn't possibly ask for anything more. EDIT: And besides, them three are all very good Premiership players. Ben Haim was the chief instigator in a Top 6 defense, Joey Barton was Man City's creative player (potentially one of the most tenacious players in the bottom half), and Viduka scored 19 goals last season. We aren't signing un-proven maybes from the drags. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest smoggeordie Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 If you're happy to settle for simply finishing 6th to 8th, then great, Viduka, Ben Haim & Barton are perfect. But I reckon with a couple of top-class signings to add to that, Arsenal & Spurs are there for the taking. 6th to 8 next season would be brilliant IMO, but aye, in the coming years they're both overtakable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 I thought we'd stopped looking to buy quick fixes? I thought we were starting to rebuild the club from the ground up? How can any manager do anything constructive with this club if he's expected to finish top 4 instantly or whatever? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 If you're happy to settle for simply finishing 6th to 8th, then great, Viduka, Ben Haim & Barton are perfect. But I reckon with a couple of top-class signings to add to that, Arsenal & Spurs are there for the taking. Next season, i couldn't possibly ask for anything more. Why not though? With the new money coming in we mightn't get a better chance to finish 4th next season, especially with what's going on at Arsenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 If you're happy to settle for simply finishing 6th to 8th, then great, Viduka, Ben Haim & Barton are perfect. But I reckon with a couple of top-class signings to add to that, Arsenal & Spurs are there for the taking. I'd be happy with that tbh, it would show clear improvement. Then we can think about spending to get to the next level. No point going out and spending really big this year, we're trying to rebuild. Top class signings can be made without all the fanfare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 I thought we'd stopped looking to buy quick fixes? I thought we were starting to rebuild the club from the ground up? How can any manager do anything constructive with this club if he's expected to finish top 4 instantly or whatever? Spot on, Keefaz. If we finish 9th next season, and atleast maybe pushed for a European place, i'll be chuffed. Would be interesting to hear his thoughts - but i doubt Brummie is too displeased with Villa's final position, in spite of the potential they showed at the start of the season. Considering that they were a team that would inevitably have gone down sooner or later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 I thought we'd stopped looking to buy quick fixes? I thought we were starting to rebuild the club from the ground up? How can any manager do anything constructive with this club if he's expected to finish top 4 instantly or whatever? If Allardyce had been our manager last season we'd have finished around 6th to 8th last season imo anyway. To finish there next season wouldn't be a great achievement to me. I'm not talking about splashing £15m on 2 or 3 players here by the way. I'm talking of someone like Giuly & Salgado. Two players who'd make us much better, and would make the rest of the division and even Europe start taking notice of us again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 If you're happy to settle for simply finishing 6th to 8th, then great, Viduka, Ben Haim & Barton are perfect. But I reckon with a couple of top-class signings to add to that, Arsenal & Spurs are there for the taking. Next season, i couldn't possibly ask for anything more. Why not though? With the new money coming in we mightn't get a better chance to finish 4th next season, especially with what's going on at Arsenal. Because i'm realistic. These things take time. Bobby Robson was a top class coach with money to spend, and he was into his third season before we were going places. Don't expect too much too fast. I know the stereotypical Geordie fan wants "Newcastle to be winning everything and in the Top 4 right away" (more of a media cliche, tbf), but it really shouldn't be the case just now. If we were to be anywhere near the Top 4 next season, we'd have overachieved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Disagree pushing top 4 would be over-achieving. We've hugely underachieved the last 2 seasons. 6th to 8th is where we should always be with the personnel we've got and a half decent coach. Now we've got a better coach and cash, we should be looking higher surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 I thought we'd stopped looking to buy quick fixes? I thought we were starting to rebuild the club from the ground up? How can any manager do anything constructive with this club if he's expected to finish top 4 instantly or whatever? If Allardyce had been our manager last season we'd have finished around 6th to 8th last season imo anyway. To finish there next season wouldn't be a great achievement to me. I'm not talking about splashing £15m on 2 or 3 players here by the way. I'm talking of someone like Giuly & Salgado. Two players who'd make us much better, and would make the rest of the division and even Europe start taking notice of us again. I'd rather people took notice because of what we do on the pitch rather than who we buy. I don't think we need the latter to help the former. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Disagree pushing top 4 would be over-achieving. We've hugely underachieved the last 2 seasons. 6th to 8th is where we should always be with the personnel we've got and a half decent coach. Now we've got a better coach and cash, we should be looking higher surely? Tell you what, if we winish 7/8/9th, without barely touching the Top 4, i'll be happy. You might not be, but i will be - because this is a tranitional period. New squad, new owner, new spending, new staff, probably a new way of playing. Everything's changing and it isn't like turning on a lightswitch. The expectation should be top half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes1986 Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 People who are expecting a top four finish next season are expecting too much too soon. We have money but we are also gonna probably have half a team full of new players. Maybe in a year or two we can push to get back into the top four. Top 6 would be great for now though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 I thought we'd stopped looking to buy quick fixes? I thought we were starting to rebuild the club from the ground up? How can any manager do anything constructive with this club if he's expected to finish top 4 instantly or whatever? If Allardyce had been our manager last season we'd have finished around 6th to 8th last season imo anyway. To finish there next season wouldn't be a great achievement to me. I'm not talking about splashing £15m on 2 or 3 players here by the way. I'm talking of someone like Giuly & Salgado. Two players who'd make us much better, and would make the rest of the division and even Europe start taking notice of us again. Salgado is average though and Giuly isn't much of an improvement on Dyer. If the club want to progress we need a rock solid back four, something opposition teams will struggle to break down away from home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peter Pan Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Lahm is a RB plays there for Germany and Chelsea wanted him to fill that position last season. Nope. Lahm is LB for Bayern and Germany. Sagnol plays Rb for Bayern... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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