AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I give up. If people want to believe that we did everything possible to keep Carroll and made it absolutely clear to him that we wanted him more than we wanted the cash then that's their prerogative. I wasn't there so I can't say for certain. I'm fairly certain it would take a very big lad to force him into a helicopter. I'm also happy to call him a cunt. Also, very much depends on what you mean by "everything possible". The club could have (a) refused to even let him speak to Liverpool and rejected all the bids and (b) offered him £100k a week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pie Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I give up. If people want to believe that we did everything possible to keep Carroll and made it absolutely clear to him that we wanted him more than we wanted the cash then that's their prerogative. I wasn't there so I can't say for certain. I'm fairly certain it would take a very big lad to force him into a helicopter. I'm also happy to call him a cunt. Also, very much depends on what you mean by "everything possible". The club could have (a) refused to even let him speak to Liverpool and rejected all the bids and (b) offered him £100k a week. Greedy cunt had just happily signed a new contract so I am pretty sure he was after the filthy lucre. Liverpool have a history but they are never going to dominate the way they used to. So perhaps he was after medals but I doubt it. Mercenary cunt. Like them all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I give up. If people want to believe that we did everything possible to keep Carroll and made it absolutely clear to him that we wanted him more than we wanted the cash then that's their prerogative. Unfortunately the PR machine at this club will continue to blind the masses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Fucking hippy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I give up. If people want to believe that we did everything possible to keep Carroll and made it absolutely clear to him that we wanted him more than we wanted the cash then that's their prerogative. Unfortunately the PR machine at this club will continue to blind the masses. Howay both of you, it's just childish to reduce opposing arguments like this. There have been a lot of reasonable posts about the club's actions, for and against. Sniping like this is stupid. Also, Ashley has the worst PR machine ever, I doubt it's capable of blinding anyone to anything! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Bad omens: The Enrique thread has prematurely turned into the Carroll thread! Poor Jose hasn't even got a mention on this page! I agree let's go back to Enrique, discussion on Carroll can be posted in his thread. Let's not sully the name of Enrique with the cunt Carroll! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Antec Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 We should definitely sell Enrique, just think what we could do with the money. He's easily replaced, there are dozens of better left backs out there, just don't ask me to name them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 We should definitely sell Enrique, just think what we could do with the money. He's easily replaced, there are dozens of better left backs out there, just don't ask me to name them Please do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 We should definitely sell Enrique, just think what we could do with the money. He's easily replaced, there are dozens of better left backs out there, just don't ask me to name them who said that? Shit strawman argument there. For what it's worth, I think Enrique is a better LB than Carroll is as a striker so it would be more difficult to find a replacement for Enrique. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I give up. If people want to believe that we did everything possible to keep Carroll and made it absolutely clear to him that we wanted him more than we wanted the cash then that's their prerogative. Unfortunately the PR machine at this club will continue to blind the masses. Howay both of you, it's just childish to reduce opposing arguments like this. There have been a lot of reasonable posts about the club's actions, for and against. Sniping like this is stupid. Also, Ashley has the worst PR machine ever, I doubt it's capable of blinding anyone to anything! You say that as thousands join "Andy Carroll is a Judas cunt" groups on Facebook, and rush back their renewal packs. We should definitely sell Enrique, just think what we could do with the money. He's easily replaced, there are dozens of better left backs out there, just don't ask me to name them Herita Illunga. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Antec Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 We should definitely sell Enrique, just think what we could do with the money. He's easily replaced, there are dozens of better left backs out there, just don't ask me to name them who said that? Shit strawman argument there. For what it's worth, I think Enrique is a better LB than Carroll is as a striker so it would be more difficult to find a replacement for Enrique. Errrr I said that Have you figured out who all these strikers are yet who are better than Carroll? Of course they'll have to be fairly cheap and on low wages too. Over to you, take your time. 5 or 6 names will do to start off withh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 It's not even about great players though, often it's not even local players but those have come through the ranks at a club, they are the identity of that club. Why did Guti survive longer than every galactico? Alex Ferguson is the master at it. He's not handing out contract after contract to Brown, Fletcher, O'Shea because they're the best he can get, he could find a better player than those three in a second but they are more important to him than any Ronaldo because that is how he has maintained a winning mentality at the same club for 20 years. If the players are world class like Giggs then even better, two birds with one stone. That's why Ferguson is the best ever because of the culture he has maintained, far more than any tactics or transfers. NUFC selling off not only good players but ones who we have produced makes me feel absolutely sick. It still cuts me up to see Michael Carrick playing elsewhere, Carroll will break me. Fastest track to achieving fuck all. Excellent post, highlights the folly of this idea we could and should just turn over players and expect to keep finding new ones who'll play just as well as the previous squads. When you pursue a development strategy with a club like ours, you find a good player and you hold on for grim death. Players like Enrique are players you do break any supposed wage cap for because they're absolutely blue chip - players you know will earn their wages and help make sure others will earn theirs, too. They have experience which is literally unobtainable elsewhere because they earned it here. It's one thing to limit offers made to new signings - they're unproven and could end up like Smith, so you want to limit the potential damage, but when they've proven themselves to be special, you make the necessary accommodations and harness the momentum instead of squandering it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 It's not even about great players though, often it's not even local players but those have come through the ranks at a club, they are the identity of that club. Why did Guti survive longer than every galactico? Alex Ferguson is the master at it. He's not handing out contract after contract to Brown, Fletcher, O'Shea because they're the best he can get, he could find a better player than those three in a second but they are more important to him than any Ronaldo because that is how he has maintained a winning mentality at the same club for 20 years. If the players are world class like Giggs then even better, two birds with one stone. That's why Ferguson is the best ever because of the culture he has maintained, far more than any tactics or transfers. NUFC selling off not only good players but ones who we have produced makes me feel absolutely sick. It still cuts me up to see Michael Carrick playing elsewhere, Carroll will break me. Fastest track to achieving fuck all. Excellent post, highlights the folly of this idea we could and should just turn over players and expect to keep finding new ones who'll play just as well as the previous squads. When you pursue a development strategy with a club like ours, you find a good player and you hold on for grim death. Players like Enrique are players you do break any supposed wage cap for because they're absolutely blue chip - players you know will earn their wages and help make sure others will earn theirs, too. They have experience which is literally unobtainable elsewhere because they earned it here. It's one thing to limit offers made to new signings - they're unproven and could end up like Smith, so you want to limit the potential damage, but when they've proven themselves to be special, you make the necessary accommodations and harness the momentum instead of squandering it. Spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Will be interesting to see where our only saleable assets (anytime soon) Enrique, Tiote and Ben Arfa are in 2 years time. If they are still here, I'll believe we aren't a 'selling club'. It's not even about great players though, often it's not even local players but those have come through the ranks at a club, they are the identity of that club. Why did Guti survive longer than every galactico? Alex Ferguson is the master at it. He's not handing out contract after contract to Brown, Fletcher, O'Shea because they're the best he can get, he could find a better player than those three in a second but they are more important to him than any Ronaldo because that is how he has maintained a winning mentality at the same club for 20 years. If the players are world class like Giggs then even better, two birds with one stone. That's why Ferguson is the best ever because of the culture he has maintained, far more than any tactics or transfers. NUFC selling off not only good players but ones who we have produced makes me feel absolutely sick. It still cuts me up to see Michael Carrick playing elsewhere, Carroll will break me. Fastest track to achieving fuck all. Excellent post, highlights the folly of this idea we could and should just turn over players and expect to keep finding new ones who'll play just as well as the previous squads. When you pursue a development strategy with a club like ours, you find a good player and you hold on for grim death. Players like Enrique are players you do break any supposed wage cap for because they're absolutely blue chip - players you know will earn their wages and help make sure others will earn theirs, too. They have experience which is literally unobtainable elsewhere because they earned it here. It's one thing to limit offers made to new signings - they're unproven and could end up like Smith, so you want to limit the potential damage, but when they've proven themselves to be special, you make the necessary accommodations and harness the momentum instead of squandering it. Two great posts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Antec Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 It's not even about great players though, often it's not even local players but those have come through the ranks at a club, they are the identity of that club. Why did Guti survive longer than every galactico? Alex Ferguson is the master at it. He's not handing out contract after contract to Brown, Fletcher, O'Shea because they're the best he can get, he could find a better player than those three in a second but they are more important to him than any Ronaldo because that is how he has maintained a winning mentality at the same club for 20 years. If the players are world class like Giggs then even better, two birds with one stone. That's why Ferguson is the best ever because of the culture he has maintained, far more than any tactics or transfers. NUFC selling off not only good players but ones who we have produced makes me feel absolutely sick. It still cuts me up to see Michael Carrick playing elsewhere, Carroll will break me. Fastest track to achieving fuck all. Excellent post, highlights the folly of this idea we could and should just turn over players and expect to keep finding new ones who'll play just as well as the previous squads. When you pursue a development strategy with a club like ours, you find a good player and you hold on for grim death. Players like Enrique are players you do break any supposed wage cap for because they're absolutely blue chip - players you know will earn their wages and help make sure others will earn theirs, too. They have experience which is literally unobtainable elsewhere because they earned it here. It's one thing to limit offers made to new signings - they're unproven and could end up like Smith, so you want to limit the damage, but when they've proven themselves to be special, you make the necessary accommodations and harness the momentum instead of squandering it. Spot on, unless the club isn't looking to progress of course Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 It's not even about great players though, often it's not even local players but those have come through the ranks at a club, they are the identity of that club. Why did Guti survive longer than every galactico? Alex Ferguson is the master at it. He's not handing out contract after contract to Brown, Fletcher, O'Shea because they're the best he can get, he could find a better player than those three in a second but they are more important to him than any Ronaldo because that is how he has maintained a winning mentality at the same club for 20 years. If the players are world class like Giggs then even better, two birds with one stone. That's why Ferguson is the best ever because of the culture he has maintained, far more than any tactics or transfers. NUFC selling off not only good players but ones who we have produced makes me feel absolutely sick. It still cuts me up to see Michael Carrick playing elsewhere, Carroll will break me. Fastest track to achieving f*** all. Excellent post, highlights the folly of this idea we could and should just turn over players and expect to keep finding new ones who'll play just as well as the previous squads. When you pursue a development strategy with a club like ours, you find a good player and you hold on for grim death. Players like Enrique are players you do break any supposed wage cap for because they're absolutely blue chip - players you know will earn their wages and help make sure others will earn theirs, too. They have experience which is literally unobtainable elsewhere because they earned it here. It's one thing to limit offers made to new signings - they're unproven and could end up like Smith, so you want to limit the potential damage, but when they've proven themselves to be special, you make the necessary accommodations and harness the momentum instead of squandering it. Two posts I'm 100 % behind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 It's not even about great players though, often it's not even local players but those have come through the ranks at a club, they are the identity of that club. Why did Guti survive longer than every galactico? Alex Ferguson is the master at it. He's not handing out contract after contract to Brown, Fletcher, O'Shea because they're the best he can get, he could find a better player than those three in a second but they are more important to him than any Ronaldo because that is how he has maintained a winning mentality at the same club for 20 years. If the players are world class like Giggs then even better, two birds with one stone. That's why Ferguson is the best ever because of the culture he has maintained, far more than any tactics or transfers. NUFC selling off not only good players but ones who we have produced makes me feel absolutely sick. It still cuts me up to see Michael Carrick playing elsewhere, Carroll will break me. Fastest track to achieving fuck all. Excellent post, highlights the folly of this idea we could and should just turn over players and expect to keep finding new ones who'll play just as well as the previous squads. When you pursue a development strategy with a club like ours, you find a good player and you hold on for grim death. Players like Enrique are players you do break any supposed wage cap for because they're absolutely blue chip - players you know will earn their wages and help make sure others will earn theirs, too. They have experience which is literally unobtainable elsewhere because they earned it here. It's one thing to limit offers made to new signings - they're unproven and could end up like Smith, so you want to limit the potential damage, but when they've proven themselves to be special, you make the necessary accommodations and harness the momentum instead of squandering it. Two cracking posts, although I think the situations are very different. Carroll went for an astronomical fee which it could be argued will be used to develop a much stronger all round squad. The money we will get for Enrique will be peanuts. £8m tops would be my guess and for that we will end up buying an inferior player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 According to the papers we won't accept less than £12m for Enrique. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocksammy Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 According to the papers we won't accept less than £12m for Enrique. considering we bought him for 6 (?) mill i would want a bit more to be satisfied with the sale Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 We should definitely sell Enrique, just think what we could do with the money. He's easily replaced, there are dozens of better left backs out there, just don't ask me to name them who said that? s*** strawman argument there. For what it's worth, I think Enrique is a better LB than Carroll is as a striker so it would be more difficult to find a replacement for Enrique. Errrr I said that Have you figured out who all these strikers are yet who are better than Carroll? Of course they'll have to be fairly cheap and on low wages too. Over to you, take your time. 5 or 6 names will do to start off withh I can name more than 5-6 players better than Carroll but I wouldn't know how much they would cost or their wages, that would all be speculation. For starters I think Dzeko, Suarez, Forlan, Milto are all better than Carroll, could come out with more if I really did care to play your petty game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 According to the papers we won't accept less than £12m for Enrique. Get in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 According to the papers we won't accept less than £12m for Enrique. Good to hear we're saying that he's up for sale then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Look at the wages of players in Man Utd/Liverpool (nevermind Man City) and check their revenue generated last year and their financial position. We are heading towards a mid-level team because we does not have an owner who is willing to spend his own cash on the club. Is this something we could blame? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 According to the papers we won't accept less than £12m for Enrique. Good to hear we're saying that he's up for sale then. Maybe they are adopting reverse psychology after the Carroll situation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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