BottledDog Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 My thoughts, not that anyone gives a shit. I suspect that Jose had his mind made up long before Carroll was sold, probably last summer, that he was leaving this summer. One big season in the premier league shop window and that's me away, he thought. Off to a big club and hopefully the national side. If Jose is frustrated right now, it has little or nothing to do with Ashley / our transfer policy. It's because he expected to be starting pre season at new club, but no fucker's came in for him. Tend to agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 My thoughts, not that anyone gives a shit. I suspect that Jose had his mind made up long before Carroll was sold, probably last summer, that he was leaving this summer. One big season in the premier league shop window and that's me away, he thought. Off to a big club and hopefully the national side. If Jose is frustrated right now, it has little or nothing to do with Ashley / our transfer policy. It's because he expected to be starting pre season at new club, but no fucker's came in for him. I generally agree with this post. I think the no ambition thing is just a smokescreen to help get the fans on his side more than anything. That's basically it, as regards the outburst. Engineer a move but divert the blame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 If that is the case, what is 'the blame'? And why would any diversion make it acceptable that another of our best players wants to leave? At what point do you stop and wonder why our best players keep wanting to leave? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 One desired effect of Jose's outburst will of course have been to reduce the price we can get for him. The only people who can reduce the price is us. Why Cunny Dalglish has suddenly decided to play wheeler dealer after spaffing £20m on Jordan Henderson is beyond me. I don't see why we are obliged to drop the price because Enrique's following the scouse prompts. Its beyond me how you cant see they are two totally different situations. Henderson is English, overrated, younger and had years on his contract and his club/himself didnt want to leave. Whereas we could see Jose sign a pre contract in 6 months, wants to go and any chance of getting a fee for him reduces by the day. I just don't see why Enrique should be able to dictate the price by throwing a strop on behalf of his new scouse overlords. Yes we will have to compromise but that was always going to be the case anyway. It's not a case of Jose throws a hissy and we drop a couple of million on cue. Who is to say what price it will/should be though, his strop hasnt really changed anything? Ash Young went for £16m, NZogbia for £9.5m both in the same boat although attacking players in general cost more. I said a while ago we may well end up getting £5m and push for heavy future incentives due to the how long we have and it still wouldnt be terrible(obviously in the silly sense that we will replace him properly) unless we end up with some shite at LB for a fraction of that amount. Fine but the post I was responding to initially was by ozziemandias which read: One desired effect of Jose's outburst will of course have been to reduce the price we can get for him. It has the effect of alerting clubs to the fact that he definitely, 100% wants away. It also wrecks any chance at all of him signing a new contract. We now have to sell, if we can. It's an incentive for clubs to wait until the last minute of the transfer window to come in with a meagre offer in the hope of taking advantage. We no longer have any position of strength in terms of negotiation. Fuck knows why half the people on here have been celebrating his self-serving tweets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Who celebrated? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Who celebrated? All those people over there with the party poppers and the bottles of sparkling wine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 considering pardew said it looks like Enrique doesn't want to negotiate with us, and that he wants to leave the club, i don't think his tweets have changed much at all actually. the idea that the tweet has suddenly "alerted" clubs to his availability is far fetched. i also don't think enrique tweeted as some sort of clever strategic ploy. to the contrary i'd say it wasnt particularly bright on his part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 considering pardew said it looks like Enrique doesn't want to negotiate with us, and that he wants to leave the club, i don't think his tweets have changed much at all actually. the idea that the tweet has suddenly "alerted" clubs to his availability is far fetched. i also don't think enrique tweeted as some sort of clever strategic ploy. to the contrary i'd say it wasnt particularly bright on his part. I think they were just born out of frustration as to the fact that he is still here and clearly doesn't want to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 If that is the case, what is 'the blame'? And why would any diversion make it acceptable that another of our best players wants to leave? At what point do you stop and wonder why our best players keep wanting to leave? By "blame" i meant that Jose wants away but wants somebody else to be the bad guy. Ie Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Still absolutely beyond me why Liverpool haven't made a move for him like. Reckon these comments were half anger at the clubs total lack of ambition, half a "come get me" plea to the big clubs. Cant say I blame the lad for wanting to leave like, if we'd showed theslightest bit of ambition to progress then I think he'd be happy to stay, at theend of day his career must come first, and here, its going no where. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 End of August and Liverpool will make a move and we will end up with no left back, this is my biggest fear for the season. It will happen, i can see it from a mile away.l Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_F Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Still absolutely beyond me why Liverpool haven't made a move for him like. Reckon these comments were half anger at the clubs total lack of ambition, half a "come get me" plea to the big clubs. Cant say I blame the lad for wanting to leave like, if we'd showed theslightest bit of ambition to progress then I think he'd be happy to stay, at theend of day his career must come first, and here, its going no where. We have progressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 End of August and Liverpool will make a move and we will end up with no left back, this is my biggest fear for the season. It will happen, i can see it from a mile away.l Only Tioté can see from that far away mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Still absolutely beyond me why Liverpool haven't made a move for him like. Reckon these comments were half anger at the clubs total lack of ambition, half a "come get me" plea to the big clubs. Cant say I blame the lad for wanting to leave like, if we'd showed theslightest bit of ambition to progress then I think he'd be happy to stay, at theend of day his career must come first, and here, its going no where. We have progressed. We had progressed. We're stagnating at the minute though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 If that is the case, what is 'the blame'? And why would any diversion make it acceptable that another of our best players wants to leave? At what point do you stop and wonder why our best players keep wanting to leave? My memory needs a refresh, do me a favour and list them all please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Still absolutely beyond me why Liverpool haven't made a move for him like. Reckon these comments were half anger at the clubs total lack of ambition, half a "come get me" plea to the big clubs. Cant say I blame the lad for wanting to leave like, if we'd showed theslightest bit of ambition to progress then I think he'd be happy to stay, at theend of day his career must come first, and here, its going no where. We have progressed. How do you mean we have progressed? I can't see how we have progressed at all seeing as the season hasn't even begun yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Still absolutely beyond me why Liverpool haven't made a move for him like. Reckon these comments were half anger at the clubs total lack of ambition, half a "come get me" plea to the big clubs. Cant say I blame the lad for wanting to leave like, if we'd showed theslightest bit of ambition to progress then I think he'd be happy to stay, at theend of day his career must come first, and here, its going no where. We have progressed. How do you mean we have progressed? I can't see how we have progressed at all seeing as the season hasn't even begun yet? BA, Mav, Cabaye, Gosling and HBA are all players that's capable of creating progress though.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Still absolutely beyond me why Liverpool haven't made a move for him like. Reckon these comments were half anger at the clubs total lack of ambition, half a "come get me" plea to the big clubs. Cant say I blame the lad for wanting to leave like, if we'd showed theslightest bit of ambition to progress then I think he'd be happy to stay, at theend of day his career must come first, and here, its going no where. We have progressed. How do you mean we have progressed? I can't see how we have progressed at all seeing as the season hasn't even begun yet? BA, Mav, Cabaye, Gosling and HBA are all players that's capable of creating progress though.. Scary as it is, it's all a case of having a bit of faith in the unknown for now imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Yeah that's how I feel, I'm playing devil's advocate a bit though. Trying to figure how Jose might see things like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Still absolutely beyond me why Liverpool haven't made a move for him like. Reckon these comments were half anger at the clubs total lack of ambition, half a "come get me" plea to the big clubs. Cant say I blame the lad for wanting to leave like, if we'd showed theslightest bit of ambition to progress then I think he'd be happy to stay, at theend of day his career must come first, and here, its going no where. We have progressed. How do you mean we have progressed? I can't see how we have progressed at all seeing as the season hasn't even begun yet? BA, Mav, Cabaye, Gosling and HBA are all players that's capable of creating progress though.. Amongst other factors. Such as investing players sales solely in playing personel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Still absolutely beyond me why Liverpool haven't made a move for him like. Reckon these comments were half anger at the clubs total lack of ambition, half a "come get me" plea to the big clubs. Cant say I blame the lad for wanting to leave like, if we'd showed theslightest bit of ambition to progress then I think he'd be happy to stay, at theend of day his career must come first, and here, its going no where. We have progressed. How do you mean we have progressed? I can't see how we have progressed at all seeing as the season hasn't even begun yet? BA, Mav, Cabaye, Gosling and HBA are all players that's capable of creating progress though.. Scary as it is, it's all a case of having a bit of faith in the unknown for now imo Buying new players is risky of course.. But it's the only way to progress. The risk can however be reduced through appointing competent guys like Carr.. I have actually high hopes for this season.. Haven't had this tingling sensation since the glory days of Keegan and SBR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 :lol: Holy fucking shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Yeah that's how I feel, I'm playing devil's advocate a bit though. Trying to figure how Jose might see things like Not really arsed what he thinks tbh, Made it quite clear he wants out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chubby Jason Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Still absolutely beyond me why Liverpool haven't made a move for him like. Reckon these comments were half anger at the clubs total lack of ambition, half a "come get me" plea to the big clubs. Cant say I blame the lad for wanting to leave like, if we'd showed theslightest bit of ambition to progress then I think he'd be happy to stay, at theend of day his career must come first, and here, its going no where. We have progressed. How do you mean we have progressed? I can't see how we have progressed at all seeing as the season hasn't even begun yet? BA, Mav, Cabaye, Gosling and HBA are all players that's capable of creating progress though.. Scary as it is, it's all a case of having a bit of faith in the unknown for now imo Buying new players is risky of course.. But it's the only way to progress. The risk can however be reduced through appointing competent guys like Carr.. I have actually high hopes for this season.. Haven't had this tingling sensation since the glory days of Keegan and SBR. You sure you're not having some kind of heart attack or muscle spasm? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Somebody got to stay positive in this forum. You negative bastards!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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