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Don't you understand that nobody has said it wasn't a disaster? Keegan should have been backed and allowed to manage the team. He wasn't and that's why we are as s**** as we are now. Now can you work out for yourself why it went wrong? Huh? You seemed to be saying it wasn't an ill thought out decision. I just took that to mean you thought it was a good idea... sorry if not. I'm fully aware why it went wrong, that's why I'm saying it was a mistake.

Don't you understand that nobody has said it wasn't a disaster? Keegan should have been backed and allowed to manage the team. He wasn't and that's why we are as shite as we are now. Now can you work out for yourself why it went wrong?

Rubbish. All of it, but then you booed at consecutive top 5 finishes so it's hardly a surprise you don't have a clue.

Christ! What planet are you on, man? Post after bloody post of utter tripe. Are you trying to win a bet, or something?

It's the same debate, ffs. Why do you think I'm saying I don't think he really wants to sell?

Sounds like an ideal place and time to finalise a big deal like this. Just reinforces the idea he's not interested in selling. As I said, the tw*t doesn't want to sell the club, if he did it would be sold by now. You just have to look at how many other clubs HAVE been sold. It's so transparent he's using this "I want to sell up" to give him an excuse not to appoint a real manager and to neglect investment in the team. He's deliberately running the club down. There should be riots at the match every week but I think he's beaten everyone into apathy while he's laughing all the way to the bank. One of the questions I often ask myself is why did the SJH sell his shares to this tw*t. I'd be surprised if he wasn't aware of the type of bloke Ashley is, word gets around at those levels of business.

I still think the wide-boy doesn't want to sell the club at all, he's using it to some sort of tax advantage for his overall business interests. The worst is yet to come, he's taking the club to the wall. Looking at the state of him I wish he'd keel over and croak.

No. Not at any level in England. They're religious bigots and would cause nowt but trouble. They need us but we don't need them.

Apart from the fact that you're almost certainly wrong – no black club managers in Brazil? Prove it – what the fuck is this supposed to prove? They're even racist in Brazil so it's OK to be racist in the UK? Them nig-nogs is too stupid to be managers? Try engaging your brain before posting. He didn't say there were no black club managers in Brazil. Also, it seems to read pretty obviously that he's saying had there been a top class black manager in Brazil they'd have appointed him. The point is that there haven't been any black managers coming through that are good enough. Whether you agree with that point is a different matter, you've completely misrepresented his post though. Spot on.

You're equation is missing one important part, profit. I didn't mention anything about attendances being irrelevant. Obviously bigger attendances minimise the clubs losses. But the fact is the losses are continuing which makes the idea of Ashley hanging onto the club as he fills his pockets completely idiotic. If he's hanging onto the club then he'll be doing so to try to sell it for more if/when we're promoted. How do you know he's losing money? If we lost £20m (was it) in the last set of accounts... And we've gotten rid of £25m off the wage bill. And earned £25m in transfer fees (say...half of that up front.) And we got the parachute payment so the TV money isn't vastly reduced. And we've released 3 new strips. Isn't it possible he's not losing money this season? We lost £30m in the last published accounts. £41m in TV money has turned into £14m in parachute payments. We're currently 15% down on attendances (£5m). That's at least £32m down without even taking into account the fact that we're going to be down in merchandising as well. £25m less on wages and £25m paid in installments over the course of the next few years really doesn't cover all that. What a pity Ashley is so dumb he didn't realise a relatively small investment in the team would have kept us in the PL. Or is he dumb...?

Do you actually like anything about NUFC? Hate Shearer, hate Keegan. Love Hughton, love Ashley(?).

If a new owner comes in who wants to run the club properly then Keegan would be a decent appointment, he's a proven, quality manager and the club doesn't have a manager at all right now. However, there are others so it depends on the level of ambition any new owner has, we know the current owner has none so there's no point appointing anyone as manager. My labradors may as well be running the team.

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What's the problem then? If it was all about Gonzalez - they vindicated him. If it was about other stuff then Gonzalez - they vindicated him. We all would like to know what went on beforehand, but if you agree it would have made no difference to the outcome why are you so bothered? because the outcome in the end has little bearing on what was actually happening at the club that year. technically keegan could have been given an abramovic ammount, we could have won all our games and be seen as a better side than madrid of the late 50's and the outcome would have been the same.....the manager had a player forced on him therefore constructive dismissal. And you believe Keegan would have walked out if those things were happening? He walked because the Gonzalez affair was 'the final straw'. The club was rotten to the core and he'd had enough. We're going around in circles here. Ashley and his wide-boys are rotten to the core. Can't believe some still appear to support Ashley / slag Keegan. unfortunatly typical that you as so many others do see that one has to equal the other. Try again in English. you know what it means...as does everyone else. I don't, tbh.

What's the problem then? If it was all about Gonzalez - they vindicated him. If it was about other stuff then Gonzalez - they vindicated him. We all would like to know what went on beforehand, but if you agree it would have made no difference to the outcome why are you so bothered? because the outcome in the end has little bearing on what was actually happening at the club that year. technically keegan could have been given an abramovic ammount, we could have won all our games and be seen as a better side than madrid of the late 50's and the outcome would have been the same.....the manager had a player forced on him therefore constructive dismissal. And you believe Keegan would have walked out if those things were happening? He walked because the Gonzalez affair was 'the final straw'. The club was rotten to the core and he'd had enough. We're going around in circles here. Ashley and his wide-boys are rotten to the core. Can't believe some still appear to support Ashley / slag Keegan. unfortunatly typical that you as so many others do see that one has to equal the other. Try again in English.

What's the problem then? If it was all about Gonzalez - they vindicated him. If it was about other stuff then Gonzalez - they vindicated him. We all would like to know what went on beforehand, but if you agree it would have made no difference to the outcome why are you so bothered? because the outcome in the end has little bearing on what was actually happening at the club that year. technically keegan could have been given an abramovic ammount, we could have won all our games and be seen as a better side than madrid of the late 50's and the outcome would have been the same.....the manager had a player forced on him therefore constructive dismissal. And you believe Keegan would have walked out if those things were happening? He walked because the Gonzalez affair was 'the final straw'. The club was rotten to the core and he'd had enough. We're going around in circles here. Ashley and his wide-boys are rotten to the core. Can't believe some still appear to support Ashley / slag Keegan.

Yup, that's the first step. I was starving at halftime the other day and still didn't buy a pie, I refuse to hand over any money other than the cost of admission to the ground. On the day this joker finally sells up I'll be buying a new top, I hope many thousands do the same.

Excellent post.

It must be clear to all but the most deluded of gibbons that KK perceviered to get the judgment and all the facts out into the open regardless of cost or settlement. Keegan has denied getting any offer of an out-of-court settlement. Wise is probably just repeating the story that he would have read in the papers a few days ago. Is there no end to the s**** you post? Extract from Keegan's statement on the LMA website after the Tribunal - 'I want to state categorically that the allegation that has been made in the press that I turned down an offer of £4million to settle the claim is simply untrue. No such offer was made to me.' Over to you, mate. And if he was offered anything other than the exact sum of £4 million KK is still telling the truth btw. I believe that the way it works is - if one side wants to settle for a particular sum they "pay the money into court" which means they cough up what they want to settle for and it is stuck into an independent bank account. Once they have done that the offer to settle is official. If the final judgement on the case is for less than what was offered as a settlement then the plaintiff (KK in this case) picks up the costs. But if no money was paid into court then it's all hot air .i.e. Ashley verbally offers £3.9 million and KK says no but no money is paid into court then that = a big nothing. Just to re-iterate, because people seem to me getting a bit jumpy - I was not accusing Keegan of not telling the truth. I was accepting the truth of Keegan's statement, and saying that Wise was probably mistaken on the basis of newspaper stories. I don't believe either that Keegan is playing the kind of games that you are outlining there - ie that there was an offer, but it wasn't for £4 million, or there was an offer, but it was only verbal. Other than deflecting away from the real issues, wtf is the relevance of this stuff you're babbling on about?

It must be clear to all but the most deluded of gibbons that KK perceviered to get the judgment and all the facts out into the open regardless of cost or settlement. Keegan has denied getting any offer of an out-of-court settlement. Wise is probably just repeating the story that he would have read in the papers a few days ago. Is there no end to the shite you post?

You're being daft again. I don't know anybody who thinks the last couple of seasons under Fred were anything other than poor from the day he appointed Sourness. Stop making stuff up. The last bunch running the club remain a class apart from the likes of Ashley and his wide-boys.

Brilliant, well constructed argument. It's about as much as you're capable of understanding. Obviously. Point out to me what I said in there that's wrong then. And before you bring up the "Champions League" argument, that's not where we were when he left the club. Don't be daft, man. If you can't already appreciate the difference between Fred and Ashley I'm not about to waste my time trying to explain the obvious.

It must be clear to all but the most deluded of gibbons that KK perceviered to get the judgment and all the facts out into the open regardless of cost or settlement. if it were anybody else,everybody would say he was holding out for more money. you'd think if money was no object he'd just have told all to the press straight away and challenged ashley to sue. Kevin is holier than all of us though, he has no interest in money and materialistic goods, he simply fights the good fight to make the world a better place. Think turnip is more apt, tbh.

Brilliant, well constructed argument. It's about as much as you're capable of understanding. Obviously.