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His passing ability isn't up to it. Parker needs to be moved on regardless of what happens with Emre.

You missed this thread..... http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=36633.msg722943#msg722943

Aye. It would help if he just buggered off, tbh. He's one of the problems. If we can manage to keep Dyer/Emre fit then one of those 2 should partner Butt in the middle. Christ opinions have changed since last season...hey zeus...! Its an every changing game. To be honest Parker is probably the best all round midfielder but can seem to forge a decent partnership in the middle. Butt and Emre is probably the most effective pairing and its a team game Couldn't disagree more.

Aye. It would help if he just buggered off, tbh. He's one of the problems. If we can manage to keep Dyer/Emre fit then one of those 2 should partner Butt in the middle. Christ opinions have changed since last season...hey zeus...! Been saying it since Butt came back. Also been saying since he joined that Parker is a limitation and over-rated.

No it isn't. It's what he said earlier. 1. "it shouldn't be tolerated in any form but it's ridiculous how the use of one word is considered worse than on-pitch fighting" 2. "All i'm saying is that racism towards black people, no matter how deplorable, is often conveyed as a cardinal sin when the reality of the situation is that a word has been used." I'm sure he can speak for himself but since it's you..... Both of those points came after he wrote "any grown man offended by such an impersonal word as n***** or whatever has issues" which is why I said 'originally'. I should perhaps have written 'what you originally said in this thread' although I'm guessing everyone else got what I meant. Cheers. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You saw through me, then......

Fat bastard.

If they aren't good enough, don't pick them to play but he's actually pickling them? Does he think that this will preserve them for later on in the season when injuries will no doubt mean their sub standard abilities are required or is it some kind of unpleasant deterrent at playing poorly. The point isn't that he's picking players who aren't good enough it's that he thinks they are good enough. Oh! I agree with that point. It was the idea that Roeder is actually pickling players that aren't good enough (i.e. preserving them in vinegar or brine) that was giving me problems. I don't rate Roeder in the slightest bit as a manager. I think his tactical awareness, ability to handle pressure, team selection, handling of the media and all round submissive personality are major weaknesses. I've said it before on here. I firmly believe that, had we appointed Roeder after dismissing Sir Bobby Robson, and, then, hired Souness when it all went wrong (and it would have gone just as wrong if you ask me), we'd be in no worse a position as we are right now. Keep in mind also that I think that Graeme Souness as a top flight manager is dogshit. An interesting point but we'll never know. Souness is dogshit as a manager, not just a top flight manager, how any club could contemplate offering this w****** another job is beyond me. We'll only go so far with Roeder imo and that won't be as far as I want the club to go. However, I don't think we can get rid of him and go for a big name with a top track record until the club has regained the financial clout to back the man in the transfer market for top quality players. We need a period of stabilisation. The damage done by souness is absolutely immense and can't be underestimated imo.

No it isn't. It's what he said earlier. 1. "it shouldn't be tolerated in any form but it's ridiculous how the use of one word is considered worse than on-pitch fighting" 2. "All i'm saying is that racism towards black people, no matter how deplorable, is often conveyed as a cardinal sin when the reality of the situation is that a word has been used."

If they aren't good enough, don't pick them to play but he's actually pickling them? Does he think that this will preserve them for later on in the season when injuries will no doubt mean their sub standard abilities are required or is it some kind of unpleasant deterrent at playing poorly. The point isn't that he's picking players who aren't good enough it's that he thinks they are good enough.

Been peeking have you, son? Better be careful, booboo will be jealous.

I agree with the second bit. The first bit seems a bit irrelevent. It's canny easy to say you didn't care when (I'm guessing here) racism against you has never really been something you've had to deal with or has had an effect on your life. It's not like being called a name on holiday gives you any real insight into what a lot of black people have had to go through. Well of course you wouldn't think the first bit is relevant, racism can only exist in the UK and can only be dished out by white people. Obviously. And yet not 10 minutes ago, you had a go at me for "not addressing the point" that someone was making. Thick as f****** mince. Aye, a point someone was making that you still haven't addressed and one which you are pathetically trying to avoid by making out I'm not responding to your so-called point. You must have a really low opinion of the general membership of this forum if you think the majority won't realise. This isn't toonspastic, gemma.

I'm not sure he's the right man in the long term, but he has limited resources with which to work, expectations need to be adjusted accordingly. Over the short term he is doing a reasonable job of stabilising the club after the debacle of souness. I don't agree with his team selection yesterday but he made changes that he thought were required. You may think he put out a better side last Thursday but that would be wrong imo. We were pretty much outplayed last Thursday by a bunch of part-timers and in fact I don't recall the last time we controlled a game and won it. Changes had to be made regardless of any further injury problems he may have faced and I don't think he knows what his best team is, if there is a best team. It could be "horses for courses."

Racism shouldn't be tolerated in any form, yet you consider it "ridiculous" for a black person to take offence at being called a f****** n*****. Do you see any flaw in your argument? Self righteous....as usual. Why don't you address the ENTIRE point Ronaldo is making instead of picking on just one small piece of it....as usual? This is the context in which Ronaldo is posting his comment: "it shouldn't be tolerated in any form but it's ridiculous how the use of one word is considered worse than on-pitch fighting" What is worse, mere words of physical action? Let's use the Bowyer and Dyer incident instead. What would have been worse in your opinion, Bowyer hypothetically calling Dyer some kind of "racist name" or kicking his fúcking head in on the football pitch? Apples and oranges tbh. Both pretty f****** appalling though. By the way, have a look at Ronaldo's post up the page "any grown man offended by such an impersonal word as n***** or whatever has issues", before telling me that I'm selectively addressing what he has to say. "Cheers" I'm not surprised you avoided the main point. As usual. Thanks for responding to my post constructively. mackems.gif

I agree with the second bit. The first bit seems a bit irrelevent. It's canny easy to say you didn't care when (I'm guessing here) racism against you has never really been something you've had to deal with or has had an effect on your life. It's not like being called a name on holiday gives you any real insight into what a lot of black people have had to go through. Well of course you wouldn't think the first bit is relevant, racism can only exist in the UK and can only be dished out by white people. Obviously.

Racism shouldn't be tolerated in any form, yet you consider it "ridiculous" for a black person to take offence at being called a f****** n*****. Do you see any flaw in your argument? Self righteous....as usual. Why don't you address the ENTIRE point Ronaldo is making instead of picking on just one small piece of it....as usual? This is the context in which Ronaldo is posting his comment: "it shouldn't be tolerated in any form but it's ridiculous how the use of one word is considered worse than on-pitch fighting" What is worse, mere words of physical action? Let's use the Bowyer and Dyer incident instead. What would have been worse in your opinion, Bowyer hypothetically calling Dyer some kind of "racist name" or kicking his fúcking head in on the football pitch? Apples and oranges tbh. Both pretty f****** appalling though. By the way, have a look at Ronaldo's post up the page "any grown man offended by such an impersonal word as n***** or whatever has issues", before telling me that I'm selectively addressing what he has to say. "Cheers" I'm not surprised you avoided the main point. As usual.

Racism shouldn't be tolerated in any form, yet you consider it "ridiculous" for a black person to take offence at being called a f****** n*****. Do you see any flaw in your argument? Self righteous....as usual. Why don't you address the ENTIRE point Ronaldo is making instead of picking on just one small piece of it....as usual? This is the context in which Ronaldo is posting his comment: "it shouldn't be tolerated in any form but it's ridiculous how the use of one word is considered worse than on-pitch fighting" What is worse, mere words or physical action? Let's use the Bowyer and Dyer incident instead. What would have been worse in your opinion, Bowyer hypothetically calling Dyer some kind of "racist name" or kicking his fúcking head in on the football pitch?

You're being kind.

Yep, as assistant manager too. I must admit, if Shearer came back in that role, I'd be far happier and a lot more optimistic. Why? Anything in particular that makes you think he'd be any good at it? His dispute with Gullit clearly shows he's the type of person who will put his own interests ahead of the club, so as far as I'm concerned I don't want him in any role within the club now he's not playing until he's proven himself elsewhere. Our performances and results last season under Roeder when Shearer assisted him, his stature at the club, his leadership, etc. etc. I find your comments strange BTW, given that you'd take Bellamy back like a shot, a player who has proved he puts his own interests ahead of the club's first, where as Shearer has given the club 10 years of outstanding service and not once caused any problems. I agree regarding your latter point, I'd rather he proved himself elsewhere before taking over as manager at Newcastle. But with Freddy in charge, that's never going to happen. As an assistant though, he'd be handy for Roeder, especially in the transfer market. Say a hot young striker catches our eye, but we face competition from Spurs, Liverpool etc. Who would you rather send out to talk to the young striker, Terry Mac/Pearson or Alan Shearer? Aye, ok. Out fishing, I see.

Maybe, but it could have something to do with the players not being as good as some people think they are.

Aye. It would help if he just buggered off, tbh. He's one of the problems.

Jenas is on a par with Parker, very, very average, I'm glad we sold him 'cos he's not good enough. It's a shame we didn't replace him with someone better.

Yep, as assistant manager too. I must admit, if Shearer came back in that role, I'd be far happier and a lot more optimistic. Why? Anything in particular that makes you think he'd be any good at it? His dispute with Gullit clearly shows he's the type of person who will put his own interests ahead of the club, so as far as I'm concerned I don't want him in any role within the club now he's not playing until he's proven himself elsewhere.

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