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He's a legendary figure at Man U. Of course they'll respect him.

As long the squad is improved, I couldn't give a fuck who actually signs the players at this moment in time.

Saw the interview and immediately thought he was simply fishing for another contract. It expires this summer and just letting Quinn know that he's prepared to walk away if he doesn't get a good deal. He'll sign again imo...

Keegan said the Owen situation needed sorting before the Mackem game last April. He also suggested it was Mort who should sort it.

Do you think £250 was fair? I'd give him £250 for it like. Hilarious. Do you think the £250m asking price was fair. I haven't got the first clue as to whether it's a fair price or not. It's his asset and he can value it at whatever the fuck he likes. It's none of my, or your, business tbh.

Do you think £250 was fair? I'd give him £250 for it like.

Yet again people are assuming the price is sky-high. Maybe the offers were ridiculously low... We don't know.

With this news today I assume the chances of us being sold any time soon are pretty minimal too.

No link yet but we'll put one in the OP as soon as it comes out. It does have it on the main skysports site though for the time being.

I'd settle for that.

Disgraceful!

Thought so. Just I can see someone lurking...

Did Spurs win tonight?

or "developing the squad" by bringing young players through, getting new players playing well, old players playing well again etc. Thanks for backing up my point that the statement you quoted can be interpreted in a variety of ways and isn't clear cut. how nice of you to argue against your own position. thankfully wise's statement is more clear. which is my entire point. nobody knows what has happened fully other than the few people involved. so why is keegan the hero and ashley and his team the villains? nobody has answered that yet in any respectable way. Because of what Kevin Keegan has done for Newcastle United. If you at least don't acknowledge and understand that then I know I shouldn't really say this but honestly don't know how you can call yourself a fan. Before anyone says it Ashley has done nothing for the club - if he gets his asking price he will have not put a penny in and will have fact profited - why should I believe a man who has done fuck all? "nostalgia > now" apparently. i was as happy as anyone during the entertainers days but they were nearly 13 years ago. as i said a few months ago, almost everyone was happy with ashley before keegan quit and now he's "done fuck all" in his time here. two words, "almost leeds". plenty of people were skeptical about ashley and were giving him the transfer window to prove himself, which he did, though sadly in the wrong way. i doubt it was "plenty" but it definitely wasnt all the people who wanted him out after keegan left. scapegoat + kneejerk and all that. because people weren't aware there was such a big problem behind the scenes until the keegan fiasco blew up. they're hardly going to have an opinion on an event before it happens. To be fair there was loads of speculation in the press as to the disputes behind the scenes this summer. They turned out to be totally correct. It remains to be seen who told tales....

The Milner comments are a red herring though imo. They could be construed as Keegan forcing Villa to bid more to get their man. The dynamics of the situation changed totally the second he went public with his transfer request. The club couldn't reasonably keep an unhappy player and him throwing his request in guaranteed himself a move - which then made Keegan out to be a liar.

Stop the press!

Keegan didnt know everything about Wise's role but how do we know Kevin wasnt told "that whatever Dennis does, he is completely under your control and he isnt in any way a threat to you" or perhaps "Dennis role doesnt infringe on the 1st team at all" ? If that was the case he would have no need to be anything other than happy and he certainly wouldnt be contradicting the Allardyce comparison. Your as guilty of making assumptions as anyone else. "Dennis will assist the Board on football-related matters, including the development of the Club's Academy and player recruitment. He will report to the Chairman. Tony and Jeff will also assist in player recruitment. The arrival of these three new recruits follows on from the recent appointment of Kevin Keegan as manager. Kevin will be responsible for all matters related to the First Team." "With Kevin able to devote his efforts to developing and running the first team squad, Dennis, Tony and Jeff will each help us to secure success for Newcastle United Football Club at all levels and for the long-term" http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1227633,00.html pretty clear imo. How do first team transfers not relate to the first team then? Sorry but to me those comments are pretty clearly saying that Keegan makes all final decisions relating to the first team which would include transfers and that Wise merely helps to finalise the deals. Wise himself said something similar around the same time. Selective reading. You can't get much clearer than "Dennis Wise will assist the board on football-related matters, including the development of the Club's Academy and player recruitment. Did anyone claim that he had nothing to do with it like? No, but it's selective interpretation. Nowhere in that statement does it say, "Keegan will be in charge of signing players", whereas it does say that's what Wise's role was. No it doesn't, if we're going to get into pedantry. It says Wise will 'assist the board' and that Keegan will be in charge of all matters relating to the first team. I think signing first team players comes into that category. Call me crazy. "With Kevin able to devote his efforts to developing and running the first team squad, Dennis, Tony and Jeff will each help us to secure success for Newcastle United Football Club at all levels and for the long-term" ie. keegan manages the team only. "devote" - 1. To give or apply (one's time, attention, or self) entirely to a particular activity, pursuit, cause, or person. Fuck me. What sort of dense interpretation is that? see what you want to see. i see no mention of "keegan" and "transfers", just about him running the squad. Yeah but does 'developing the first team' mean improving the current squad technically, or improving the squad by binning the shite and replacing them with better? It's not clear at all either way.

Still can't fathom how anyone can read all of these statements/quotes and categorically say either party is totally in the right. They've both contradicted each other and themselves throughout this whole sorry mess. The statements are very ambiguous and are open to loads of different interpretations which is what is causing the confusion. I just want to know exactly what happened.

That statement was from Jan 29th 2008 btw. I'm pretty sure Keegan said he was totally fine with the set-up after this announcement.

It's not a case of what his choice of words were imo. I don't want to use the word 'attack', because that sounds quite escalated, but it's still a personal attack on a referee, regardless of what the actual words were. I've got no problem with them charging managers for making comments like this. If they're gonna start repremanding players for surrounding the referee on the pitch, then they've got every right to reprimand managers for making personal comments afterwards. Aye, it was hardly scathing abuse but you can't make comments like that, simple as really. It 'brings the game into disrepute', you just can't do it. On top of which it was petty as fuck, and what's more, just plain wrong. Kinnear was waving his arms around in the interview, which was quite camp and stroppy and i'd have reprimanded him for that alone, really. At least he wasn't wearing a fucking poncey scarf too. He should have kept his trap shut.... but he didn't. Just deserves a small fine and a warning as to his future conduct imo.

Calling a bloke "Mickey Mouse"? Hardly a scathing attack on a referee is it? Slap on the wrist and token fine.

Did he bully you when you were younger or something? I wasn't being entirely serious RM.

I'd flog Harper... Then sell him.

They cost money, who knows how much is going to be made available, either with Ashley here or any potential new owners. If there was money to replace Shola and the other players who's contracts are running out, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Agree 100%, and until we know there is any money available we can't afford to get rid of players as we might not be able to replace them. We could replace him without spending a penny tbh. I'd give Ranger his chance to see what he can do for a start. In fact, getting Shola off the payroll and promoting Ranger wouldn't harm the team and trim the wage bill substantially.

Making it so the manager felt his position was untenable, lying to the fans, piss poor communication ever since Mort left, failure to back his manager's to sufficient levels in transfer windows. There's some for you. Probably wrong on all counts. But a popular theory nevertheless. popular, because its what happened. You may think that, but you don't know for certain what happened. No-one does other than the people directly involved. And they're all keeping schtum at the minute.