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I re-iterate - don't talk sh*te. But you keep doing it anyway. Maybe it's because it's such an uttely pillocky comment ? Internet hard man. If you think that he should be happy cos he's getting paid then you are an idiot who is clearly at war with the world and very bitter, if you think he's had anything but a crap time here then i can only assume you have had an amazing past 5 years as a fan....which makes you an idiot as well. If only you had something constructive to say.... his time here has been s*** ? the opportunity to leave le harve and months later be in the prem,the ability to be able to place your family where you want (aprox 280mile from where you work mind),the ability to do his job poorly and still be lauded for it. he's had a marginally worse time as the rest of them (his dad dying)...enough to explain his 24month strop and poor form.........nada. We're back to square one then? Right, so basically you see absolutely no reason why he shouldnt be perfoming and performing well, (forgetting the fact that at times he has actually performed well and consistently well at times, even early this season at LW) and i see reasons why his time here hasnt been great and therefore offers an insight to his poor form and maybe why his attitude is like it is. (im not saying his attitude is right) Like i say, you name me a single player Zogs age in the premiership who's had as difficult an early career as that and still maintained his form and perfect attitude and ill happily back down, but if you cant you have to see some merit in what im saying....surely? This boy has had it THE worst in my opinion. He's stuck around lot longer then most have (considering he's one of 4-5 players from the SBR days). lots of players go through hard times (the boumsong stuff is superfluous though)the ones who cant hack it get discarded,those that can make it. I see no reason to think n'zogbia isn't a jenas II

Beye looks calm and assured, he just looks like a top class defender, if all of the Allardyce signings were as good as him we'd have had a very good season. We give Allardyce stick for the way he (Allardyce) turned out but he's got to be given credit for Beye, he's come to a new country and fit straight in. i'd say the same about enrique and (just about) faye aswell. but his team set up's were awful. best example i can give is swindon. many said the team was built by macari but only played under hoddle. I could be wrong but didn't they play best under Ardiles where the diamond formation was first invented? youre right...i mixed up my spiritual nut case with my argentine lawyer (macari built the team though)

Beye looks calm and assured, he just looks like a top class defender, if all of the Allardyce signings were as good as him we'd have had a very good season. We give Allardyce stick for the way he (Allardyce) turned out but he's got to be given credit for Beye, he's come to a new country and fit straight in. i'd say the same about enrique and (just about) faye aswell. but his team set up's were awful. best example i can give is swindon. many said the team was built by macari but only played under hoddle.

only on the proviso he promises to stop being a diving,cheating,nipping,pulling hair,whiney b******. plus he wouldnt sign for us anyway he would if we showed we were more ambitious than everton(of which there is a possibility). the top 4 are unlikely to want him. personally though no.... i wouldnt sign him.

only on the proviso he promises to stop being a diving,cheating,nipping,pulling hair,whiney bastard.

I re-iterate - don't talk sh*te. But you keep doing it anyway. Maybe it's because it's such an uttely pillocky comment ? Internet hard man. If you think that he should be happy cos he's getting paid then you are an idiot who is clearly at war with the world and very bitter, if you think he's had anything but a crap time here then i can only assume you have had an amazing past 5 years as a fan....which makes you an idiot as well. If only you had something constructive to say.... his time here has been shit ? the opportunity to leave le harve and months later be in the prem,the ability to be able to place your family where you want (aprox 280mile from where you work mind),the ability to do his job poorly and still be lauded for it. he's had a marginally worse time as the rest of them (his dad dying)...enough to explain his 24month strop and poor form.........nada.

me neither. they'll go 4-5-1 and be up for it. smother the midfiled and play off jones for the break. an early goal for us could break their gameplan.

Im not giving him credit for anything, im not saying he's definitely right for acting the way it seems he is or has, im not saying its all newcastle's fault, but i think a unusually high portion of the blame could and should go to newcastle. Theres been some big things happening in his life and i genuinely cant think of a single player in the premiership who's had it as bad as Zog, the closest would be Milner. that tells its own story to me. Whats changed? Now you're asking to to maybe make excuses for him and id have to say that he like Martins and alot of other players at the time (inc Owen) saw a big future at under Allardyce with his new approach, maybe he bought into it and signedbecause of it, i have to be honest, as a fan, i bought into it as well. Cue another manager sacking and his 5th manager at the same club. He'splayed for more managers at club level than Owen has in his entire career, and not out of choice, well nearly! so we should have kept with one manager to keep him happy ? or not buy anyone to compete for his position ? or play him even when his form says he's the 3rd best player in that position ? maybe he'd be happier if we all spoke french to make him more at home ? Errrrrr what now? well what is the "unusually high ammount of blame " for ? for giving him the chance he was only too willing to take or daring to make him compete for his place. pleasedv i'm not the only one that thinks you are carrying your torch too high You think im taking some sort of moral high ground here? My posts have been sympathetical towards his plight, because in my eyes he's had a shitty time here. Like i say, step up if you think im so wrong and point me in the direction of another player his age in the premiership who's had it the same or worse, then maybe ill start to see his plaight in your light. Until then i stand by my post. I think its disastorous that this has all happened when we look to turn the corner, but someones who incredibly cynical would say we've been truning the corner for the past 5 years. Maybe thats how he sees it, he's at an age where he needs to develop as a football and cant afford to stand by whilst the club finally relaises its potential. Its laready 4 years he's wasted. Thats like a fifth of his whole career. Im not saying he's right to act the way he has done, or has been right to want a move in Jan, but i am saying all this stick he's getting is pretty undeserved, he's had some difficult times. He's gone from our best player to an overated cry baby in a space of a couple of years because his talent hasnt been managed well in my opinion. At the end of the day, thats all it is, its an opinion. If you cant handle that then thats your problem. well i don't think he's had a shitty time. i think he's had fantastic opportunities that he's seriously in danger of blowing it and it's the "had it the same or worse" which is confusing...had what ? the pressure for his position ? i honestly don't see what he's had to put up with which is so bad (except his father dying). Im not gonna try and shove this thing down anyones throats but i think all our players have had shitty times in the past 5 years, would you clasify the last 5 years as fan as anything but shitty? Well why should it be different for a player? Becasue he's gettin paid? That to me is such simplistic bollocks and a complete cop out of an explanation. I just see a young lad who's not had his talent handled well and been messed around a bit, who's had at least one big issue effecting his mind state, at a really young age in a different country. I guess im the only person here who couldnt perform my job well and be happy under those circumstances. there you have it exactly.......they've all had it shitty (and being totally honest they've contributed to it a bit aswell) but it would seem only one isn't prepared to knuckle down now at a time when he could be blowing his biggest chance. i could almost understand the loss of form due to external matters but not the attitude. you see someone wrought with anxiety about things he can't control. i see someone who thinks he's made it and can dictate to the club. What so you are saying he has had a shitty time now? Changed ya tune a little. That was my whole point, he's had a crap experinece at a young age with things other players havent had to deal with, like losing your father his position in the squad to lesser players and losing his subsequent father figure. Again it comes down to his reasoning for not knuckling down (although it appears he is now according to some Keegan quotes) he's only 1 of 3-4 players (?) from the SBR era, the rest have left. He's stuck it out and maybe the sacking of Allardyce and the lack of involvment again are the last straw.... Its all im sayin. EDIT: Also i see someone who has had a torrid time at Newcastle and ismaking it clear that he wants out. Im not making excuses for his attitude, i never did but i said i sypathizes with his situation becasue maybe he's had the final straw. apart from his dad dying he's had the same time as the rest. why is his reaction sooooo different ? you know the way i meant it. i could see the n'zogbia of 2 years ago fitting in very well on the left of a middle 3.

Im not giving him credit for anything, im not saying he's definitely right for acting the way it seems he is or has, im not saying its all newcastle's fault, but i think a unusually high portion of the blame could and should go to newcastle. Theres been some big things happening in his life and i genuinely cant think of a single player in the premiership who's had it as bad as Zog, the closest would be Milner. that tells its own story to me. Whats changed? Now you're asking to to maybe make excuses for him and id have to say that he like Martins and alot of other players at the time (inc Owen) saw a big future at under Allardyce with his new approach, maybe he bought into it and signedbecause of it, i have to be honest, as a fan, i bought into it as well. Cue another manager sacking and his 5th manager at the same club. He'splayed for more managers at club level than Owen has in his entire career, and not out of choice, well nearly! so we should have kept with one manager to keep him happy ? or not buy anyone to compete for his position ? or play him even when his form says he's the 3rd best player in that position ? maybe he'd be happier if we all spoke french to make him more at home ? Errrrrr what now? well what is the "unusually high ammount of blame " for ? for giving him the chance he was only too willing to take or daring to make him compete for his place. pleasedv i'm not the only one that thinks you are carrying your torch too high You think im taking some sort of moral high ground here? My posts have been sympathetical towards his plight, because in my eyes he's had a shitty time here. Like i say, step up if you think im so wrong and point me in the direction of another player his age in the premiership who's had it the same or worse, then maybe ill start to see his plaight in your light. Until then i stand by my post. I think its disastorous that this has all happened when we look to turn the corner, but someones who incredibly cynical would say we've been truning the corner for the past 5 years. Maybe thats how he sees it, he's at an age where he needs to develop as a football and cant afford to stand by whilst the club finally relaises its potential. Its laready 4 years he's wasted. Thats like a fifth of his whole career. Im not saying he's right to act the way he has done, or has been right to want a move in Jan, but i am saying all this stick he's getting is pretty undeserved, he's had some difficult times. He's gone from our best player to an overated cry baby in a space of a couple of years because his talent hasnt been managed well in my opinion. At the end of the day, thats all it is, its an opinion. If you cant handle that then thats your problem. well i don't think he's had a shitty time. i think he's had fantastic opportunities that he's seriously in danger of blowing it and it's the "had it the same or worse" which is confusing...had what ? the pressure for his position ? i honestly don't see what he's had to put up with which is so bad (except his father dying). Im not gonna try and shove this thing down anyones throats but i think all our players have had shitty times in the past 5 years, would you clasify the last 5 years as fan as anything but shitty? Well why should it be different for a player? Becasue he's gettin paid? That to me is such simplistic bollocks and a complete cop out of an explanation. I just see a young lad who's not had his talent handled well and been messed around a bit, who's had at least one big issue effecting his mind state, at a really young age in a different country. I guess im the only person here who couldnt perform my job well and be happy under those circumstances. there you have it exactly.......they've all had it shitty (and being totally honest they've contributed to it a bit aswell) but it would seem only one isn't prepared to knuckle down now at a time when he could be blowing his biggest chance. i could almost understand the loss of form due to external matters but not the attitude. you see someone wrought with anxiety about things he can't control. i see someone who thinks he's made it and can dictate to the club.

Im not giving him credit for anything, im not saying he's definitely right for acting the way it seems he is or has, im not saying its all newcastle's fault, but i think a unusually high portion of the blame could and should go to newcastle. Theres been some big things happening in his life and i genuinely cant think of a single player in the premiership who's had it as bad as Zog, the closest would be Milner. that tells its own story to me. Whats changed? Now you're asking to to maybe make excuses for him and id have to say that he like Martins and alot of other players at the time (inc Owen) saw a big future at under Allardyce with his new approach, maybe he bought into it and signedbecause of it, i have to be honest, as a fan, i bought into it as well. Cue another manager sacking and his 5th manager at the same club. He'splayed for more managers at club level than Owen has in his entire career, and not out of choice, well nearly! so we should have kept with one manager to keep him happy ? or not buy anyone to compete for his position ? or play him even when his form says he's the 3rd best player in that position ? maybe he'd be happier if we all spoke french to make him more at home ? Errrrrr what now? well what is the "unusually high ammount of blame " for ? for giving him the chance he was only too willing to take or daring to make him compete for his place. pleasedv i'm not the only one that thinks you are carrying your torch too high You think im taking some sort of moral high ground here? My posts have been sympathetical towards his plight, because in my eyes he's had a shitty time here. Like i say, step up if you think im so wrong and point me in the direction of another player his age in the premiership who's had it the same or worse, then maybe ill start to see his plaight in your light. Until then i stand by my post. I think its disastorous that this has all happened when we look to turn the corner, but someones who incredibly cynical would say we've been truning the corner for the past 5 years. Maybe thats how he sees it, he's at an age where he needs to develop as a football and cant afford to stand by whilst the club finally relaises its potential. Its laready 4 years he's wasted. Thats like a fifth of his whole career. Im not saying he's right to act the way he has done, or has been right to want a move in Jan, but i am saying all this stick he's getting is pretty undeserved, he's had some difficult times. He's gone from our best player to an overated cry baby in a space of a couple of years because his talent hasnt been managed well in my opinion. At the end of the day, thats all it is, its an opinion. If you cant handle that then thats your problem. well i don't think he's had a shitty time. i think he's had fantastic opportunities that he's seriously in danger of blowing it and it's the "had it the same or worse" which is confusing...had what ? the pressure for his position ? i honestly don't see what he's had to put up with which is so bad (except his father dying).

Im not giving him credit for anything, im not saying he's definitely right for acting the way it seems he is or has, im not saying its all newcastle's fault, but i think a unusually high portion of the blame could and should go to newcastle. Theres been some big things happening in his life and i genuinely cant think of a single player in the premiership who's had it as bad as Zog, the closest would be Milner. that tells its own story to me. Whats changed? Now you're asking to to maybe make excuses for him and id have to say that he like Martins and alot of other players at the time (inc Owen) saw a big future at under Allardyce with his new approach, maybe he bought into it and signedbecause of it, i have to be honest, as a fan, i bought into it as well. Cue another manager sacking and his 5th manager at the same club. He'splayed for more managers at club level than Owen has in his entire career, and not out of choice, well nearly! so we should have kept with one manager to keep him happy ? or not buy anyone to compete for his position ? or play him even when his form says he's the 3rd best player in that position ? maybe he'd be happier if we all spoke french to make him more at home ? Errrrrr what now? well what is the "unusually high ammount of blame " for ? for giving him the chance he was only too willing to take or daring to make him compete for his place. pleasedv i'm not the only one that thinks you are carrying your torch too high

couldn't be jewish and support sunderland as everyone you have to be a complete prick for that. (can't believe it took 35 replies for that to be used)

Im not giving him credit for anything, im not saying he's definitely right for acting the way it seems he is or has, im not saying its all newcastle's fault, but i think a unusually high portion of the blame could and should go to newcastle. Theres been some big things happening in his life and i genuinely cant think of a single player in the premiership who's had it as bad as Zog, the closest would be Milner. that tells its own story to me. Whats changed? Now you're asking to to maybe make excuses for him and id have to say that he like Martins and alot of other players at the time (inc Owen) saw a big future at under Allardyce with his new approach, maybe he bought into it and signedbecause of it, i have to be honest, as a fan, i bought into it as well. Cue another manager sacking and his 5th manager at the same club. He'splayed for more managers at club level than Owen has in his entire career, and not out of choice, well nearly! so we should have kept with one manager to keep him happy ? or not buy anyone to compete for his position ? or play him even when his form says he's the 3rd best player in that position ? maybe he'd be happier if we all spoke french to make him more at home ?

We lost the first Derby game. think he means allardyce said a draw would be a good result which he did. i thought he was just saying it to stop everyone getting over confident.....after 15mins i realised that is what he set the team out to do.

more jenas i think.

rowell hat trick, connelly for us, don't think entwhistle got the other (off the top of my head-so he probably did) Rowell hatrick the other by Entwhistle?

i hope never to have a derby day like my very first. 1-4

Hadaway and s**** man. He's had it cushy here. Anyhoo... The way I see it, we're not missing him and he's never been an integral player for us anyway, so he can piss off if that's what he wants. He'll not find a bigger club to play for, a better manager to play under and he'll not find a club as generous as ours where wages are concerned. Really? Think theres absolutley nothing in the Gunners rumour. Also he's had it shitty here. No question. Cant think of another 21 year old in the premiership who's had it worse. in what way has he had it shitty ? being played out of position (like many others)?. being acclaimed as the best at the club even when very poor ? Signed as a 17 years old under SBR, has to give up his fledgling international career because of the move, his father dies, and his role model and subsequent father figure gets sold (albeit for being crap) after a nighmare season under Souness. Having been instrumental to the club revival under Roeder, Roeder signs a senior player on the way down who is poorer than him and still gets played in front of him, 4th manager, things starting to look up, but he's played out of position despite his obvious prefernce and strength at LW, now he's with his 5th manager who is playing in a formation of which he has no part. I cant imagine howfrustrating it is to have had all those things happen to you and still not had the oppurtunity on a consistent basis to prove your talent like he's desperate to do. But you're all right anyway, he;s getting paid to have a stop start career. Good luck to him..... forgetting he was awful last year(duff was awful but better wide left than n'zogbia and both were a lot worse than milner in that position),happy to play leftback for his country. good player,overrated by some,massivly overrated by some more. You're right he was poor last year, but i can only think of 2-3 players who came out of last season with any shred of 'integrity'. The point im trying to make, is not that "he's fuking amazing like" but that he's had it pretty poor at Newcaslte, unlike other 21 years old in the prem. Like ive said, i cant think of many other 21 years olds who had it worse. I happen to think he;d be a player who would thrive in a team that is playing cohesively, only a few seasons ago he wa the best player we had, now he's overrated and s*** despite all the circumstances ivementioned. I think thats unfair. Maybe im wrong. he left france as we were his best option his dad died...nothing we could have done about it boumsong left.....good ! 5 managers.....3 poor ones that would have done no good for anyone and he thrown paddys at at least 2. he may have had it less "shitty" if his form hadn't been as bad as his attitude.

Hadaway and s**** man. He's had it cushy here. Anyhoo... The way I see it, we're not missing him and he's never been an integral player for us anyway, so he can piss off if that's what he wants. He'll not find a bigger club to play for, a better manager to play under and he'll not find a club as generous as ours where wages are concerned. Really? Think theres absolutley nothing in the Gunners rumour. Also he's had it shitty here. No question. Cant think of another 21 year old in the premiership who's had it worse. in what way has he had it shitty ? being played out of position (like many others)?. being acclaimed as the best at the club even when very poor ? Signed as a 17 years old under SBR, has to give up his fledgling international career because of the move, his father dies, and his role model and subsequent father figure gets sold (albeit for being crap) after a nighmare season under Souness. Having been instrumental to the club revival under Roeder, Roeder signs a senior player on the way down who is poorer than him and still gets played in front of him, 4th manager, things starting to look up, but he's played out of position despite his obvious prefernce and strength at LW, now he's with his 5th manager who is playing in a formation of which he has no part. I cant imagine howfrustrating it is to have had all those things happen to you and still not had the oppurtunity on a consistent basis to prove your talent like he's desperate to do. But you're all right anyway, he;s getting paid to have a stop start career. Good luck to him..... forgetting he was awful last year(duff was awful but better wide left than n'zogbia and both were a lot worse than milner in that position),happy to play leftback for his country. good player,overrated by some,massivly overrated by some more.

wont find out about my lieu day till wednesday, then i need to get monday off aswell

Hadaway and s**** man. He's had it cushy here. Anyhoo... The way I see it, we're not missing him and he's never been an integral player for us anyway, so he can piss off if that's what he wants. He'll not find a bigger club to play for, a better manager to play under and he'll not find a club as generous as ours where wages are concerned. Really? Think theres absolutley nothing in the Gunners rumour. Also he's had it shitty here. No question. Cant think of another 21 year old in the premiership who's had it worse. in what way has he had it shitty ? being played out of position (like many others)?. being acclaimed as the best at the club even when very poor ?

but in years to come that will be the final question on who wants to be a billionaire (years to come...inflation and all that) and i'll smile slyly at the camera, a knowing wink to all NUFC fans and say "listen chris, don't even read me my options, i'm well aware of the answer and it was all down to that cunt allardyce. the answer is newcastle united and for your information they should have won at SJP aswell"

aye 4-4-2 with proper wingers aiming for a forwards head. that's going bacKwards IMO.

I don't know why we didn't try a couple of short corners instead of continually knocking it into the box against a side that had a huge height advantage. probably why geremi insisted on playing flat corners to the near post all evening.

perhaps wenger mightened see him as a winger