toontownman

Good job, just what we needed. We need to calm the fuck down though the majority of our passing is woeful, I'm sure thats exactly what Kinnear is telling them though. We show the opposition WAY too much respect but nerves are unavoidable given our current form and situation. A quick third after the break and we can relax a bit and start enjoying it. Some great work when we are not messing it up, looks good for the future though if we can just get the confidence to relax a bit and enjoy our football.

Anyone know if he is back training? still alive??

Given, Beye, Taylor, Colo, Enrique, Jonas, Barton, Butt, Duff (N'Zog), Ameobi, Martins For me. Need to keep Taylor and Colo consistent through the rough times if we really want to build them up together, Enrique in for Bassong, he offers more coming forward I believe JFK thinks so too given the evidence of his subbing on Saturday, we will have the home support and will look to go attacking so dropping Bassong wouldnt upset me. I dont have much time for Butt although I think Guthrie isnt quite there yet and right now we need as much experience as we can get. Im undecided on Duff although I think he has more bottle than N'Zog who would work much better in a team with confidence. We need to go get the three points and build some confidence.

Can't hurt to venture some qualified thoughts - you weren't over the moon, I take it. I was pretty happy with him, myself. Barely put a foot wrong but I'm feeling a little uneasy about the hype of our new players on very little evidence (other than Coloccini who I think is proven class), simply because when they underperform slightly or make one rick, that then gets pushed to the other extreme and they're s***/not adapting/not developing/whatever. So you're not saying he looks possibly good now so that you can take the moral high ground when someone starts saying he looks bad if/when he makes a mistake? That approach never bloody works, man, it won't be remembered - might as well just go with the flow No I just think making any judgement of a Premier League centre half against a poor Championship side is inevitably going to be flawed and people inevitably build themselves up for disappointment. He played very well tonight and that's as much as anyone can say. I think some of the stuff written about Jonas and Guthrie has been daft too. They've both looked quality but it's what they do season after season that matters and I think a lot of people will end up disappointed because early on, everyone judges a player as a whole over a couple of games. If Michael Owen has a shitter, no-one mentions it and it's not a problem because he won't next week because he's a good player and has been for a long time. If Jonas has a shitter next week or Coloccini makes an error that costs us a goal, it'll be panic stations on here (OH NO THEY WON'T ADAPT!) and it's ridiculous. Thought I'd bump this on the back of the slagging that Kinnear, Bassong and Guthrie are getting. Build 'em up, knock 'em down. Tbh.

bet they feel so stupid when the cant afford the bus ride home. mind you thats suggesting they could in the first place.

Cant begrudge the scum that one. They deserved all three points. Complete role reversal of years past, one team capable of playing sharp, quick, effective attacking football and another pumping the ball down the opposite and an running around like donkeys with a slapped arse. Dissapointing effort from the lads, effort might be harsh as they did try working hard but left their brains in the SJP dressing room. Good to have Jonas and Barton back in the fold on few of the positive points of a gloomy miserable day.

How the fuck did that stay out

Funny we always conceed via a nicky butt assist.

Dissapointing half, but at least we are back in it. Nearly cried for joy when it looked like Butt was being replaced with Barton, might have to wait a little longer. Midfield has been lost, but we looked better after they scored, hopefully a half time rocket from JFK can aid us.

... bout 15mins into the journey one of them caught the guys eye, looking more angry still he shouted down the train 'yes im brian fucking kilcline!' made for an awkward rest of the journey!

Roy keane? hes no souness! a mans man, dogs mans isnt he? stuart pearce was great an honorable mentiond to brian killer kilcline too. my brother was once on a train up to london with his mates and there was a huge angry looking guy opposite

Can see the new owners trying to entice rijkaard. would be one of the best options, hiddink might also figure although neither would likely be interested. if joe is doing well i wont mind keeping him on until the end of the season or until we have taken the right amount of time to pick the right man to lead us.

Obvious. management team of ketsbaia with kinnear assisting would make for an entertaining bench, maybe we could hire stuart pearce aswell.

All things being well, I.E. injured players returning, Red card rescinded. Given, Beye, Taylor, Colo, Bassong, Jonas, Guthrie, Barton, Duff, Martins, Ameobi Subs: Owen, Geremi/Butt, Xisco, N'Zog, Enrique, Cacapa, Harper Think Owen will be benched for Saftey, Guthrie will probably be dropped instead of Butt for the incoming Barton. If Beye is out I wouldnt have any qualms with Taylor Colo Bassong Enrique. I expect to see: Given, Taylor, Colo, Bassong, Enrique, Geremi, Barton, Butt, Duff, Ameobi, Martins Bench: Jonas, Harper, cacapa, Carroll, N'Zog, Guthrie, edgar

If he does well, id like to see him stay on and coach/assist. he is however not good enough to get us to where we want. we should have learnt from the mistake of appointing roeder.

http://www.mcfc.co.uk/default.sps?pageid=115&pagegid=%7BDBD12D53%2D8346%2D431D%2DA04F%2D5D0F8664DE80%7D&newsid=6620820&siteid=&pageno=&newscategory=1051&frommonth=8&fromyear=2008&tomonth=10&toyear=2008 Sorry if already posted. Mark Hughes being a tit.

very happy, but gutted we dropped two vital points. Things looking up though. Well done Joe.

Most people will improve in the short term, but there is only so much shouting and swearing they will listen to.

They will just spunk another wad of cash down the drain in january and buy their way out of trouble. i think they will be clear of trouble by then anyway, its still early and just three wins could bounce them or us high up the table.

Jesus.I hope not! :-[ Me too! I have doubts over Martins or Jonas being fit enough. If Enrique is fit he will start after JFK's earlier comments on playing players out of position, I'd also doubt he would play Ameobi and Xisco together up top, putting duff off one or the other would make more sense, although he might drop Geremi infavour of Xisco and put Duff on the right. Hopefully that is all tosh though and Guiterrez and Martins can figure in the starting line up (and not come off injured!).

Expecting. given, beye, taylor, colo, enrique, geremi, butt, guthrie, zog, duff, ameobi.

Some glasses?

Jammy scouse twats.

How else can we give the scum a chance?