Mick

It'll not take long to get to 4-4-2.

I doubt too many are daft enough to think that Ba is to blame for us playing the long ball.

He's not the only one to have a go at our long ball football and it was always going to piss off our better players.

I'm not sure he's said too much wrong from what I can see.

We will again if we get nothing at the weekend, win at the weekend and I think we'll finish on at least 38 points because we don't look like ever winning away from home. Home games are what will save us unless we have a massive change of form for the better and start doing something with away games.

Ben Arfa has said that he didn't feel anything, they probably didn't know enough at that time.

That's the right thing to do, I've hated it in the past when we've brought players back to early or played then while not being fit.

We had 19 points after 17 games the season we were last relegated.

Has he changed it to Lord Haw-Haw?

To be fair to Wullie, I don't have a clue what you're on about.

That ball from Coloccini.

Anybody can stop balls like that on the line.

Shite, I agree with you.

You've highlighted a gripe, we work for 4 days on defence and yet again are let down by the only area of the team that he works with.

It was Anita plus others today and he couldn't do everything on his own when trying to drive forward. I just think we missed somebody who could do something different and provide a spark.

Did anybody see where he tried to clear our box with the ball and kicked it backwards?

Agree, but he is on the bench because he is a pedestrian at the best of times. Was the same at points in the Bordeaux game we were attacking down the left wing, approaching the box and he was walking from the halfway line when he should have been busting a gut to get into the box. He was even worse today, not tracking back and watching the Man City players run past him to out number our defenders. Granted he looks like a deeper set playmaker when playing in the middle but he has to work a lot harder for the team imo. If he did he would be as valuable as Ben Arfa. He clearly has the talent, calm on the ball and eye for a killer pass. We need players who are capable up front and Marveaux is more than capable. We started with 4 defensive midfielders at home today and that is a disgrace.

Did he not give the ball away when they scored the first?

Mariner was shit and didn't help, we seemed to get a booking for every tackle early on while they got away with the same tackles.

Stick Anita in a 5 man midfield with Perch instead of Tiote (on current form), Marveaux, Cabaye (when fit) and Ben Arfa and we'll do OK.

I'm at the other end of the ground so that might explain why I only heard it once if it was 9 or 10 times. Still, I've heard it a lot more and louder before today.

Aye, hopefully we'll play a few more teams who have a man sent off. Personally can't see us going down but if things aren't put right through january we are going to scrape by the skin of our teeth if we scrape it at all. 7 losses in last 8 - QPR, Man u (A) and Arsenal (a) with Everton up first in the new year. If we don't beat QPR we'll be comfortable bottom three by new year. This defence is one level up from Clown school. We probably spend too much time working with our forwards. Maybe we should get rid of whoever coaches the defence.

Everyone is entitled to hold an opinion so yes, you can have one.

I heard him mentioned once and even then it was a lot quieter than what it's been like before.

Simpson 2, give over man.