Dr Venkman

it is a good post, but it glosses over the issue which strikes at the absolute heart of what the club is about now. that is, that we replaced a very well performing manager who was popular with players and fans, with a man who had very little reason to be hired other than he didn't deserve the position and therefore was more likely to agree to demands placed upon him on transfer policy. and my oh my, weren't we all shocked when carroll went in january. yes the money was massive, yes its a great deal if you put the money back into the team PLUS the money that should have been due to be invested anyway. but the chain of events is as plain as day imo, would anyone be surprised if the big debate in the winter is whether we were right to accept a massive bid for tiote on deadline day?

The Fat Cockney b****** will happily turn United into Liverpool's feeder club if the money is right. The same as 95% of clubs. I don't like Ashley or Lambyarse but not many clubs would have turned down that sort of money (8th most expensive player in history) for a young lad with half a seasons experience in the premiership. I could understand the derision directed at the board if we sold the lad for £10m just to make a quick buck but all players at all clubs (apart from maybe Chelsea and City) have a price. Especially if the player has indicated he wants to leave. Look at the ludicrous things Man City and Man Utd had to do to keep hold of their star players, we as with most clubs aren't in a position to do that. We tried it before and despite it working at first we started going backwards and the over spending wasn't helping buck the trend. If Liverpool came in with the reported £15m bid for our left back in the last year of his contract and not looking to extend then I couldn't really blame the board for accepting it. Good Post, totally agree with what your saying. Good thing Ashley's ass is so big so you can both simultaneously fit your cocks up it, like. This is so typical, personal attacks are used instead of having a logical debate whenever someone post something not along the lines that Ashley is the devil incarnate. Alterantively you get one liners cliche on bank balance that does not engage the points made. Cajun makes a good point (one that I've been making as well). The club's error is if they don't replace Carrol with a good striker of similiar or higher standards (that might be difficult for some though, coz they think that Carroll is one of the best strikers in the world! ) On the other hand, although Cajun has a point when he said that we would have paid over the odds had we got Carrol's replacement on the last day of the Jan transfer, I am still p*ssed off that we did not attempt to get Sturridge given the leverage that we had over Chelsea (though I suspect the deal with Bolton might have been done earlier). I will wait to see what happens in the summer and am cautiously optimistic that we will get a good number 9 and hopefully one more striker. The last few games hopefully are driving home the point that our current strikers are an awful bunch. and what if the summer's been and gone and the transfer activity hasnt been good enough? we've spent about 10 million on a two young prospects, signed a couple of free transfers and lost enrique, who we've replaced with kadar (and put a last minute 'bid' in for adam johnson). you'll be on here saying that we should wait and see what happens in january and that those of us saying we've seen it all before and ashley is true to form are just impatient and launching personal attacks. depends on your point of view, personally if someone's taking the p*ss i've usually noticed after 5 years If having had the whole summer to plan the transfer window and we end up losing and not replacing Enrique, and not getting quality striker(s) to replace Carroll, then why would I say let's see what happens in January? You're completly missing the point, those who are saying let's see what happens in the summer are not saying that because they just want to procrastinate strengthening team, the fact is most decent and reasonable transfers are done in the summer, whereas the Jan transfer window are stop gap buys which comes with over inflated prices. That's why our transfers in the summer will be more indicative of Ashley's vision for the club and people are right to say that we should wait till then before passing a judgement. You can of course disagree but debate the points instead of making idiotic statements like bumming Ashley or spouting cliche irrelevant points about bank balance. cliche irrelevant points about bank balance, don't be so sensitive. i fully reserve the right to make sarcastic remarks about anything i want, i'm insulted by your refusal to write in paragraphs but i'm not gonna pick you up on it because i don't agree with you on some things. fwiw, people who are saying lets wait and see what happens in the summer either haven't been paying attention for the last 5 years or are expecting quite a radical transformation in ashley imo

The Fat Cockney b****** will happily turn United into Liverpool's feeder club if the money is right. The same as 95% of clubs. I don't like Ashley or Lambyarse but not many clubs would have turned down that sort of money (8th most expensive player in history) for a young lad with half a seasons experience in the premiership. I could understand the derision directed at the board if we sold the lad for £10m just to make a quick buck but all players at all clubs (apart from maybe Chelsea and City) have a price. Especially if the player has indicated he wants to leave. Look at the ludicrous things Man City and Man Utd had to do to keep hold of their star players, we as with most clubs aren't in a position to do that. We tried it before and despite it working at first we started going backwards and the over spending wasn't helping buck the trend. If Liverpool came in with the reported £15m bid for our left back in the last year of his contract and not looking to extend then I couldn't really blame the board for accepting it. Good Post, totally agree with what your saying. Good thing Ashley's ass is so big so you can both simultaneously fit your cocks up it, like. This is so typical, personal attacks are used instead of having a logical debate whenever someone post something not along the lines that Ashley is the devil incarnate. Alterantively you get one liners cliche on bank balance that does not engage the points made. Cajun makes a good point (one that I've been making as well). The club's error is if they don't replace Carrol with a good striker of similiar or higher standards (that might be difficult for some though, coz they think that Carroll is one of the best strikers in the world! ) On the other hand, although Cajun has a point when he said that we would have paid over the odds had we got Carrol's replacement on the last day of the Jan transfer, I am still p*ssed off that we did not attempt to get Sturridge given the leverage that we had over Chelsea (though I suspect the deal with Bolton might have been done earlier). I will wait to see what happens in the summer and am cautiously optimistic that we will get a good number 9 and hopefully one more striker. The last few games hopefully are driving home the point that our current strikers are an awful bunch. and what if the summer's been and gone and the transfer activity hasnt been good enough? we've spent about 10 million on a two young prospects, signed a couple of free transfers and lost enrique, who we've replaced with kadar (and put a last minute 'bid' in for adam johnson). you'll be on here saying that we should wait and see what happens in january and that those of us saying we've seen it all before and ashley is true to form are just impatient and launching personal attacks. depends on your point of view, personally if someone's taking the piss i've usually noticed after 5 years

if we're gonna go down the funny route 'two andy goram's, there's only two andy gorams' has to be the funniest chant of all time

i think the decline in racism in largely thanks to the kick it out campaign, could be wrong but i'm pretty sure there's a similar campaign planned to reduce homophobic language at games

oh, haha. sorry i didnt catch that, for the record i wasnt telling you to fuck off, that was directed at ladyboy. think i might write him a reply.

the thing is, i'd say that you should live by the same rules as you would normally go by, no racism, homophobia etc. BUT, if wayne rooney's 5 yards away and i think calling him a fat granny shagger just might make him fluff the next chance, i'm doing it like.

say what? it's bursting with patronising back handed complements and outright lies here's just one of them 'There will be no relegation drama this season, though. The Toon Army should be thankful for that. They won't be, but they should be.' fuck OFF you cunt

they mostly need to fuck off so i win 80 quid

hahaha, fuck you phil brown, you complete cunt

would be a strange signing though, no? unless his contracts up for renewal? then its a no brainer

only watched youtube clips but he looked like a right footed left winger?

most annoying player i've ever seen play for us tbh, even though he puts a good shift in now and then he's so infuriatingly shit at times i cant stand him. the inconsistency would be bad enough, but its stuff like still not knowing the offside rule and the occasions when you KNOW he's gonna foul the defender when he doesnt need to that pushes me over the edge. that and seeing him trotting around with absolutely no urgency. cant wait to be rid of him.

The Fat Cockney Bastard will happily turn United into Liverpool's feeder club if the money is right. The same as 95% of clubs. I don't like Ashley or Lambyarse but not many clubs would have turned down that sort of money (8th most expensive player in history) for a young lad with half a seasons experience in the premiership. I could understand the derision directed at the board if we sold the lad for £10m just to make a quick buck but all players at all clubs (apart from maybe Chelsea and City) have a price. Especially if the player has indicated he wants to leave. Look at the ludicrous things Man City and Man Utd had to do to keep hold of their star players, we as with most clubs aren't in a position to do that. We tried it before and despite it working at first we started going backwards and the over spending wasn't helping buck the trend. If Liverpool came in with the reported £15m bid for our left back in the last year of his contract and not looking to extend then I couldn't really blame the board for accepting it. Good Post, totally agree with what your saying. exactly. why try and keep our best players when we can improve the bank balance and replace them with cheaper ones that MIGHT be just as good But ALL clubs do it apart from those bankrolled by these billionaires who don't give a fuck. Liverpool sold their star player to afford Carroll don't forget. Manchester United sold Cronaldo. Why are we any different? The thing that is wrong is if (and I fully expect this) we don't put the Carroll money back into the squad. Very, very few clubs would have turned down that offer, especially after the player himself has expressed a wish to go. It's not just big, bad Mike Ashley's Newcastle that sell their star players in these circumstances. liverpool sold their star player and bought carroll and suarez, we got shefki kuqi i guess the summer will tell us a lot, not holding out much hope though, are you?

Wenger himself. he said 'i've got loads of money to spend but i dont want to'? Wenger's always publicly stated that there's money to spend, but he doesn't want to as he believes in his "project". fair do's, i dont believe everything that comes out of a football club though, there might not be as much as people think. i happen to think the injury to eduardo was massively unlucky for them like, they had a natural finisher in him and they've never replaced him

The Fat Cockney Bastard will happily turn United into Liverpool's feeder club if the money is right. The same as 95% of clubs. I don't like Ashley or Lambyarse but not many clubs would have turned down that sort of money (8th most expensive player in history) for a young lad with half a seasons experience in the premiership. I could understand the derision directed at the board if we sold the lad for £10m just to make a quick buck but all players at all clubs (apart from maybe Chelsea and City) have a price. Especially if the player has indicated he wants to leave. Look at the ludicrous things Man City and Man Utd had to do to keep hold of their star players, we as with most clubs aren't in a position to do that. We tried it before and despite it working at first we started going backwards and the over spending wasn't helping buck the trend. If Liverpool came in with the reported £15m bid for our left back in the last year of his contract and not looking to extend then I couldn't really blame the board for accepting it. Good Post, totally agree with what your saying. exactly. why try and keep our best players when we can improve the bank balance and replace them with cheaper ones that MIGHT be just as good

Wenger himself. he said 'i've got loads of money to spend but i dont want to'?

i wouldnt say he's a joke. the way he's re-invented them as a club and guided them through the whole stadium change whilst keeping them challenging has been brilliant imo. heard an arsenal fan on 5live this morning saying he reckons they should bring in adams or keown as a number 2 and then move arsene upstairs after one season. i know its just the views of one man but thats so disrespectful to wenger imo. i really hope they ship him out because i think they'll be in for quite a shock, who's to say that there is loads of money to spend anyway?

that does beg the question, why define his ability by how much you'll get for him if you sell him? as opposed to larrson being on a free (because he doesnt want to stay at birmingham).

he's always come across as a turncoat twat to me

and we've only won 2 of them, i think?

ask him

I expect this sort of blame-game s*** from the club but I expected him to be a bit more upfront and honest and for me he hasn't been. I'd have more respect for him if he had. There are several versions of the events of that day and only those that were involved really know what happened. Maybe he is telling the truth - maybe the club is but we will probably never know. In the meantime, everyone else chooses to believe the version they want to believe. i think the summer transfer activity will largely tell the story itself. i know its hard to be exact with spending, but imo there would be a reasonable amount of investment for a club in our position. if we spend well over a reasonable amount, then they made the decision in the best interests of the team. if we spend about as much as you'd expect us to spend less the massive fee for carroll, they grabbed the money for no other reason than recouping as much as possible.

i see. seems an awful lot like old tricks to me, i remember how much laughter there was when that bid was reported, it was all so predictable, lets hope its not so predictable this summer.

oh did he? sorry wasnt aware of that.