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Simple question, why? I think there's more to it than that. Clearly the free/cheap options don't want to work under their terms imho. More in hope really, tho im not sure where the hope is coming from... It's just denial really. It's hard to face supporting the most shithouse club in the league. Yup. Unfortunately.

If that salvation is Schteve, I don't think I'd want it. The very least we deserve, if the club aren't going to bother trying to win anything, is someone who will bring interesting football/some form of likeability. He does neither. Alright, he's not Alan Pardew, but he's a bit like a shock text message off the lottery only to find you've won £2.10.

Simple question, why? I think there's more to it than that. Clearly the free/cheap options don't want to work under their terms imho.

There's a fairly big 'if' in all of that. Also, what about the poor cunts who've spends hundreds on season tickets for (yet) another season of fuck all. Why anyone would buy a season ticket with that fucknuckle as Manager is beyond me.

Typical NUFC under Ashley. Even good news turns bad.

After all the talk about Garde and Galtier I'm not sold on McLaren at all. Hopefully they'll get promoted and that will be the end of this talk. I reckon he'll still come even if they do get promoted. They're likely to go straight back down and he'd have this gig for years. Probably right LV. I'd have nothing but disdain for this appointment. At least a De Boer, Garde or whoever gives us a bit of interest for once. Heaven knows, they may even say something fucking interesting. Schteve couldn't appear interesting if he tried. Literally the most boring cunt imaginable.

This. Whoever they get in next is going to be here for an awful long time so I'm just praying it's Tuchel or Garde. Totally underwhelmed by McClaren. Aye - I'd give the cunt 6 months before fans turned on him. Massively underwhelmed if that's who we're waiting for. Ultimately, in football, money talks. If Man City were to offer £500m for Ronaldo or Messi now, they'd get them. We're in a position to offer serious dough to anyone we fancy and yet we won't even bother our asses to try to tempt them over. I fucking wish relegation on these fucking arseholes. I'd love to see us bottom 3 in April to witness them parachute any cunt they could in to save us from the drop. Terry Venables, Lawrie Sanches, Joke........you name them, they'd all be receiving desperate phonecalls Charnley so he didn't get fucked in the hoop off Ashley for sending us down because of the Charver appointment. Bunch of fucking cretins. Fuck off.

Hope this cunt starts to get some stick now btw. Losing a (albeit fucking hopeless) Manager to Crystal fucking Palace and then not being able to tempt any cunt during the season/manage to persuade the fat cunt he works for to spend a few quid is laughable. Not in the least surprised he's failed audition number 1.

Steve McClaren would become as irritating as Pardew over time imho. Can you imagine that boring, monotone twat explaining away sale after sale? He's never had teams that play a great brand of football either. He's nowhere near where I'd hoped to be. At least a roll of the dice on a Garde or whoever would be interesting for the first few months as we tried to work out how he'd set us up and approach life and management in a new country. If we appoint McClaren, the Board should be fucking shot for not being able to sell NUFC to him in January. I mean struggling to tempt a manager over from Derby fucking County. Please.

Flat on the quayside is just want he needs. Will settle him right down.

I've always felt Enrique was better over a longer period due to his consistency. Bernard was outstanding that one season.

Yeah agree with that. Enrique over OB every time for me.

Irving looks such a fucking kissarse in that photo.

Very easy to get rid of Carver. Just rile the cunt up about he the club didn't feel he'd be capable and he'll nut the door and quit the daft bellend. Cost £0.

Great post Unbelievable. One thing Charnley talked about yesterday is the need to work together and for the head coach to identify his needs to Carr to source the player and Charnley to negotiate and finalise the signing. So the process should work like this, HC says I need a CB with good height, technically sound and has a bit of pace, Carr identifies a number of candidates, with approximate costs, the three of them get together and draw up a priority list based on available budget, best fit for the club and likely price. Then charnley goes to work on getting the player in start from the top of the priority list. As you say they've been guilty way too many times in the past of getting that priority list right, with a focus way too much on price rather than ability and/or trying to get the player for under the likely selling price. They need to learn from those mistakes. Not just that. They have been guilty time after time of not bringing in players for the positions where we were weak. Charnely speaks of trust in the relationship, and how they may have to wait for the next transfer window for a certain addition because there will be a better deal to be had. That could in theory be defended, but we have seen time and time again they will happily go three, four windows without cover in a position (right back), or without a first team player of the required ability (centre back, centre forward). I see no reason why that would change with a statement that only hammers home more firmly that the head coach has very little say in the makeup of his squad. When you look at our strategy it actually makes in virtually impossible for a manager/head coach to succeed. In all of that time waiting for good quality purples (the 3-4 windows as you say) we're selling other players who are at their peak value contractually or due to outstanding form. Given we're only interested in ££££££££££'s it makes you wonder what the point of NUFC is sportingly. Perhaps the press () should ask that very question of Charnley. 'What exactly is the point of NUFC as a sporting institution?' But Pardew finished fifth though? In a year when Chelsea had Di Matteo, Liverpool were bombing and we had two inform strikers. Something we've not bothered our arses to recreate since.

Fucking bored alright. His teams were turgid.

Great post Unbelievable. One thing Charnley talked about yesterday is the need to work together and for the head coach to identify his needs to Carr to source the player and Charnley to negotiate and finalise the signing. So the process should work like this, HC says I need a CB with good height, technically sound and has a bit of pace, Carr identifies a number of candidates, with approximate costs, the three of them get together and draw up a priority list based on available budget, best fit for the club and likely price. Then charnley goes to work on getting the player in start from the top of the priority list. As you say they've been guilty way too many times in the past of getting that priority list right, with a focus way too much on price rather than ability and/or trying to get the player for under the likely selling price. They need to learn from those mistakes. Not just that. They have been guilty time after time of not bringing in players for the positions where we were weak. Charnely speaks of trust in the relationship, and how they may have to wait for the next transfer window for a certain addition because there will be a better deal to be had. That could in theory be defended, but we have seen time and time again they will happily go three, four windows without cover in a position (right back), or without a first team player of the required ability (centre back, centre forward). I see no reason why that would change with a statement that only hammers home more firmly that the head coach has very little say in the makeup of his squad. When you look at our strategy it actually makes in virtually impossible for a manager/head coach to succeed. In all of that time waiting for good quality purples (the 3-4 windows as you say) we're selling other players who are at their peak value contractually or due to outstanding form. Given we're only interested in ££££££££££'s it makes you wonder what the point of NUFC is sportingly. Perhaps the press () should ask that very question of Charnley. 'What exactly is the point of NUFC as a sporting institution?'

Which is what those people are suggesting should happen, not what they believe will happen. No different to the people saying we should have a traditional manager who has the final say on transfers, when obviously we know that won't happen either. I doubt anyone here believes we can produce a great system that will bring in a very balanced quality squad. But that also doesn't mean the director of Football/head coach system is a bad thing, because that's not what stops us from getting that kind of squad, Mike Ashley and the constraints he puts on the kind of signings we can make stops us from getting that kind of squad and that won't change with or without the current setup in place. There's absolutely nothing in the Charnley statement to suggest that there will be a healthy relationship between the head coach, chief scout/DoF and MD/dealmaker, so I'm just astounded reading so many people's optimism regarding us openly stating that the new manager will have very little say in transfers. That is all. It's just a system devised for maximum profit in the transfer market, not one supporting what should be the main focus of a football club, i.e. the (first team) manager and his squad of players. Amen to that.

More eloquent than me. I obviously agree. I cannot see how it can work.

Fair.

And yet AP took us from 5th to 16th and was never in danger apparently. He didn't, though. We were 12th when he took over, finished 12th that season, 5th the next, then 16th, then 10th. That obviously constituted enough of a track record to consolidate his position as someone to solidly maintain PL status. Carver can't emulate that. Carver would argue that he'd managed in a time of upheaval without having the ability to confirm his permanent position to the playing squad etc. We also got bashed by Liverpool, Sunderland etc during that drop to 16th and they'd never had a replacement lined up for the bloke so it's not unlike them to do ridiculous things. Depends which side of bed Ashley gets out of.

And yet AP took us from 5th to 16th and was never in danger apparently.

He'd give them a bit of steel and presence which they still lack IMO. I don't think they would sign him though, probably just made up. If steel and presence means giving away possession and free kicks then I agree. He's a liability and we should get shot if anyone is stupid enough to take him. With more movement around him I think he'll give the ball quicker and we might see him back to the player we saw when he first arrived when he was undeniably good. I think Wenger could get him to do a job tbh, but he wouldn't pay £9m for him. Agreed.

But why do you think the solution to that problem is to give 100% control of transfers to a new manager? I mean had we just changed and given full control to Pardew does that fix things? We don't bring in those players he ruined, no instead we bring in utter fucking dross. Surely the better solution is to find a man who can work with Carr, a man who is a talented tactician, can motivate players, can coach a goof style of play and has a Footballing philosophy that matches Carr. What's the point of putting words in people's mouths like that? How am I putting words in his mouth? Are you talking about the fact he said "final say" and I said "100% control"? Ok, lets do this again then.. He's just said that he can't believe people don't want the new manager to have the final say on transfers and goes on to give the example of Pardew not playing some of the players bought for him as the reason for that assertion. So I'm asking why is the only solution to that problem to give the manager final say on transfers? Rather than finding a head coach who isn't a fucking dunce, who can appreciate a good player? When did I saw it was "the only solution"? It helps a manager (any manager, not just Pardew) to do his job better if he can have the final say on who is bought. I can't make it any simpler than that. As far as I can see, the role of head coach is just picking the team and motivating them. Hardly rocket science but it could be a lot easier if he can have an opinion on who he's working with. Yep.