Ronaldo

Great, let's drop Rooney for Crouch then while we're at it.

We wouldn't as he was still in his self imposed exile then. He'd have never retired if not for the likes of Terry keeping him out of the team.

Carrick ahead of Lampard, says it all about you, really does.

Thank christ we have John Terry. Otherwise we'd have probably given Carragher a starting role in the qualifiers, and we wouldn't have even made it to South Africa.

Not sure why you've quoted that post. Lampard wasn't our penalty taker in 2004. Barry Lennon Lampard Gerrard Cole Rooney

How many weren't pens? Why would they be pens?

He plays for Chelsea, the team is absolutely full of stars. Gerrard, fair point.

Typical elitist rubbish. He's bought very well with very limited funds.

can you quantify that Dave? Do you mean statistically? I can't be bothered to look it up to be perfectly honest, I just feel far more let down by Gerrard over the years considering what he has done for Liverpool in the same timeframe. Gerrard was worldclass against Germany 5-1. Apart from that neither Gerrard & Lampard have really done anything of note for me. Short memory. Lampard was easily the driving force behind WC 06 qualification. Not to mention his excellent performances in Euro 04. and when the major tournament games came around? Read it again, Shakespeare.

can you quantify that Dave? Do you mean statistically? I can't be bothered to look it up to be perfectly honest, I just feel far more let down by Gerrard over the years considering what he has done for Liverpool in the same timeframe. well i'm the same but the other way, FL has scored 20+ goals in the PL for 5 seasons running 5 seasons he couldn't hit a 10 yard pass against the states domestic and international football are 2 different things In what way?

can you quantify that Dave? Do you mean statistically? I can't be bothered to look it up to be perfectly honest, I just feel far more let down by Gerrard over the years considering what he has done for Liverpool in the same timeframe. Gerrard was worldclass against Germany 5-1. Apart from that neither Gerrard & Lampard have really done anything of note for me. Short memory. Lampard was easily the driving force behind WC 06 qualification. Not to mention his excellent performances in Euro 04.

I'll call shenanigans on Lampard then, probably Terry too. Cappello, who has won almost everything in the game of football, can't make Lampard work at International level neither could all of the other previous managers...so it's them is it? And not Frank. It's only Steve Mac and Capello who've failed. Lampard scored and created a lot under Sven. In which major tournaments? 1 out of 2. when did he perform? what games did he run and win for us? i know we've been here before but he doesn't have the right stuff for international football ( as an Englishman) no matter how much you try to say he does He doesn't have the right stuff for Algeria and USA but consistently gets more goals and assists than anyone from midfield in the world's best league? It's utter tripe, man. Give him the freedom to play higher up the park and he'll excel. gah! you've actually just said "the worlds best league", and meant it wow ok...so what excuses him then? seriously 'cause he can't pass or score or even be dangerous...it truly eludes me what he offers when not playing for chelsea, and that goes for Terry too. Now you're taking the piss. Show me a better English CB than Terry who isn't Rio Ferdinand.

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I'll call shenanigans on Lampard then, probably Terry too. Cappello, who has won almost everything in the game of football, can't make Lampard work at International level neither could all of the other previous managers...so it's them is it? And not Frank. It's only Steve Mac and Capello who've failed. Lampard scored and created a lot under Sven. In which major tournaments? 1 out of 2. when did he perform? what games did he run and win for us? i know we've been here before but he doesn't have the right stuff for international football ( as an Englishman) no matter how much you try to say he does He doesn't have the right stuff for Algeria and USA but consistently gets more goals and assists than anyone from midfield in the world's best league? It's utter tripe, man. Give him the freedom to play higher up the park and he'll excel.

I'll call shenanigans on Lampard then, probably Terry too. Cappello, who has won almost everything in the game of football, can't make Lampard work at International level neither could all of the other previous managers...so it's them is it? And not Frank. It's only Steve Mac and Capello who've failed. Lampard scored and created a lot under Sven. In which major tournaments? 1 out of 2.

I'll call shenanigans on Lampard then, probably Terry too. Cappello, who has won almost everything in the game of football, can't make Lampard work at International level neither could all of the other previous managers...so it's them is it? And not Frank. It's only Steve Mac and Capello who've failed. Lampard scored and created a lot under Sven.

A shit international defender who's let England down on the pitch how many times?

Anyone can surely see how good those players are. If Capello can't make a team out of them, he's failed and deserves the sack.

Yep. The commentary on our games with Ipswich and Sheff Wed (a) was worse than owt i'd ever heard before. Constantly praising Butt for losing the ball then chasing after it.

Nice backtrack. There was no backtrack, read the first post, I used the words 'just about'. Honestly, get a fucking life.

Nice edit. Drogba, Terry, Cole and Essien would be in your team, no?

When I said 'world Xl' I meant (just about) any existing team in the world, mate. Perhaps I should have just said that. For a 'fantasy Xl' - ie the best team I could dream up, i'd go with this: Julio Cesar Maicon Lucio Terry Cole Xavi Essien Lampard Ronaldo Drogba Messi Hope this eliminates confusion.

If we were talking about a world Xl, I'd personally pick Terry, Cole and Lampard without much hesitation and Rooney would certainly make the bench.

I would too, but that's a fantasy Xl. What I was trying to get at, was just about every club would be interested in signing and starting those 5. That's moved the goalposts a little tbh. Lampard & Gerrard > Xavi, Iniesta or Essien? Not sure what we're going for here. I didn't say that though, mate. In my original post I said "all but the very best teams." Madrid would take Lampard or Gerrard in an eyeblink, imo.

I would too, but that's a fantasy Xl. What I was trying to get at, was just about every club would be interested in signing and starting those 5.