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I believe he bought the club as a plaything so he could have a bit of fun and go to matches etc. Then he thought he could continue running it cheaply by implementing his recruitment system, a need compounded by the extra debt he discovered after not completing his due diligence properly. He then brought back the wrong manager to fit into the system, maybe because he was naive about Keegan and what he meant to people here. Keegan then walks, the chaos ensues, and Ashley bottles out very easily when he realises it won't be fun anymore. I was a fan of Ashley, but the way he caved in and put the club up for sale brings him down in my estimations. If he really thought owning a football club was just going to be a pie, pint and popular decisions he was an idiot. That's his biggest problem IMO.

'Fans' having a poll to decide who our worst player is when we're in the shit is a little bit embarassing to be honest.

Er, no - his decision has caused the results IMO... we'd still be doing alright if he hadn't walked away. I would get behind him if he returned, but for me the recent incidents have soured my love for Keegan permanently. He'll never mean the same to me after this as he did before, and that's maybe the saddest thing about the whole debacle.

I agree, we get the club we deserve sometimes. The OP has a point obviously, the fans aren't 'to blame' as such, but we've certainly led to the escalation of what might have been managed as a minor incident into a complete disaster for the club.

Just want any kind of result from any game of football, the sooner the better please.

You seriously think he wrote it himself? I don't know, I haven't heard anyone doubting it until now. Even if he didn't, that's all the more reason to think what I was implying, that he might decide to hang on after all.

The original 'I got the message, I'm selling' statement is looking more like an emotional and instinctive reaction to the protests and the general hatred directed towards him. Nobody is immune to that kind of reaction.

Aye, I agree with you in principle, I would love to see us competing fully as well. Maybe the Man City and Leeds examples are extremes. Hopefully the new owners can find a way to do a reasonable amount of speculating without putting the club in jeopardy. Then with a bit of luck maybe we can do something. Obviously the easiest way is if they have infinite personal wealth to subsidise us with!

Sorry, I could only support Newcastle since I was born, can't do any better than that I'm afraid. I'll try to rephrase it differently. Why should one of the biggest clubs in the country EVER be "patient". Shouldn't we ALWAYS be expecting to challenge and show the ambition to challenge on that very basis ? Don't you think that we understand that this "planning" and "patience" is absolutely no guarantee of anything ? Do you understand that lots of other clubs are attempting to preach "patience" that might get in the way of our own hopes too ? In football........things change quickly, often and unexpectedly all the time....today and the immediate future, is ALL that matters. Get the supporters in, and if you are a big club, keep them in. Yeah, I completely agree that we are one of the bigger clubs and we should be challenging. If we've got the financial clout to go out and get the big players then we should do it. But surely everyone would think like that? Any owner would go out and get the best players if it was possible and sustainable to do so, wouldn't they? I don't think you'll find many people disagreeing with you on that point, I certainly don't. All I would say is that 'today and the immediate future is all that matters' is a bit worrying, what about the Leeds situation, where you're financed up to the hilt so that one failure to qualify for the champions league leads to meltdown?

Sorry, I could only support Newcastle since I was born, can't do any better than that I'm afraid.

haha. go and look up when we last won something son. Is that not half the problem though? I mean, the fact that we have been rubbish for ages doesn't mean we should suddenly expect to be great. Just the opposite, it means we should be prepared for a steady period of rebuilding and progress, from the situation we find outselves in now. But somehow we aren't, the longer we go without winning something the worse it gets, particularly now when a large proportion of our fans only remember us being top 6 material. People like you but there are plenty of us who go back a lot longer. I know there are, what's your point?

haha. go and look up when we last won something son. Is that not half the problem though? I mean, the fact that we have been rubbish for ages doesn't mean we should suddenly expect to be great. Just the opposite, it means we should be prepared for a steady period of rebuilding and progress, from the situation we find outselves in now. But somehow we aren't, the longer we go without winning something the worse it gets, particularly now when a large proportion of our fans only remember us being top 6 material.

Lawro's predictions don't seem that biased to me, they just seem safe. He almost always just backs the home team or the big club, which is all you can do really. I do hate him though, obviously.

I can't work it out either way, that's why I can't be slagging off Ashley and Wise. It's a riddle wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a scotch egg casing.

I agree the decision to bring him back now seems sentimental and wrong in the circumstances. But wasn't it us (the fans) that just assumed we would be spending big because Ashley was a billionairre? Did he ever actually promise anything like that?

What have they been doing since christmas then? Think I said, getting in players of the right quality. I don't know what the average number of signings for a club is in the time we've had, but what would you have been happy with? A whole new first team? A new squad? Rebuilding takes time, we need to forget we used to be title challengers and live in the real world. That means a mid-table club with big potential, if handled right.

Sadly I would take 17th at this moment in time, as we look very unlikely to acheive anything this season anyway. So if there was a magical way to guarantee premiership football next season, I would definitely take it.

We were never going to be able to recruit the volume of players we needed in one transfer window. Firstly, that is a lot of signings, and secondly, it requires getting some of the wasters off the wage bill. The important thing was we were getting players in of the right quality, and moving in the right direction. The impatience of some people is staggering.

It seems to have already taken a position that I don't agree with, but all the same I think it is a good idea for people to get their views out there. I'll read the full blurb and give it a chance.

This is the sort of comment that makes other clubs' fans think that NUFC supporters have ideas above their station...Wenger and Ferguson's opinions carry a great deal more weight(justifiably)than this sort of remark on a fans' website. It also smacks of arrogance - despite disagreeing with your views, I still acknowledge that you are entitled to them , so it is a bit silly to say that these 2 top managers should 'keep their beaks out'.. In fact, such a comment could even be construed by some as being from a Board Ally.......! Dude Just to clarify, I'm definitely not suggesting that I know more about football then Ferguson or Wenger. And, as you say, I don't think my views 'have more weight', whatever that means. This is all about opinions though isn't it? All I'm saying is that is what I would expect fellow managers to say, they will always come out and support one of their own. And in terms of commenting on the situation at Newcastle, yes I would prefer if they minded their own business. Not sure what 'board ally' means, but I've agued the case sympathetically for Ashley at times, so I think my views are out there.

Precisely. True, but you also need a world class recruitment team and connections with clubs worldwide. They might find a couple of youngsters from the Ivory Coast that are quality, but they've signed and released another 25 to get them. Wenger might have the final say and then be able to get the best out of these players, but he's not responsible for finding them all. I would say it is his ability to recognise a player's strengths and instill self belief that are his greatest strength. That and the style of football he imposes.

I suppose that's why I was so willing to support Ashley and his long term plan. If we're going to come 5th-10th anyway, we may as well do it the right way. Obviously if I gave up NUFC I would be watching football a lot less. Could never do that though, as long as there is an NUFC I could never follow football without supporting them. I'd love to see that, but it would have to be a worldwide consensus, which I can't ever see being possible. And it would be like turkeys voting for Christmas, the owners, agents and officials are all beneficiaries of the massive amount of money in football.

Surely the only way for the fans to 'own but not run' the club would be for it to be made a public limited company again, with the fans as shareholders? Then we would be back to the previous situation where it is theoretically possible for us to choose who is the chairman, but only every so often and only from the candidates that put themselves forward. Then when he is in power he will take actions that will divide the fans just like the current owner does. And, like at Madrid, he will be forced to promise unrealistic signings that will unbalance the team in order to get reelected. If you don't like Ashley's PR then be prepared to drown in a tidal wave of populist, sycophantic drivel during the run up to an election.

I respect Wenger and Fergie, but they are bound to stick up for a fellow manager above a businessman they've never met, and they don't know what really went on any more than we do. My preffered situation would be for them to keep their beaks out.

West Ham are starting to rival us in the perma-crock stakes. Partly because they bought a few of ours obviously.