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Well apart from the 10 or so clubs that have actually won something during that period We've had some good times, but for the amount we've spent, the return has been very poor. Not so sure, the majority of premiership clubs would swap their records 1992-2000ish with ours. I would rather have our record than won the Carling Cup just so we can 'have some silverware'.

Were you the Scarlet Pimpernel?

I think they're definitely right this time though!

I strangely enjoy reading that list, reminds me that we have done something decent... most premiership clubs would gladly have swapped places with us over the years.

Sorry I haven't read through this whole thread, but I can't see anything Dennis Wise has done wrong. From what we can see he seems to be doing a good job and coming up with some decent youngsters. If he was Scottish or something instead of from London, and was a 'nicer guy', we wouldn't be having this discussion.

What the feck has the amount of players we sign got to do with Harry Redknapp? I'm tired so I'm being harsh, but that's a stupid post.

What I've seen of him he looks class, definitely, would be very pleased to get him... ideal understudy for Beye.

Bernard was brilliant for most of his time here, probably just got some bad advice about his true worth and went off looking for a better deal. I remember he was talking about all of the big clubs that would be interested in him if he left!

Seems like some of the press might be extracting their heads from Harry's anus. It's about time.

You won't be getting it then. It's always been that way, they'll give you hundreds of shit channels for £12 or something, want Sky Sports? £40. Aye I know, I never expect it to happen!

I still think he bought the club for the fun factor and that went with the protests against him but I still agree that he should have tried to tough it out. He'll never have a better time to come back now that most people understand the state of the club and why some things have been done in the way that they have. Completely agree, he may as well give it a shot, if it turns around he could well end up being liked again. As impossible as that seems now, people have short memories.

For me the Bobby days are almost even more special, the Keegan era is a bit hazy in my mind but the Robson days were amazing.

@ the truth in that one! But why? Can't be the facts, they've never stopped anyone before!

I think it's time Ashley came back to the games, we need him to be involved. I don't think he should have ever stopped, obviously he would have needed to move to the director's box to avoid being ripped to shreds, but he should have stuck with it.

would love him here. Me too, would be amazing. Was the first person we should have turned to when keegan left. we would be in a completely different situation right now if he had been brought in. Owen would more than likely have re-signed, more players would be interested in joining us and might well have already done that. Given our current situation he would be a great choice to take over in the summer, there will be few better options available. He'd of been my 3rd choice behind Deschamps and Zico. Deschamps becasue he's young talented knows Wise and will have a good grasp of the market, and Zico becasue he's used to working in this type of set up, has a decent coaching record and is a huge name in the game both like playing attacking football. Houllier might actually appeal to Ashley as he might fit the system quite well and is also a 'name' that might pacify the fans for a bit. Almost dare to dream it might happen!

Given Taylor Coloccini Bassong Zog Jonas Barton LuaLua Lovenk Owen Carroll Edit - unless Enrique is fit, if he is he goes in.

That type of attitude is exactly the reason why we are in so much s*** at the moment. please elaborate. Over paying on wages for players that in reality, aren't that good and not worth anywhere near the money they're on. Also at the wrong age and off the back of a major injury.

would love him here. Me too, would be amazing.

I agree with you 100% my man, unfortunately we reacted like Keegan leaving was the apocalypse and we can't undo the damage we caused. At the same time, Ashley should have just ridden the wave and stuck to his strategy... he was naive in thinking he would always be popular with the fans.

I wouldn't mind seeing Martins on the right of a 433, might be he can cut inside more and get shots in.

not a chance. Not unless the owner does not care about being popular with the fans and just sticks with a manager they believe in. Looks like we need this kind of manager like Moyes who can manage on a shoestring and steadily improve until such time that the club is in a healthier financial position. This could take a few years and would take patience that I do not believe our fans have got enough of. Most fans of most clubs are the same now, but some owners are prepared to take the wrath of the fans for the short term, while quietly building for the longer term. To be honest that's the key, I'm the first to say our fans expect too much and turn against the club/team too easily, but at the end of the day it's up to the people in charge to see past that and stick to their long term plan. No club can be run pandering to the changing whims of the fans.

That's the key, but the difficult thing is - how do you know when someone should be given time and will turn it around, and when they're just shit? In our case I'm pretty convinced our managers were just shit. I am as well, I always disagree with people who say Allardyce should have been given more time.

But we can all see from the accounts and what Ashley said about clearing tonnes of debt that money is tight, and everyone is still whinging about the lack of signings.

That's the key, but the difficult thing is - how do you know when someone should be given time and will turn it around, and when they're just shit?

In a related question, how come all our celebrity fans are freaks? Actually, Gabby was probably the most normal one :-[