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http://www.wiganlatics.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10429~1560451,00.html South Korean defensive midfielder Cho Won-Hee on trial with Wigan. He'll be on a free if they choose to sign him. We absolutely should have been in for him. He's not much of a technician but he's got an absolutely ridiculous engine and tackles very well. Known as "the Korean Gattuso" With any luck, Bruce may be unearthing another hidden gem for nowt.

To be fair, he really wasn't that bad before he came here. He's never been a prolific striker but he used to have much more of a positive influence for both Leeds and to a certain extent Man Utd. Some his faults appear to be mental ones, so I don't know how much of an excuse this is, but he's had his problems with injuries, mainly that one at Liverpool which seems to have been the turning point for him (and not in a good way). That number was quickly lifted from Wikipedia. IMO he was never good enough to play for England. Media hype-machine got him a lot more attention than he deserved.

19 caps for Alan Smith you'd think he was playing for the Faroe Islands or something.

Hard to see how sitting at the pub would be any sadder than ah.... posting here.

From whom? the fans/mongs. That's kinda tarring people with the same brush and it's not really fair. Dalglish - class manager, did ok, fans give him no time Gullit - s**** manager, did dhite, fans gave him no time in the world Sir Bobby - class manager, did well, fans gave him all the time in the worlduntil we finished 5th and the fans turn on his back. Souness - s**** manager, did s****, fans gave him no time Roeder - s**** manager, did s****, fans gave him no time Allardyce - s**** manager, did s****, fans gave him no time Keegan - class manager, did well in the grand scheme of things, fans gave him all the time in the world Kinnear - meh Should we, by some stroke of luck, appoint someone like Martinez - his 'time' would depend entirely on how he started. I don't think he'd unpopular appointment but he is a bit of an unknown quantity. If he started badly then fans would get on his back instantly... so in fairness to you, in this respect you would be right calling them mongs - given where we are atm, and given the potential of this manager. In the past however - whenever a manager hasn't been given time, the fans have been dead right tbh. So its not fair but he's right. Im sorry but i disagree with most of that post, newcastle fans wont see the sense in this appointment becasue there are only 3 types of managers who are good enough for this club - the world class appointments, the local lengends and the flavour of the months. Martinsez isnt mentioned enough on match of the day to be considerd flavour of the month yet. No time - no chance to succeed. Out of the 8 appointments, in my opinion nufc fans have called it right 4 times, definitely. As far as lower league managers go, he pretty much is the current flavor of the month already. Just read some of the papers, the media wanking machine is in full swing. By the end of the season, I think he'll be high enough in status that even most of the "mong" fans will give him time. He's already being called "the next Arsene Wenger"

Why is NUSC honestly surprised that Llambias and co. isn't entirely keen on meeting with them? News Flash! Your primary goal is his removal! NUSC: "hey Derek, we demand a sit down with you so you can listen to our demands." Llambias: "Oh alright, what do you want then?" NUSC: "your head on a platter." Llambias:

Who's picking the team on Sunday by the way? Kinnear from hospital or is it now totally Hughton's gig? Kinnear hasn't even played Smith before, bit harsh to assume that he would have started him if he was here

I sense another cult forming

Lets bump all our player threads on Saturday morning, just in case you're on to something.

Likes of Smitih/Butt/Duff/Cacapa/Geremi are just really, really bad players. I haven't seen anything about them that makes me fault their attitude. Carroll's a cunt, but he's not visible enough for me care.

If there's one good thing about our currents squad, it's that everyone seems so... likable. Just looking at the interviews we've seen from Bassong, Colo, Enrique, Nolan, Raylor and Harper etc. they've all come off as top blokes who enjoy playing for the club. No more shit-stirrers like Insomnia or lazy wasters like Carr. There's not a single member of our current squad that I honestly hate.

This is exactly my question to NE5, and he will not answer it except to say Ashley is a clueless knobjockey etcetera etcetera Looks like you're right. Oh well. He won't answer because he can't answer it. Just keep on harping back to the 70's and 80's and the glory champions league nights which none of us have the slightest clue about. eeerrr.....exactly. Now, toonlass. I know I said this yesterday, but rather than get accused by somebody of "derailing the thread" when I didn't, I'll at least try to make it debateable now that its gone in this direction. Genuine question. You have yourself, Colos short and curlies [sorry if thats not quite right mate I still think of you as Scott parkers 60's haircut], madras, whatthefunk, a few others, taking the side of outright prudency in one corner. In the other, you have me, UV, Spence [maybe], johnnypd, and one or two others, and Dave sort of in the middle but wavering over to "our" side because he's very bothered by the current position and other things. We were all very pleased when Keegan walked through the door, weren't we ? [apart from one or two like ozzie and Baggio who have expressed their opinions of him ie quitter and all of that bollocks, IMO]. Why were you pleased. Was it because you envisaged the club spending some money to back him and getting back into europe and better ? If that were still the case, what would you now be saying ? Also - if Ashley had kept Given, and spent say 20m quid not just to get away from the foot of the table, but with a concrete desire to improve the fortunes of the club, which also improve the financial position if these new players are successful [which is the key]. What would you be saying ? Would you be pleased, or would you be saying that we shouldn't be doing this because of the debts ? I'm going out now, I don't give a toss about the snow. I don't want to derail, but hopefully there will be some good honest replies. well, this is now 4 days later, and it would appear nobody ie those who continue to say that I'm wrong and they are right, has replied to what was a genuine question. Even you know why nobody answers you, right? As I've said before (and you've said you don't care), you'd get a lot more respect if you took time to answer questions rather than being the smug, intolerant, self righteous old man you've become. Become? He was probably born from his mother's womb screaming "what do you think of a manager who has won 4 titles with 2 different clubs and 3 manager of the year awards?" to the doctor instead of crying.

Judging by all the glowing interviews coming out from our camp recently, it seems like Kinnear's ordeal has actually had a positive effect on morale and brought everyone together as a team. If one of Nolan/Guthrie are available and Oba is fit, I think we're in with a chance.

Wonder what it is about Italian players that makes them so fit well into their mid-thirties.

Have a feeling our kit is going to look absurdly bad after seeing Chelsea's.

Nah, his "forums" are about as real as joe's "loan signings"

Too expensive too old wouldn't settle. Makes absolutely no sense. Which is probably why we'll sign him

Of course, Swansea passing us by on their way up would be the ultimate irony. Although I'd love to see them come up. Wouldn't they be the "smallest" club to play in the Premiership in quite some time?

Not really. The media hype-machine is in full swing. His name is getting out there now and he'll be in high demand come summer. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that he could get a better job than ours. First line I'm not so sure about. I'd say he is getting some good exposure for the good work he is doing. High demand? - well that requires lots of clubs to be without a manager at the same time? Also, how would you quantify what is a better job than ours? is it one with more money? bigger stadium? better players? in Europe already? - I understand your point, but not sure what clubs that are doing better than us are looking like sacking their manager and going for Martinez. Surely the media hype-machine is getting to you sir? I don't have anywhere particular in mind but we're not exactly the most attractive proposition in the world and I could imagine him turning us down for someplace decent. Just a feeling, that's all. That's fair enough, I guess it's going to take me longer and some more success to Martinez before I'm feeling the same. It's all moot anyway since we'll apparently have Joe Kinnear in charge until the end of time.

I'm not complaining. We might actually get some players fit for the next game after this break. Portsmouth get the "we've got rid of that idiot" bounce after getting rid of Adams. Sunderland also got that after getting rid of Keane. Hope we have a similar experience next week with Kinnear's (temporary?) absence. Four teams have gotten immediate bounces this year after getting rid of their idiot manager: Spurs, Sunderland, Blackburn, and Portsmouth. We'll be shitting ourselves once Boro rocket past us after sacking Southgate.

Not really. The media hype-machine is in full swing. His name is getting out there now and he'll be in high demand come summer. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that he could get a better job than ours. First line I'm not so sure about. I'd say he is getting some good exposure for the good work he is doing. High demand? - well that requires lots of clubs to be without a manager at the same time? Also, how would you quantify what is a better job than ours? is it one with more money? bigger stadium? better players? in Europe already? - I understand your point, but not sure what clubs that are doing better than us are looking like sacking their manager and going for Martinez. Surely the media hype-machine is getting to you sir? I don't have anywhere particular in mind but we're not exactly the most attractive proposition in the world and I could imagine him turning us down for someplace decent. Just a feeling, that's all.

See what happens when you know when to sack your manager?

Not really. The media hype-machine is in full swing. His name is getting out there now and he'll be in high demand come summer. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that he could get a better job than ours.

It's slowly going from the point where he's a bit of a gamble to the point where he's to good for us.

Is the correct answer that everyone who keeps biting should realize instead of continuing to waste bandwith on the forum out of some unlikely hope that he'll ever admit to being wrong. gave up on that a while back.......a straight answer would do me. You should know by now that the chances of you getting either are approximately 0. If no one responds to NE5, no more threads get hijacked, and he doesn't get the attention he so craves. He'll disappear on his own. i don't want him to disappear. i think he's a canny bloke with an achiles heel (we all have them). this place wouldn't be the same without an ne5 baiting corner. i'd like him to post on other things though aswell. You get your fun from where you want I guess. For me he's just the worst kind of troll who goes a long way towards bringing down the level of intelligent discourse in this forum. I agree that he's capable of making very sensible posts when he's not talking about his favorite topic, but it's really just one or two gems wrapped up in a towering mountain of s***. Personally, I know exactly what I'm going to do when we get the long-awaited ignore function.