oldtype

Just about everyone except Mike Ashley agrees with you 100%

In the summer That's going to be too f***ing late. Also, sounds like one of those nothing rumors that papers start just because they're difficult to confirm or deny.

All that matters for me. You'd want Shearer? His name isn't Joe Kinnear. Good enough for me.

All that matters for me.

He's developed us a healthy £8million fee if nothing else. If we can say that about our 'superior' players then we are better than I thought. Of course a manager will pay more for a 22 year old with "potential" than a 29 year old who's at the end of his rope.

By the end of last season most were agreed that Smith up front made Ameobi look like a genuine goal threat. Smith makes Ameobi look like Ibrahamovich. Just like he makes Butt look like Mascherano.

Reality is our first team is now worse than it was in December. Of the £10M Kinnear allegedly was handed for transfers, the club have spunked a whopping f*** all, not counting profit from the sales of our best player and a whinging French c***. harper or given? given is better, although its a lot closer than some people think. nolan or butt, geremi, smith or the ever reliable barton? thats easy. lovenkrands or n'zogbia? a player who wouldnt have ever kicked a ball for us again or anybody? easy. taylor is very versatile and a decent player who'll add depth. if kinnear was handed £10 million then blame him if you're not happy. I've seen you made this point a few times already, but up until this week N'Zogbia was willing to play for us and arguably one of our few players capable of creating anything resembling a goalscoring opportunity, which is something you completely fail to consider.. Not to mention one of the few players who could run 10 yards without needing an inhaler. Not to mention that he was a whinging little s*** who has been trying to get away from the club for the past three years, Or that despite running around the pitch aimlessly with his wonderful "pace," he was a complete headless chicken who's produced about as much as Damien f***ing Duff over the past three years. That's bollocks though. He's produced vastly more despite having no more than a dozen games in the same position. Same numbers of goals and assists. Roughly the same number of appearances (around 60 over the past 3 years) because Duff has been injured so often. Zog is case in point #1 of the "OMG he's got pace he's got to be awesome" syndrome. What other positive qualities are there to his game other than being able to take on his man once in a blue moon? Duff also creates smooth, creative moves maybe once every couple of games. But when he does it it's a one-off. Zog just looks better because he's moving really fast when he's doing it. Neither contributes enough. How on Earth do you come to the conclusion that they have the same number of assists? I'd count the number of games N'Zogbia has played on the left wing if I could be bothered. Bet it's no more than 15. Because they both have an assist and a goal apiece this season. They're both players who rarely produce anything of substance. As for Zog, he's played around 15 games on the left wing this season alone. Charlie got seven assists last season. Duff has one in the past two years. Your last sentence is ludicrous. I count seven (3 wins, 3 draws, 1 defeat, including our best run of the season). So I went and actually did the research. Dear God I don't believe I bothered to dig all of this up. Duff has 67 apps, 5 goals, and 6 assists in the past three seasons. Zog has 68 apps, 5 goals, and 10 assists. So yeah he does assist more. Still pretty piss poor records for both though. As for Zog's games started on left wing this year Coventry City Away Win Arsenal Away Loss Spurs Home (CC) Loss Blackburn Home Loss Everton Away Draw Wigan Home Draw Chelsea Away Draw Boro Away Draw Stoke Home Draw Portsmouth Away Win Spurs Home Win Wigan Away Loss Liverpool Home Loss The two Hull fiascos Blackburn Away Loss That's sixteen starts on the left wing. Ludicrous? Most of those 68 games of Charlie's have been at left back so it's a ludicrous comparison in terms of goals and assists, yet he still manages to come out on top. They're also largely in fits and starts rather than a consistent run in the team which makes a massive difference in terms of form and confidence. I've underestimated the amount of games he's played there, you're right, but some of them in there are wrong, the two Hull games and the two Wigan games mainly. He was having a superb run before Wigan (a), was shuffled to LB for the despicable Duff and that's where this current fiasco with him started and ended, at the JJB. "Most" of his games? Wake up man! The whole idea of using Zog as a left back only even started under Big Sam last season. He's played the majority of his games on the wing. Incidentally, Charlie's scored 3 of his 5 goals from the left back position. Would you rather make a comparison based solely on both players' starts while playing in their preferred positions? I can guarantee you it wont' be any more favorable. Face it, the only reason you love the despicable French waster so much is because Damien Duff occasionally kept him out of the team The team's results with Charlie on the left are far better than with Duff there, I'd be happy to see a comparison but since the club's worst run of form for 40 years started and ended with Damien Duff's return and subsequent binning, I reckon I'm right. You've got it the wrong way round. I despise Duff because his name has been used by idiot managers to ruin the best young player we've had in 15 years - that and he's been one of the worst players to play for Newcastle in my time supporting the club of course. It's pointless man. You get the same criticisms of Martins, despite the fact when he's out of the side we look like a f***ing Championship team, full of a bunch of one-paced wonders passing the ball carefully sideways and getting beat. There is no comparison whatsoever with N'Zogbia and Martins. Martins has saved our asses with his goals on numerous occasions. N'Zogbia has accomplished nothing. I said both players get the same criticism, i.e., headless chickens, lack of intelligence and so on. He was worth his weight in gold if only for his selling fee. If we can find a buyer for Duff at a quarter of that and you'll have a point. Martins has qualities that more than make up for his downfalls. N'Zogbia's a bit pacy and that's it. A bit pacy, can tackle, cross, beat a man and shoot. Other than that I agree, he's ordinairy. Pacy? Yes Beats a man once in a while, just like Duff does? Yes Can tackle? Cross? Shoot? I forgot to mention he's a hard b****** as well. Those are always useful in your team. Did you see Damien Duff getting tossed around like a rag doll in the first half on the touchline? Wait, you've been winding me up, right? Hard b******? mackems.gif

If you want to look at moments, how about that "moment" against Blackburn where Carroll was it? Knocked one on to the Zog and he just stopped running for it.

I think buying an 17 year old from a Ligue 2 reserve side is a bit different, semantics though, I still think it and Bobby Robson agrees with me. Everyone else is confident Duff will keep us up and that's fine too, albeit wrong. Wullie get a grip you're completely NE5ing here. Nobody is saying that Duff is good enough to keep us up, we just have some serious, rational doubts about whether N'Zogbia is significantly better. Agree with most of what oldtype has put in this thread, apart from I do rate zog, I don't think he's as good as some people make out on here infact if the fee is around 7 - 8 million I think we've done great getting that. is zog better than duff? yes. Is zog Great? is he f***! will losing zog make a massive differance to us staying in the league? don't htink so.. For what it's worth if they're both fit and only one spot was open, I'd pick N'Zogbia over duff. Just don't think he's so much better that losing him makes us more likely to be relegated.

Reality is our first team is now worse than it was in December. Of the £10M Kinnear allegedly was handed for transfers, the club have spunked a whopping f*** all, not counting profit from the sales of our best player and a whinging French c***. harper or given? given is better, although its a lot closer than some people think. nolan or butt, geremi, smith or the ever reliable barton? thats easy. lovenkrands or n'zogbia? a player who wouldnt have ever kicked a ball for us again or anybody? easy. taylor is very versatile and a decent player who'll add depth. if kinnear was handed £10 million then blame him if you're not happy. I've seen you made this point a few times already, but up until this week N'Zogbia was willing to play for us and arguably one of our few players capable of creating anything resembling a goalscoring opportunity, which is something you completely fail to consider.. Not to mention one of the few players who could run 10 yards without needing an inhaler. Not to mention that he was a whinging little s*** who has been trying to get away from the club for the past three years, Or that despite running around the pitch aimlessly with his wonderful "pace," he was a complete headless chicken who's produced about as much as Damien f***ing Duff over the past three years. That's bollocks though. He's produced vastly more despite having no more than a dozen games in the same position. Same numbers of goals and assists. Roughly the same number of appearances (around 60 over the past 3 years) because Duff has been injured so often. Zog is case in point #1 of the "OMG he's got pace he's got to be awesome" syndrome. What other positive qualities are there to his game other than being able to take on his man once in a blue moon? Duff also creates smooth, creative moves maybe once every couple of games. But when he does it it's a one-off. Zog just looks better because he's moving really fast when he's doing it. Neither contributes enough. How on Earth do you come to the conclusion that they have the same number of assists? I'd count the number of games N'Zogbia has played on the left wing if I could be bothered. Bet it's no more than 15. Because they both have an assist and a goal apiece this season. They're both players who rarely produce anything of substance. As for Zog, he's played around 15 games on the left wing this season alone. Charlie got seven assists last season. Duff has one in the past two years. Your last sentence is ludicrous. I count seven (3 wins, 3 draws, 1 defeat, including our best run of the season). So I went and actually did the research. Dear God I don't believe I bothered to dig all of this up. Duff has 67 apps, 5 goals, and 6 assists in the past three seasons. Zog has 68 apps, 5 goals, and 10 assists. So yeah he does assist more. Still pretty piss poor records for both though. As for Zog's games started on left wing this year Coventry City Away Win Arsenal Away Loss Spurs Home (CC) Loss Blackburn Home Loss Everton Away Draw Wigan Home Draw Chelsea Away Draw Boro Away Draw Stoke Home Draw Portsmouth Away Win Spurs Home Win Wigan Away Loss Liverpool Home Loss The two Hull fiascos Blackburn Away Loss That's sixteen starts on the left wing. Ludicrous? Most of those 68 games of Charlie's have been at left back so it's a ludicrous comparison in terms of goals and assists, yet he still manages to come out on top. They're also largely in fits and starts rather than a consistent run in the team which makes a massive difference in terms of form and confidence. I've underestimated the amount of games he's played there, you're right, but some of them in there are wrong, the two Hull games and the two Wigan games mainly. He was having a superb run before Wigan (a), was shuffled to LB for the despicable Duff and that's where this current fiasco with him started and ended, at the JJB. "Most" of his games? Wake up man! The whole idea of using Zog as a left back only even started under Big Sam last season. He's played the majority of his games on the wing. Incidentally, Charlie's scored 3 of his 5 goals from the left back position. Would you rather make a comparison based solely on both players' starts while playing in their preferred positions? I can guarantee you it wont' be any more favorable. Face it, the only reason you love the despicable French waster so much is because Damien Duff occasionally kept him out of the team The team's results with Charlie on the left are far better than with Duff there, I'd be happy to see a comparison but since the club's worst run of form for 40 years started and ended with Damien Duff's return and subsequent binning, I reckon I'm right. You've got it the wrong way round. I despise Duff because his name has been used by idiot managers to ruin the best young player we've had in 15 years - that and he's been one of the worst players to play for Newcastle in my time supporting the club of course. It's pointless man. You get the same criticisms of Martins, despite the fact when he's out of the side we look like a f***ing Championship team, full of a bunch of one-paced wonders passing the ball carefully sideways and getting beat. There is no comparison whatsoever with N'Zogbia and Martins. Martins has saved our asses with his goals on numerous occasions. N'Zogbia has accomplished nothing. I said both players get the same criticism, i.e., headless chickens, lack of intelligence and so on. He was worth his weight in gold if only for his selling fee. If we can find a buyer for Duff at a quarter of that and you'll have a point. Martins has qualities that more than make up for his downfalls. N'Zogbia's a bit pacy and that's it. A bit pacy, can tackle, cross, beat a man and shoot. Other than that I agree, he's ordinairy. Pacy? Yes Beats a man once in a while, just like Duff does? Yes Can tackle? Cross? Shoot?

I think buying an 17 year old from a Ligue 2 reserve side is a bit different, semantics though, I still think it and Bobby Robson agrees with me. Everyone else is confident Duff will keep us up and that's fine too, albeit wrong. Wullie get a grip you're completely NE5ing here. Nobody is saying that Duff is good enough to keep us up, we just have some serious, rational doubts about whether N'Zogbia is significantly better.

Reality is our first team is now worse than it was in December. Of the £10M Kinnear allegedly was handed for transfers, the club have spunked a whopping f*** all, not counting profit from the sales of our best player and a whinging French c***. harper or given? given is better, although its a lot closer than some people think. nolan or butt, geremi, smith or the ever reliable barton? thats easy. lovenkrands or n'zogbia? a player who wouldnt have ever kicked a ball for us again or anybody? easy. taylor is very versatile and a decent player who'll add depth. if kinnear was handed £10 million then blame him if you're not happy. I've seen you made this point a few times already, but up until this week N'Zogbia was willing to play for us and arguably one of our few players capable of creating anything resembling a goalscoring opportunity, which is something you completely fail to consider.. Not to mention one of the few players who could run 10 yards without needing an inhaler. Not to mention that he was a whinging little s*** who has been trying to get away from the club for the past three years, Or that despite running around the pitch aimlessly with his wonderful "pace," he was a complete headless chicken who's produced about as much as Damien f***ing Duff over the past three years. That's bollocks though. He's produced vastly more despite having no more than a dozen games in the same position. Same numbers of goals and assists. Roughly the same number of appearances (around 60 over the past 3 years) because Duff has been injured so often. Zog is case in point #1 of the "OMG he's got pace he's got to be awesome" syndrome. What other positive qualities are there to his game other than being able to take on his man once in a blue moon? Duff also creates smooth, creative moves maybe once every couple of games. But when he does it it's a one-off. Zog just looks better because he's moving really fast when he's doing it. Neither contributes enough. How on Earth do you come to the conclusion that they have the same number of assists? I'd count the number of games N'Zogbia has played on the left wing if I could be bothered. Bet it's no more than 15. Because they both have an assist and a goal apiece this season. They're both players who rarely produce anything of substance. As for Zog, he's played around 15 games on the left wing this season alone. Charlie got seven assists last season. Duff has one in the past two years. Your last sentence is ludicrous. I count seven (3 wins, 3 draws, 1 defeat, including our best run of the season). So I went and actually did the research. Dear God I don't believe I bothered to dig all of this up. Duff has 67 apps, 5 goals, and 6 assists in the past three seasons. Zog has 68 apps, 5 goals, and 10 assists. So yeah he does assist more. Still pretty piss poor records for both though. As for Zog's games started on left wing this year Coventry City Away Win Arsenal Away Loss Spurs Home (CC) Loss Blackburn Home Loss Everton Away Draw Wigan Home Draw Chelsea Away Draw Boro Away Draw Stoke Home Draw Portsmouth Away Win Spurs Home Win Wigan Away Loss Liverpool Home Loss The two Hull fiascos Blackburn Away Loss That's sixteen starts on the left wing. Ludicrous? Most of those 68 games of Charlie's have been at left back so it's a ludicrous comparison in terms of goals and assists, yet he still manages to come out on top. They're also largely in fits and starts rather than a consistent run in the team which makes a massive difference in terms of form and confidence. I've underestimated the amount of games he's played there, you're right, but some of them in there are wrong, the two Hull games and the two Wigan games mainly. He was having a superb run before Wigan (a), was shuffled to LB for the despicable Duff and that's where this current fiasco with him started and ended, at the JJB. "Most" of his games? Wake up man! The whole idea of using Zog as a left back only even started under Big Sam last season. He's played the majority of his games on the wing. Incidentally, Charlie's scored 3 of his 5 goals from the left back position. Would you rather make a comparison based solely on both players' starts while playing in their preferred positions? I can guarantee you it wont' be any more favorable. Face it, the only reason you love the despicable French waster so much is because Damien Duff occasionally kept him out of the team The team's results with Charlie on the left are far better than with Duff there, I'd be happy to see a comparison but since the club's worst run of form for 40 years started and ended with Damien Duff's return and subsequent binning, I reckon I'm right. You've got it the wrong way round. I despise Duff because his name has been used by idiot managers to ruin the best young player we've had in 15 years - that and he's been one of the worst players to play for Newcastle in my time supporting the club of course. It's pointless man. You get the same criticisms of Martins, despite the fact when he's out of the side we look like a f***ing Championship team, full of a bunch of one-paced wonders passing the ball carefully sideways and getting beat. There is no comparison whatsoever with N'Zogbia and Martins. Martins has saved our asses with his goals on numerous occasions. N'Zogbia has accomplished nothing. I said both players get the same criticism, i.e., headless chickens, lack of intelligence and so on. He was worth his weight in gold if only for his selling fee. If we can find a buyer for Duff at a quarter of that and you'll have a point. Martins has qualities that more than make up for his downfalls. N'Zogbia's a bit pacy and that's it.

Name a better NUFC youth product since 1994. Not that hard to be our best youth product in 15 years when all you have to do is be better than Steven Taylor. In fact, N'Zogbia isn't even an NUFC youth product at all.

Reality is our first team is now worse than it was in December. Of the £10M Kinnear allegedly was handed for transfers, the club have spunked a whopping f*** all, not counting profit from the sales of our best player and a whinging French c***. harper or given? given is better, although its a lot closer than some people think. nolan or butt, geremi, smith or the ever reliable barton? thats easy. lovenkrands or n'zogbia? a player who wouldnt have ever kicked a ball for us again or anybody? easy. taylor is very versatile and a decent player who'll add depth. if kinnear was handed £10 million then blame him if you're not happy. I've seen you made this point a few times already, but up until this week N'Zogbia was willing to play for us and arguably one of our few players capable of creating anything resembling a goalscoring opportunity, which is something you completely fail to consider.. Not to mention one of the few players who could run 10 yards without needing an inhaler. Not to mention that he was a whinging little s*** who has been trying to get away from the club for the past three years, Or that despite running around the pitch aimlessly with his wonderful "pace," he was a complete headless chicken who's produced about as much as Damien f***ing Duff over the past three years. That's bollocks though. He's produced vastly more despite having no more than a dozen games in the same position. Same numbers of goals and assists. Roughly the same number of appearances (around 60 over the past 3 years) because Duff has been injured so often. Zog is case in point #1 of the "OMG he's got pace he's got to be awesome" syndrome. What other positive qualities are there to his game other than being able to take on his man once in a blue moon? Duff also creates smooth, creative moves maybe once every couple of games. But when he does it it's a one-off. Zog just looks better because he's moving really fast when he's doing it. Neither contributes enough. How on Earth do you come to the conclusion that they have the same number of assists? I'd count the number of games N'Zogbia has played on the left wing if I could be bothered. Bet it's no more than 15. Because they both have an assist and a goal apiece this season. They're both players who rarely produce anything of substance. As for Zog, he's played around 15 games on the left wing this season alone. Charlie got seven assists last season. Duff has one in the past two years. Your last sentence is ludicrous. I count seven (3 wins, 3 draws, 1 defeat, including our best run of the season). So I went and actually did the research. Dear God I don't believe I bothered to dig all of this up. Duff has 67 apps, 5 goals, and 6 assists in the past three seasons. Zog has 68 apps, 5 goals, and 10 assists. So yeah he does assist more. Still pretty piss poor records for both though. As for Zog's games started on left wing this year Coventry City Away Win Arsenal Away Loss Spurs Home (CC) Loss Blackburn Home Loss Everton Away Draw Wigan Home Draw Chelsea Away Draw Boro Away Draw Stoke Home Draw Portsmouth Away Win Spurs Home Win Wigan Away Loss Liverpool Home Loss The two Hull fiascos Blackburn Away Loss That's sixteen starts on the left wing. Ludicrous? Most of those 68 games of Charlie's have been at left back so it's a ludicrous comparison in terms of goals and assists, yet he still manages to come out on top. They're also largely in fits and starts rather than a consistent run in the team which makes a massive difference in terms of form and confidence. I've underestimated the amount of games he's played there, you're right, but some of them in there are wrong, the two Hull games and the two Wigan games mainly. He was having a superb run before Wigan (a), was shuffled to LB for the despicable Duff and that's where this current fiasco with him started and ended, at the JJB. "Most" of his games? Wake up man! The whole idea of using Zog as a left back only even started under Big Sam last season. He's played the majority of his games on the wing. Incidentally, Charlie's scored 3 of his 5 goals from the left back position. Would you rather make a comparison based solely on both players' starts while playing in their preferred positions? I can guarantee you it wont' be any more favorable. Face it, the only reason you love the despicable French waster so much is because Damien Duff occasionally kept him out of the team The team's results with Charlie on the left are far better than with Duff there, I'd be happy to see a comparison but since the club's worst run of form for 40 years started and ended with Damien Duff's return and subsequent binning, I reckon I'm right. You've got it the wrong way round. I despise Duff because his name has been used by idiot managers to ruin the best young player we've had in 15 years - that and he's been one of the worst players to play for Newcastle in my time supporting the club of course. It's pointless man. You get the same criticisms of Martins, despite the fact when he's out of the side we look like a f***ing Championship team, full of a bunch of one-paced wonders passing the ball carefully sideways and getting beat. There is no comparison whatsoever with N'Zogbia and Martins. Martins has saved our asses with his goals on numerous occasions. N'Zogbia has accomplished nothing.

Reality is our first team is now worse than it was in December. Of the £10M Kinnear allegedly was handed for transfers, the club have spunked a whopping f*** all, not counting profit from the sales of our best player and a whinging French c***. harper or given? given is better, although its a lot closer than some people think. nolan or butt, geremi, smith or the ever reliable barton? thats easy. lovenkrands or n'zogbia? a player who wouldnt have ever kicked a ball for us again or anybody? easy. taylor is very versatile and a decent player who'll add depth. if kinnear was handed £10 million then blame him if you're not happy. I've seen you made this point a few times already, but up until this week N'Zogbia was willing to play for us and arguably one of our few players capable of creating anything resembling a goalscoring opportunity, which is something you completely fail to consider.. Not to mention one of the few players who could run 10 yards without needing an inhaler. Not to mention that he was a whinging little s*** who has been trying to get away from the club for the past three years, Or that despite running around the pitch aimlessly with his wonderful "pace," he was a complete headless chicken who's produced about as much as Damien f***ing Duff over the past three years. That's bollocks though. He's produced vastly more despite having no more than a dozen games in the same position. Same numbers of goals and assists. Roughly the same number of appearances (around 60 over the past 3 years) because Duff has been injured so often. Zog is case in point #1 of the "OMG he's got pace he's got to be awesome" syndrome. What other positive qualities are there to his game other than being able to take on his man once in a blue moon? Duff also creates smooth, creative moves maybe once every couple of games. But when he does it it's a one-off. Zog just looks better because he's moving really fast when he's doing it. Neither contributes enough. How on Earth do you come to the conclusion that they have the same number of assists? I'd count the number of games N'Zogbia has played on the left wing if I could be bothered. Bet it's no more than 15. Because they both have an assist and a goal apiece this season. They're both players who rarely produce anything of substance. As for Zog, he's played around 15 games on the left wing this season alone. Charlie got seven assists last season. Duff has one in the past two years. Your last sentence is ludicrous. I count seven (3 wins, 3 draws, 1 defeat, including our best run of the season). So I went and actually did the research. Dear God I don't believe I bothered to dig all of this up. Duff has 67 apps, 5 goals, and 6 assists in the past three seasons. Zog has 68 apps, 5 goals, and 10 assists. So yeah he does assist more. Still pretty piss poor records for both though. As for Zog's games started on left wing this year Coventry City Away Win Arsenal Away Loss Spurs Home (CC) Loss Blackburn Home Loss Everton Away Draw Wigan Home Draw Chelsea Away Draw Boro Away Draw Stoke Home Draw Portsmouth Away Win Spurs Home Win Wigan Away Loss Liverpool Home Loss The two Hull fiascos Blackburn Away Loss That's sixteen starts on the left wing. Ludicrous? Most of those 68 games of Charlie's have been at left back so it's a ludicrous comparison in terms of goals and assists, yet he still manages to come out on top. They're also largely in fits and starts rather than a consistent run in the team which makes a massive difference in terms of form and confidence. I've underestimated the amount of games he's played there, you're right, but some of them in there are wrong, the two Hull games and the two Wigan games mainly. He was having a superb run before Wigan (a), was shuffled to LB for the despicable Duff and that's where this current fiasco with him started and ended, at the JJB. "Most" of his games? Wake up man! The whole idea of using Zog as a left back only even started under Big Sam last season. He's played the majority of his games on the wing. Incidentally, Charlie's scored 3 of his 5 goals from the left back position. Would you rather make a comparison based solely on both players' starts while playing in their preferred positions? I can guarantee you it wont' be any more favorable. Face it, the only reason you love the despicable French waster so much is because Damien Duff occasionally kept him out of the team The team's results with Charlie on the left are far better than with Duff there, I'd be happy to see a comparison but since the club's worst run of form for 40 years started and ended with Damien Duff's return and subsequent binning, I reckon I'm right. You've got it the wrong way round. I despise Duff because his name has been used by idiot managers to ruin the best young player we've had in 15 years - that and he's been one of the worst players to play for Newcastle in my time supporting the club of course. Clutching at straws. I think far more would agree that the recent drop with form has been more down to losing our best striker, best midfielder, and best defender, and has very little to do with whether N'Zogbia is playing or not. Duff is shit but aside from his first spell N'Zogbia has been no better for us. Useless twat of a player.

Reality is our first team is now worse than it was in December. Of the £10M Kinnear allegedly was handed for transfers, the club have spunked a whopping f*** all, not counting profit from the sales of our best player and a whinging French c***. harper or given? given is better, although its a lot closer than some people think. nolan or butt, geremi, smith or the ever reliable barton? thats easy. lovenkrands or n'zogbia? a player who wouldnt have ever kicked a ball for us again or anybody? easy. taylor is very versatile and a decent player who'll add depth. if kinnear was handed £10 million then blame him if you're not happy. I've seen you made this point a few times already, but up until this week N'Zogbia was willing to play for us and arguably one of our few players capable of creating anything resembling a goalscoring opportunity, which is something you completely fail to consider.. Not to mention one of the few players who could run 10 yards without needing an inhaler. Not to mention that he was a whinging little s*** who has been trying to get away from the club for the past three years, Or that despite running around the pitch aimlessly with his wonderful "pace," he was a complete headless chicken who's produced about as much as Damien f***ing Duff over the past three years. That's bollocks though. He's produced vastly more despite having no more than a dozen games in the same position. Same numbers of goals and assists. Roughly the same number of appearances (around 60 over the past 3 years) because Duff has been injured so often. Zog is case in point #1 of the "OMG he's got pace he's got to be awesome" syndrome. What other positive qualities are there to his game other than being able to take on his man once in a blue moon? Duff also creates smooth, creative moves maybe once every couple of games. But when he does it it's a one-off. Zog just looks better because he's moving really fast when he's doing it. Neither contributes enough. How on Earth do you come to the conclusion that they have the same number of assists? I'd count the number of games N'Zogbia has played on the left wing if I could be bothered. Bet it's no more than 15. Because they both have an assist and a goal apiece this season. They're both players who rarely produce anything of substance. As for Zog, he's played around 15 games on the left wing this season alone. Charlie got seven assists last season. Duff has one in the past two years. Your last sentence is ludicrous. I count seven (3 wins, 3 draws, 1 defeat, including our best run of the season). So I went and actually did the research. Dear God I don't believe I bothered to dig all of this up. Duff has 67 apps, 5 goals, and 6 assists in the past three seasons. Zog has 68 apps, 5 goals, and 10 assists. So yeah he does assist more. Still pretty piss poor records for both though. As for Zog's games started on left wing this year Coventry City Away Win Arsenal Away Loss Spurs Home (CC) Loss Blackburn Home Loss Everton Away Draw Wigan Home Draw Chelsea Away Draw Boro Away Draw Stoke Home Draw Portsmouth Away Win Spurs Home Win Wigan Away Loss Liverpool Home Loss The two Hull fiascos Blackburn Away Loss That's sixteen starts on the left wing. Ludicrous? Most of those 68 games of Charlie's have been at left back so it's a ludicrous comparison in terms of goals and assists, yet he still manages to come out on top. They're also largely in fits and starts rather than a consistent run in the team which makes a massive difference in terms of form and confidence. I've underestimated the amount of games he's played there, you're right, but some of them in there are wrong, the two Hull games and the two Wigan games mainly. He was having a superb run before Wigan (a), was shuffled to LB for the despicable Duff and that's where this current fiasco with him started and ended, at the JJB. "Most" of his games? Wake up man! The whole idea of using Zog as a left back only even started under Big Sam last season. He's played the majority of his games on the wing. Incidentally, Charlie's scored 3 of his 5 goals from the left back position. Would you rather make a comparison based solely on both players' starts while playing in their preferred positions? I can guarantee you it wont' be any more favorable. Face it, the only reason you love the despicable French waster so much is because Damien Duff occasionally kept him out of the team

Reality is our first team is now worse than it was in December. Of the £10M Kinnear allegedly was handed for transfers, the club have spunked a whopping f*** all, not counting profit from the sales of our best player and a whinging French c***. harper or given? given is better, although its a lot closer than some people think. nolan or butt, geremi, smith or the ever reliable barton? thats easy. lovenkrands or n'zogbia? a player who wouldnt have ever kicked a ball for us again or anybody? easy. taylor is very versatile and a decent player who'll add depth. if kinnear was handed £10 million then blame him if you're not happy. I've seen you made this point a few times already, but up until this week N'Zogbia was willing to play for us and arguably one of our few players capable of creating anything resembling a goalscoring opportunity, which is something you completely fail to consider.. Not to mention one of the few players who could run 10 yards without needing an inhaler. Not to mention that he was a whinging little s*** who has been trying to get away from the club for the past three years, Or that despite running around the pitch aimlessly with his wonderful "pace," he was a complete headless chicken who's produced about as much as Damien f***ing Duff over the past three years. That's bollocks though. He's produced vastly more despite having no more than a dozen games in the same position. Same numbers of goals and assists. Roughly the same number of appearances (around 60 over the past 3 years) because Duff has been injured so often. Zog is case in point #1 of the "OMG he's got pace he's got to be awesome" syndrome. What other positive qualities are there to his game other than being able to take on his man once in a blue moon? Duff also creates smooth, creative moves maybe once every couple of games. But when he does it it's a one-off. Zog just looks better because he's moving really fast when he's doing it. Neither contributes enough. How on Earth do you come to the conclusion that they have the same number of assists? I'd count the number of games N'Zogbia has played on the left wing if I could be bothered. Bet it's no more than 15. Because they both have an assist and a goal apiece this season. They're both players who rarely produce anything of substance. As for Zog, he's played around 15 games on the left wing this season alone. Charlie got seven assists last season. Duff has one in the past two years. Your last sentence is ludicrous. I count seven (3 wins, 3 draws, 1 defeat, including our best run of the season). So I went and actually did the research. Dear God I don't believe I bothered to dig all of this up. Duff has 67 apps, 5 goals, and 6 assists in the past three seasons. Zog has 68 apps, 5 goals, and 10 assists. So yeah he does assist more. Still pretty piss poor records for both though. As for Zog's games started on left wing this year Coventry City Away Win Arsenal Away Loss Spurs Home (CC) Loss Blackburn Home Loss Everton Away Draw Wigan Home Draw Chelsea Away Draw Boro Away Draw Stoke Home Draw Portsmouth Away Win Spurs Home Win Wigan Away Loss Liverpool Home Loss The two Hull fiascos Blackburn Away Loss That's sixteen starts on the left wing. Ludicrous? Do tell where your "3-3-1" stat comes from considering that he was an unsued sub for both West Brom and Villa at Home, and a left back for Bolton.

Reality is our first team is now worse than it was in December. Of the £10M Kinnear allegedly was handed for transfers, the club have spunked a whopping f*** all, not counting profit from the sales of our best player and a whinging French c***. harper or given? given is better, although its a lot closer than some people think. nolan or butt, geremi, smith or the ever reliable barton? thats easy. lovenkrands or n'zogbia? a player who wouldnt have ever kicked a ball for us again or anybody? easy. taylor is very versatile and a decent player who'll add depth. if kinnear was handed £10 million then blame him if you're not happy. I've seen you made this point a few times already, but up until this week N'Zogbia was willing to play for us and arguably one of our few players capable of creating anything resembling a goalscoring opportunity, which is something you completely fail to consider.. Not to mention one of the few players who could run 10 yards without needing an inhaler. Not to mention that he was a whinging little s*** who has been trying to get away from the club for the past three years, Or that despite running around the pitch aimlessly with his wonderful "pace," he was a complete headless chicken who's produced about as much as Damien f***ing Duff over the past three years. That's bollocks though. He's produced vastly more despite having no more than a dozen games in the same position. Same numbers of goals and assists. Roughly the same number of appearances (around 60 over the past 3 years) because Duff has been injured so often. Zog is case in point #1 of the "OMG he's got pace he's got to be awesome" syndrome. What other positive qualities are there to his game other than being able to take on his man once in a blue moon? Duff also creates smooth, creative moves maybe once every couple of games. But when he does it it's a one-off. Zog just looks better because he's moving really fast when he's doing it. Neither contributes enough. How on Earth do you come to the conclusion that they have the same number of assists? I'd count the number of games N'Zogbia has played on the left wing if I could be bothered. Bet it's no more than 15. Because they both have an assist and a goal apiece this season. They're both players who rarely produce anything of substance. As for Zog, he's played around 15 games on the left wing this season alone.

You do realize that we're comparing it to where we were a couple of weeks ago, and not to Sir Bobby's Champions League qualifying team?

Reality is our first team is now worse than it was in December. Of the £10M Kinnear allegedly was handed for transfers, the club have spunked a whopping f*** all, not counting profit from the sales of our best player and a whinging French c***. harper or given? given is better, although its a lot closer than some people think. nolan or butt, geremi, smith or the ever reliable barton? thats easy. lovenkrands or n'zogbia? a player who wouldnt have ever kicked a ball for us again or anybody? easy. taylor is very versatile and a decent player who'll add depth. if kinnear was handed £10 million then blame him if you're not happy. I've seen you made this point a few times already, but up until this week N'Zogbia was willing to play for us and arguably one of our few players capable of creating anything resembling a goalscoring opportunity, which is something you completely fail to consider.. Not to mention one of the few players who could run 10 yards without needing an inhaler. Not to mention that he was a whinging little s*** who has been trying to get away from the club for the past three years, Or that despite running around the pitch aimlessly with his wonderful "pace," he was a complete headless chicken who's produced about as much as Damien f***ing Duff over the past three years. That's bollocks though. He's produced vastly more despite having no more than a dozen games in the same position. Same numbers of goals and assists. Roughly the same number of appearances (around 60 over the past 3 years) because Duff has been injured so often. Zog is case in point #1 of the "OMG he's got pace he's got to be awesome" syndrome. What other positive qualities are there to his game other than being able to take on his man once in a blue moon? Duff also creates smooth, creative moves maybe once every couple of games. But when he does it it's a one-off. Zog just looks better because he's moving really fast when he's doing it. Neither contributes enough.

strengthened. not by enough.

Reality is our first team is now worse than it was in December. Of the £10M Kinnear allegedly was handed for transfers, the club have spunked a whopping f*** all, not counting profit from the sales of our best player and a whinging French c***. harper or given? given is better, although its a lot closer than some people think. nolan or butt, geremi, smith or the ever reliable barton? thats easy. lovenkrands or n'zogbia? a player who wouldnt have ever kicked a ball for us again or anybody? easy. taylor is very versatile and a decent player who'll add depth. if kinnear was handed £10 million then blame him if you're not happy. I've seen you made this point a few times already, but up until this week N'Zogbia was willing to play for us and arguably one of our few players capable of creating anything resembling a goalscoring opportunity, which is something you completely fail to consider.. Not to mention one of the few players who could run 10 yards without needing an inhaler. Not to mention that he was a whinging little s*** who has been trying to get away from the club for the past three years, Or that despite running around the pitch aimlessly with his wonderful "pace," he was a complete headless chicken who's produced about as much as Damien f***ing Duff over the past three years.

At a cost of £2.6m? Where did that utterly and completely random number come from. Isn't that the rumoured amount we still owe on him if he plays two more games? It's a completely insubstantial s*** rumor though. What kind of idiotic club would broker a transfer deal where half the fee depended on the player in question making 10 appearances? Does the clause ever expire? Because if not we must be planning on never playing him ever.

At a cost of £2.6m? Where did that utterly and completely random number come from.

You know what, sacking Kinnear would be like a new signing. We might actually get to see Xisco when all the other senior strikers are injured.