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kind of a good point, sides don't always pitch up to the WC with their gameplan and side finalised, sometimes they develop through the group stages and 16/QF to progress to the confidence that ends up winning them it a lot will depend on capello now (obviously) - that side and those players is not gonna win us the cup, but he has the players who might if he works them right (for me play cole, carrick, rooney, gerrard, lampard & milner then revert to the pace merchants like SWP/Lennon if that fails) over to you fabio

agreed, other teams appear (this far) to have a far superior combination of pace/physical strength AND technique squad wide, too few of the England team have that combination imo the only thing might get them through is reputation, take South Korea for example - the way they played vs Greece England players would be chasing shadows but would the Koreans approach the game vs England with the same boldness? Doubtful...that might get England through, other teams not realising how ordinary we are before it's too late cappello needs to ditch (football)brain-dead players like SWP and Lennon and play his better technical/intelligent players - no fuckin way those two should be plan A or B, you throw them on as plan C when A and B have failed...

The problem is, we look the same as we always do. agreed

nah bollocks, grow into a tournament happens more often then control it from the start england show signs of neither mind

It really is. Thirded. I'm going to create a new account to Fourth this proposition I think.

can someone explain findlay to me? who is he? why were the cameras all over him, and how can he run that fast?

his only positive feature, as i recall

15ft stilts, he can try and catch the ball as it flies by and get involved said it on text, will say it again: 21 athletes out there, 1 footballer

always amazes me how well the yanks do at football considering they don't get a break every 12/15 minutes as per their other "sports"

funniest thing to hit this thread in 25 pages

haha, legend! couldn't even be arsed to put 2 thumbs or, or smile like he means it...kwality

£7m was the rumorued amount Chelsea are looking to bid http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2010/06/06/1961642/chelsea-to-bid-7m-for-andy-carroll-of-newcastle-united I'd take 12 million, 20% sell on profit and they can loan him back to us for this year Wouldn't even take 20 million tbh. We won't buy a new striker from that money because we couldn't (wouldn't want to) afford the wages. We really should keep Carroll and see how he develops. disagree, because he won't develop with us, no-one ever does we'd be best taking whatever money we can get for him now before he takes the inevitable personal slide, assuming the end game is to sell him that is - if the end game is to keep him and improve the team on the pitch then that's different if we want money we should sell him now while the irons hot There is a few like Given, Bassong, Enrique and Taylor. I still believe Taylor is a decent CB by PL standards, although he is better at RB. well given yes, but he was very much the exception imo bassong: had one season with us - does anyone know how he played for Metz before coming to us to judge that we improved him? enrique: despite being a spanish u21 int wasn't up to much (although not shit) in the PL and while that's perhaps harsh he only really found his feet last season in the championship taylor: has never fulfilled the promise he has when he first broke into the team, not even close carroll: has had a decent season in the championship hardly overwhelming evidence for our player development - what i'm saying here is not that the players don't have quality, i'm saying that the ones who do are generally sabotaged by the perpetual turmoil and upheaval at the club that shows few signs of getting better thus if we want to cash in on carroll then i'd suggest we do it now, next season i don't predict such an impact Or Alan Kennedy, Irving Nattrass, Paul Gascoigne, Neil McDonald, Lee Clark, Steve Howey, Steve Watson, Aaron Hughes etc well a few of them are before my time, but from Clark onwards we have a different understanding of the word develop i'd suggest

£7m was the rumorued amount Chelsea are looking to bid http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2010/06/06/1961642/chelsea-to-bid-7m-for-andy-carroll-of-newcastle-united I'd take 12 million, 20% sell on profit and they can loan him back to us for this year Wouldn't even take 20 million tbh. We won't buy a new striker from that money because we couldn't (wouldn't want to) afford the wages. We really should keep Carroll and see how he develops. disagree, because he won't develop with us, no-one ever does we'd be best taking whatever money we can get for him now before he takes the inevitable personal slide, assuming the end game is to sell him that is - if the end game is to keep him and improve the team on the pitch then that's different if we want money we should sell him now while the irons hot There is a few like Given, Bassong, Enrique and Taylor. I still believe Taylor is a decent CB by PL standards, although he is better at RB. well given yes, but he was very much the exception imo bassong: had one season with us - does anyone know how he played for Metz before coming to us to judge that we improved him? enrique: despite being a spanish u21 int wasn't up to much (although not shit) in the PL and while that's perhaps harsh he only really found his feet last season in the championship taylor: has never fulfilled the promise he has when he first broke into the team, not even close carroll: has had a decent season in the championship hardly overwhelming evidence for our player development - what i'm saying here is not that the players don't have quality, i'm saying that the ones who do are generally sabotaged by the perpetual turmoil and upheaval at the club that shows few signs of getting better thus if we want to cash in on carroll then i'd suggest we do it now, next season i don't predict such an impact

£7m was the rumorued amount Chelsea are looking to bid http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2010/06/06/1961642/chelsea-to-bid-7m-for-andy-carroll-of-newcastle-united I'd take 12 million, 20% sell on profit and they can loan him back to us for this year Wouldn't even take 20 million tbh. We won't buy a new striker from that money because we couldn't (wouldn't want to) afford the wages. We really should keep Carroll and see how he develops. disagree, because he won't develop with us, no-one ever does we'd be best taking whatever money we can get for him now before he takes the inevitable personal slide, assuming the end game is to sell him that is - if the end game is to keep him and improve the team on the pitch then that's different if we want money we should sell him now while the irons hot

reading the thread so far my thoughts (as per the original question) are simple: - in declining to invest ANY further money into the playing staff, even money that the club generates itself as i understand it, how can he not see that another relegation is basically inevitable? talking about the past is fucking useless if you don't learn from it, and he clearly hasn't is there a team in the PL since it's conception that has survived without some type of decent annual investment? bolton spring to mind, but they had to establish themselves financially before spending and now they're comfortable spunking 10m+ on one player at a time what the fuck is ashley thinking, presumably that hughton is the second coming of Mourinho at Porto and is going to tear the league a new arsehole it wasn't expecting

great way to start. damn straight

grandad was ST holder but never had the $$ to take me with him + was a little ill, he died when i was 14 or so, when i got to 16 and had a little $$ myself decided to attend a game with a toon supporting mate, ('Boro away in the League Cup during the promotion season) and never looked back!

exaggerated a fair bit, but i've seen some utter pedestrian shit in the k league, i really have

it's not, not even close, it's about on a par with semi-pro football in the UK I don't know what your background is but somehow I don't think you'd be in a better position to judge the merits of the Korean league than I am. Oldtype have you been to K-league games?! I have been living in Korea (and Japan) on and off for quite a few years and have attended quite a few K-league games also. Absolutely no way in hell that the K-keague is on par with the Championship. I have an FC Seoul season ticket, and I think they're roughly comparable. Okay, I admit, it might be because I have an FC Seoul season ticket. Your mileage may vary significantly lower down the table. That said, the Championship isn't that good tbh. yeah i live in Korea too and go to games, watch on TV etc. it's all about how you view it, i see it as a very poor standard as a whole - there might be a couple of decent teams/players but generally speaking the standard is woeful and way below the championship (though maybe not as low as semi-pro perhaps!)

it's not, not even close, it's about on a par with semi-pro football in the UK

this now a post-mortem of Benitez at Liverpool? exhibit A then is surely Robbie Keane...maybe the resident scousers have some ITK inside track knowledge of that but ostensibly it looked like one of the most stupid and pointless transfer deals in history and Benitez should probably have been laughed out of the club for it crouch was another actually imo

never seen him do a single outstanding thing in any match, which for a top flight footballer is pretty shit

total legend imo, he's wearing the same tshirt as me!

waiting for something like this to come along, slightly disappointed with the WAG specific nature as some of the best shit at a world cup is all the fanny kicking around in skimpy gear and skin tight football shirts... surely that can be crowbarred in somehow?

it will be an absolute miracle if england come close to winning it with that squad like, lampard is going to have to perform on the international stage like he never has before and rooney will essentially have to play like a god in every game i've given up on gerrard performing, maybe he'll come good other than that there's simply nothing in there anyone else decent would be afraid of