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I feel like if it was going to be Carver, Ashley would've just have appointed Carver manager and not caretaker. That said I'd not be surprised if I was dead wrong.

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It's insane isn't it? Going for a young up and coming manager isn't ambitious. Even Tuchel, who would be the best thing in the world, could come off as a gamble to most people. How the f*** is it insane - we need a proven record right now not one who is up and coming and has not proven anything. You have your opinion and I have mine but I know no club with ambition would go for Ketsbaia - let's see what club he goes to next then and see who is laughing about it. Within our constraints, Ketsbaia would be a forward thinking appointment. McClaren would be a safe and proven appointment. I know which one of the two I'd say was the more ambitious choice. It's all about context. Of course Ketsbaia wouldn't be ambitious for a club like, say, Arsenal. But for us, with our owner, it's one of the realistic options that show the most ambition. I will agree with our owner mind but de boer in my mind would tick the right boxes in every way but as you said would Ashley really go for him - that's ambition to me and a proven record at Ajax On that note though, Ketsbaia has a proven record at Anthorsis Famagusta. Made the error of taking over Georgia though, which, admittedly, derailed his career. Yes, De Boer would be more ambitious, naturally. But as I mentioned, going by the context of where our club is at the moment, I would still say Ketsbaia would be an ambitious and exciting choice rather than safe and s***. I agree to disagree - think we will be both massively annoyed and disappointed anyway when the very shit Mr Carver is appointed this week. I only want Tuchel anyways. So I will be disappointed no matter what.

It's insane isn't it? Going for a young up and coming manager isn't ambitious. Even Tuchel, who would be the best thing in the world, could come off as a gamble to most people. How the f*** is it insane - we need a proven record right now not one who is up and coming and has not proven anything. You have your opinion and I have mine but I know no club with ambition would go for Ketsbaia - let's see what club he goes to next then and see who is laughing about it. Within our constraints, Ketsbaia would be a forward thinking appointment. McClaren would be a safe and proven appointment. I know which one of the two I'd say was the more ambitious choice. It's all about context. Of course Ketsbaia wouldn't be ambitious for a club like, say, Arsenal. But for us, with our owner, it's one of the realistic options that show the most ambition. I will agree with our owner mind but de boer in my mind would tick the right boxes in every way but as you said would Ashley really go for him - that's ambition to me and a proven record at Ajax On that note though, Ketsbaia has a proven record at Anthorsis Famagusta. Made the error of taking over Georgia though, which, admittedly, derailed his career. Yes, De Boer would be more ambitious, naturally. But as I mentioned, going by the context of where our club is at the moment, I would still say Ketsbaia would be an ambitious and exciting choice rather than safe and shit.

It's insane isn't it? Going for a young up and coming manager isn't ambitious. Even Tuchel, who would be the best thing in the world, could come off as a gamble to most people. How the fuck is it insane - we need a proven record right now not one who is up and coming and has not proven anything. You have your opinion and I have mine but I know no club with ambition would go for Ketsbaia - let's see what club he goes to next then and see who is laughing about it. Within our constraints, Ketsbaia would be a forward thinking appointment. McClaren would be a safe and proven appointment. I know which one of the two I'd say was the more ambitious choice. It's all about context. Of course Ketsbaia wouldn't be ambitious for a club like, say, Arsenal. But for us, with our owner, it's one of the realistic options that show the most ambition.

It's insane isn't it? Going for a young up and coming manager isn't ambitious. Even Tuchel, who would be the best thing in the world, could come off as a gamble to most people.

Bump.

It was 6 official games actually - if you want that as a standard of manager fine again no ambition - need a proven manager with a record of improving things and sorry he is not that. You mean the guy who took a backwater shit Cypriotic club to the CL where even this guy had issues beating them? http://img2008.titan24.com/imgwater/242000/242570.jpg

Ahh man, I really didn't consider the reality that Stifler could be out there on the wider web - completely unmoderated - representing us. IIIIIII rrrrrrrepresent tha princess! http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7ky1pWE5y1qcpzd4o1_500.gif

Him being from London has got NOTHING to do with it. I dunno how many times it has to brought up with you in particular, you just don't get it like. I do get it. Completely. It just doesn't f***ing matter like you seem to think it does. It matters from a public perception perspective. We'll always be seen as being unjustly harsh on people just because they're from Larndarn. It's not the end of the world, it's just another stick to beat us with, and another way for everyone to bang on about how unrealistic we are. I don't really give a s*** if Londoners think we hate London. We know we don't. Anyone with any sense knows we don't. If they think we do well tough s*** - more fool them for making a stereotype. Well you should give a s***, it puts us in a bad light and gives everyone another stick to beat us with. Just because other fans sing it to opposition players doesn't make it fine, we're doing it to our own owner as if 'cockney' is a derogatory term, if you think that's fine then that's fair enough, but you're a bit naive if you think that other people outside of the club don't believe the same (including players and managers and staff that we might want as some point) Why should I give a s*** if Southerners think that I, as a Geordie, hate them all on the basis of one song against one Southern c***? Even if they do make that assumption - more fool them. Their narrow-mindedness will be far worse than mine for singing that about one person. Quite frankly even if people don't like it when I'm abusive about one of their "own" then that's tough s***. I wouldn't be abusive if he wasn't a c***. Which he clearly is. If the shoe was on the other foot I'd totally expect Southerners to call their owner a Geordie c***, and I wouldn't think they hated all of us for that reason. You should give a s*** because for the last 4 years we've had a manager that was excused by the media, fans, pundits and possibly our own owner from being totally s*** because they assumed we didn't like him for being Southern. It's one of the reasons that he got away with being s*** for so long. And it's not their narrow-mindedness if you're calling someone a cockney ffs. It's yours. If someone called me a thick geordie c***, or any other slur I wouldn't think that it was my own narrow-mindedness for not realising that it was some sort of delightful banter, I'd think they were an ignorant dick, the same is true the other way around. Basically it blurs and undermines any real message from getting through because it's easy to look at it and think that people dislike them because of where they're from and I'm f***ing sick to back teeth of having to explain this to people who wonder why the media talk s*** about us on a regular basis and everything feeds into itself and nothing ever gets better. That bit is just utter s****. Sorry like, it just is. He was excused through his football friends in the media and generally lazy journalism and reporting. We had Hughton who was absolutely loved before him. You're totally missing my point. I'm not saying us singing that isn't narrow-minded. I'm saying them assuming all Geordies hate all Southerners from that one chant is even more narrow-minded. Pardew hardly ever got any grief for being a Cockney. He got grief for being a lying, inept, deceitful c***. Ashley however, is a different matter. It's not a particularly thoughtful chant, but then how many are? If you want them to be bellowed out then they need to be simple so that the masses can get involved. The North-East is one of the poorest regions in Britain so inevitably there will be some discontent towards London anyway. That's not to say it's right, but it probably contributes. He is a fat, rich, London t***. Therefore, if he is called a Cockney so be it. Regardless of how accurate it is. Frustrating it may be but surely the fat and b****** are the offensive parts. The poor reporting is the issue, the disregard for the actual facts. People know about the politics surrounding the local papers and the club so the rest get brandished Southern papers. Which probably isn't far from the truth. I just think this whole debate goes further than football. It's all about people's ideas about what is and isn't offensive and what is / isn't politically correct. I assume those of you kicking up a fuss about "cockney" probably have stronger links than most to the London area? Either that or totally left wing. Well it's not s*** at all, it's everywhere you look/looked. Just today alone that was Paul Merson and Phil Thompsons assertion on us, that we won't accept a southerner, or a non-geordie. If you can't see that putting a word in between 'fat' and 'b******' is meant to be seen as offensive then I dunno what to say to you, you're either being naive or you're talking s***. And yes, I know we loved Hughton, I make that point constantly and I've spent a great deal of time arguing against this idea that we don't like people from the south, only for our fans to use the word cockney as a slur. It's not at all narrow minded to hear 'you fat cockney b******' and think 'they don't like cockneys'..not even in the slightest bit narrow-minded. If you don't have a problem with cockneys, don't use it as part of an insult. As has been brought up elsewhere, you wouldn't say 'you fat black b******' and suggest that it's narrow minded for people to think that it means you don't like black people, of course it means that. Both have nothing to do with it. See, why are you saying that he's a fat, rich, london t***, it's so f***ing embarrassing man. The North East being poor has NOTHING to do with it, it's about people being thick and hypocritical. Oh, don't tell us that we wanted Pardew out because he's a cockney, we loved Hughton and Lee and Ferdinand...YOU FAT COCKNEY b******, GET OUT OF OUR CLUB...we don't hate Cockneys man, what are you on about!? It's so undermining. As for the last paragraph, hang your head in shame mate. FWIW, I don't, I'm just a f***ing human being and don't give a s*** where people come from. I don't give a s*** where people come from. I just don't see why people see it as any more offensive than being called, tall, short, fat, thin, blonde or ginger but that all seems to not matter. When it comes to region or race it gets blown out of proportion and this whole Cockney rant is a fine example of that. It seems history only matters when it suits certain people or groups of people. Cannot be arsed to debate this with you - we obviously aren't changing each others opinions at all. So I'm leaving it at that. As mentioned in my previous post, that's not to say I advocate racism or owt like that, I just draw the PC line a little bit differently to you. Calling someone "fat" is kinda mean towards fat people who might take offence. They can do something about that though, they can lose weight. You can't change the color of your skin and stuff like that. It's not the argument though. The argument is that the chant feeds the general perception that we as Newcastle fans hate people not from Newcastle. Which is wrong, and stupid, and annoying. The chant is s*** even if it didn't aid the media in portraying Newcastle fans as hating people from certain places of the world. Imagine if he was Jewish man, and the chant maintained the same level of ignorance. "You greedy Jewish b******, get out of our club." You really think that's the same level of ignorance? It's hanging someone out to dry because of something generally out of their control. Without applying historical context regarding this exact example, yes, it's the same level of ignorance towards a certain group of people. He could join weightwatchers like so it isn't all out of his control. "Fat" isn't a fucking issue, man. We've established this ages ago. I've literally used what you said as an example earlier on. Read. It's an issue with me mind. Then join weightwatchers. quality. http://media.giphy.com/media/veL6DyCLYL3Fu/giphy.gif

Him being from London has got NOTHING to do with it. I dunno how many times it has to brought up with you in particular, you just don't get it like. I do get it. Completely. It just doesn't f***ing matter like you seem to think it does. It matters from a public perception perspective. We'll always be seen as being unjustly harsh on people just because they're from Larndarn. It's not the end of the world, it's just another stick to beat us with, and another way for everyone to bang on about how unrealistic we are. I don't really give a s*** if Londoners think we hate London. We know we don't. Anyone with any sense knows we don't. If they think we do well tough s*** - more fool them for making a stereotype. Well you should give a s***, it puts us in a bad light and gives everyone another stick to beat us with. Just because other fans sing it to opposition players doesn't make it fine, we're doing it to our own owner as if 'cockney' is a derogatory term, if you think that's fine then that's fair enough, but you're a bit naive if you think that other people outside of the club don't believe the same (including players and managers and staff that we might want as some point) Why should I give a s*** if Southerners think that I, as a Geordie, hate them all on the basis of one song against one Southern c***? Even if they do make that assumption - more fool them. Their narrow-mindedness will be far worse than mine for singing that about one person. Quite frankly even if people don't like it when I'm abusive about one of their "own" then that's tough s***. I wouldn't be abusive if he wasn't a c***. Which he clearly is. If the shoe was on the other foot I'd totally expect Southerners to call their owner a Geordie c***, and I wouldn't think they hated all of us for that reason. You should give a s*** because for the last 4 years we've had a manager that was excused by the media, fans, pundits and possibly our own owner from being totally s*** because they assumed we didn't like him for being Southern. It's one of the reasons that he got away with being s*** for so long. And it's not their narrow-mindedness if you're calling someone a cockney ffs. It's yours. If someone called me a thick geordie c***, or any other slur I wouldn't think that it was my own narrow-mindedness for not realising that it was some sort of delightful banter, I'd think they were an ignorant dick, the same is true the other way around. Basically it blurs and undermines any real message from getting through because it's easy to look at it and think that people dislike them because of where they're from and I'm f***ing sick to back teeth of having to explain this to people who wonder why the media talk s*** about us on a regular basis and everything feeds into itself and nothing ever gets better. That bit is just utter s****. Sorry like, it just is. He was excused through his football friends in the media and generally lazy journalism and reporting. We had Hughton who was absolutely loved before him. You're totally missing my point. I'm not saying us singing that isn't narrow-minded. I'm saying them assuming all Geordies hate all Southerners from that one chant is even more narrow-minded. Pardew hardly ever got any grief for being a Cockney. He got grief for being a lying, inept, deceitful c***. Ashley however, is a different matter. It's not a particularly thoughtful chant, but then how many are? If you want them to be bellowed out then they need to be simple so that the masses can get involved. The North-East is one of the poorest regions in Britain so inevitably there will be some discontent towards London anyway. That's not to say it's right, but it probably contributes. He is a fat, rich, London t***. Therefore, if he is called a Cockney so be it. Regardless of how accurate it is. Frustrating it may be but surely the fat and b****** are the offensive parts. The poor reporting is the issue, the disregard for the actual facts. People know about the politics surrounding the local papers and the club so the rest get brandished Southern papers. Which probably isn't far from the truth. I just think this whole debate goes further than football. It's all about people's ideas about what is and isn't offensive and what is / isn't politically correct. I assume those of you kicking up a fuss about "cockney" probably have stronger links than most to the London area? Either that or totally left wing. Well it's not s*** at all, it's everywhere you look/looked. Just today alone that was Paul Merson and Phil Thompsons assertion on us, that we won't accept a southerner, or a non-geordie. If you can't see that putting a word in between 'fat' and 'b******' is meant to be seen as offensive then I dunno what to say to you, you're either being naive or you're talking s***. And yes, I know we loved Hughton, I make that point constantly and I've spent a great deal of time arguing against this idea that we don't like people from the south, only for our fans to use the word cockney as a slur. It's not at all narrow minded to hear 'you fat cockney b******' and think 'they don't like cockneys'..not even in the slightest bit narrow-minded. If you don't have a problem with cockneys, don't use it as part of an insult. As has been brought up elsewhere, you wouldn't say 'you fat black b******' and suggest that it's narrow minded for people to think that it means you don't like black people, of course it means that. Both have nothing to do with it. See, why are you saying that he's a fat, rich, london t***, it's so f***ing embarrassing man. The North East being poor has NOTHING to do with it, it's about people being thick and hypocritical. Oh, don't tell us that we wanted Pardew out because he's a cockney, we loved Hughton and Lee and Ferdinand...YOU FAT COCKNEY b******, GET OUT OF OUR CLUB...we don't hate Cockneys man, what are you on about!? It's so undermining. As for the last paragraph, hang your head in shame mate. FWIW, I don't, I'm just a f***ing human being and don't give a s*** where people come from. I don't give a s*** where people come from. I just don't see why people see it as any more offensive than being called, tall, short, fat, thin, blonde or ginger but that all seems to not matter. When it comes to region or race it gets blown out of proportion and this whole Cockney rant is a fine example of that. It seems history only matters when it suits certain people or groups of people. Cannot be arsed to debate this with you - we obviously aren't changing each others opinions at all. So I'm leaving it at that. As mentioned in my previous post, that's not to say I advocate racism or owt like that, I just draw the PC line a little bit differently to you. Calling someone "fat" is kinda mean towards fat people who might take offence. They can do something about that though, they can lose weight. You can't change the color of your skin and stuff like that. It's not the argument though. The argument is that the chant feeds the general perception that we as Newcastle fans hate people not from Newcastle. Which is wrong, and stupid, and annoying. The chant is s*** even if it didn't aid the media in portraying Newcastle fans as hating people from certain places of the world. Imagine if he was Jewish man, and the chant maintained the same level of ignorance. "You greedy Jewish b******, get out of our club." You really think that's the same level of ignorance? It's hanging someone out to dry because of something generally out of their control. Without applying historical context regarding this exact example, yes, it's the same level of ignorance towards a certain group of people. He could join weightwatchers like so it isn't all out of his control. "Fat" isn't a fucking issue, man. We've established this ages ago. I've literally used what you said as an example earlier on. Read. It's an issue with me mind. Then join weightwatchers.

Him being from London has got NOTHING to do with it. I dunno how many times it has to brought up with you in particular, you just don't get it like. I do get it. Completely. It just doesn't f***ing matter like you seem to think it does. It matters from a public perception perspective. We'll always be seen as being unjustly harsh on people just because they're from Larndarn. It's not the end of the world, it's just another stick to beat us with, and another way for everyone to bang on about how unrealistic we are. I don't really give a s*** if Londoners think we hate London. We know we don't. Anyone with any sense knows we don't. If they think we do well tough s*** - more fool them for making a stereotype. Well you should give a s***, it puts us in a bad light and gives everyone another stick to beat us with. Just because other fans sing it to opposition players doesn't make it fine, we're doing it to our own owner as if 'cockney' is a derogatory term, if you think that's fine then that's fair enough, but you're a bit naive if you think that other people outside of the club don't believe the same (including players and managers and staff that we might want as some point) Why should I give a s*** if Southerners think that I, as a Geordie, hate them all on the basis of one song against one Southern c***? Even if they do make that assumption - more fool them. Their narrow-mindedness will be far worse than mine for singing that about one person. Quite frankly even if people don't like it when I'm abusive about one of their "own" then that's tough s***. I wouldn't be abusive if he wasn't a c***. Which he clearly is. If the shoe was on the other foot I'd totally expect Southerners to call their owner a Geordie c***, and I wouldn't think they hated all of us for that reason. You should give a s*** because for the last 4 years we've had a manager that was excused by the media, fans, pundits and possibly our own owner from being totally s*** because they assumed we didn't like him for being Southern. It's one of the reasons that he got away with being s*** for so long. And it's not their narrow-mindedness if you're calling someone a cockney ffs. It's yours. If someone called me a thick geordie c***, or any other slur I wouldn't think that it was my own narrow-mindedness for not realising that it was some sort of delightful banter, I'd think they were an ignorant dick, the same is true the other way around. Basically it blurs and undermines any real message from getting through because it's easy to look at it and think that people dislike them because of where they're from and I'm f***ing sick to back teeth of having to explain this to people who wonder why the media talk s*** about us on a regular basis and everything feeds into itself and nothing ever gets better. That bit is just utter s****. Sorry like, it just is. He was excused through his football friends in the media and generally lazy journalism and reporting. We had Hughton who was absolutely loved before him. You're totally missing my point. I'm not saying us singing that isn't narrow-minded. I'm saying them assuming all Geordies hate all Southerners from that one chant is even more narrow-minded. Pardew hardly ever got any grief for being a Cockney. He got grief for being a lying, inept, deceitful c***. Ashley however, is a different matter. It's not a particularly thoughtful chant, but then how many are? If you want them to be bellowed out then they need to be simple so that the masses can get involved. The North-East is one of the poorest regions in Britain so inevitably there will be some discontent towards London anyway. That's not to say it's right, but it probably contributes. He is a fat, rich, London t***. Therefore, if he is called a Cockney so be it. Regardless of how accurate it is. Frustrating it may be but surely the fat and b****** are the offensive parts. The poor reporting is the issue, the disregard for the actual facts. People know about the politics surrounding the local papers and the club so the rest get brandished Southern papers. Which probably isn't far from the truth. I just think this whole debate goes further than football. It's all about people's ideas about what is and isn't offensive and what is / isn't politically correct. I assume those of you kicking up a fuss about "cockney" probably have stronger links than most to the London area? Either that or totally left wing. Well it's not s*** at all, it's everywhere you look/looked. Just today alone that was Paul Merson and Phil Thompsons assertion on us, that we won't accept a southerner, or a non-geordie. If you can't see that putting a word in between 'fat' and 'b******' is meant to be seen as offensive then I dunno what to say to you, you're either being naive or you're talking s***. And yes, I know we loved Hughton, I make that point constantly and I've spent a great deal of time arguing against this idea that we don't like people from the south, only for our fans to use the word cockney as a slur. It's not at all narrow minded to hear 'you fat cockney b******' and think 'they don't like cockneys'..not even in the slightest bit narrow-minded. If you don't have a problem with cockneys, don't use it as part of an insult. As has been brought up elsewhere, you wouldn't say 'you fat black b******' and suggest that it's narrow minded for people to think that it means you don't like black people, of course it means that. Both have nothing to do with it. See, why are you saying that he's a fat, rich, london t***, it's so f***ing embarrassing man. The North East being poor has NOTHING to do with it, it's about people being thick and hypocritical. Oh, don't tell us that we wanted Pardew out because he's a cockney, we loved Hughton and Lee and Ferdinand...YOU FAT COCKNEY b******, GET OUT OF OUR CLUB...we don't hate Cockneys man, what are you on about!? It's so undermining. As for the last paragraph, hang your head in shame mate. FWIW, I don't, I'm just a f***ing human being and don't give a s*** where people come from. I don't give a s*** where people come from. I just don't see why people see it as any more offensive than being called, tall, short, fat, thin, blonde or ginger but that all seems to not matter. When it comes to region or race it gets blown out of proportion and this whole Cockney rant is a fine example of that. It seems history only matters when it suits certain people or groups of people. Cannot be arsed to debate this with you - we obviously aren't changing each others opinions at all. So I'm leaving it at that. As mentioned in my previous post, that's not to say I advocate racism or owt like that, I just draw the PC line a little bit differently to you. Calling someone "fat" is kinda mean towards fat people who might take offence. They can do something about that though, they can lose weight. You can't change the color of your skin and stuff like that. It's not the argument though. The argument is that the chant feeds the general perception that we as Newcastle fans hate people not from Newcastle. Which is wrong, and stupid, and annoying. The chant is s*** even if it didn't aid the media in portraying Newcastle fans as hating people from certain places of the world. Imagine if he was Jewish man, and the chant maintained the same level of ignorance. "You greedy Jewish b******, get out of our club." You really think that's the same level of ignorance? It's hanging someone out to dry because of something generally out of their control. Without applying historical context regarding this exact example, yes, it's the same level of ignorance towards a certain group of people. He could join weightwatchers like so it isn't all out of his control. "Fat" isn't a fucking issue, man. We've established this ages ago. I've literally used what you said as an example earlier on. Read.

Him being from London has got NOTHING to do with it. I dunno how many times it has to brought up with you in particular, you just don't get it like. I do get it. Completely. It just doesn't f***ing matter like you seem to think it does. It matters from a public perception perspective. We'll always be seen as being unjustly harsh on people just because they're from Larndarn. It's not the end of the world, it's just another stick to beat us with, and another way for everyone to bang on about how unrealistic we are. I don't really give a s*** if Londoners think we hate London. We know we don't. Anyone with any sense knows we don't. If they think we do well tough s*** - more fool them for making a stereotype. Well you should give a s***, it puts us in a bad light and gives everyone another stick to beat us with. Just because other fans sing it to opposition players doesn't make it fine, we're doing it to our own owner as if 'cockney' is a derogatory term, if you think that's fine then that's fair enough, but you're a bit naive if you think that other people outside of the club don't believe the same (including players and managers and staff that we might want as some point) Why should I give a s*** if Southerners think that I, as a Geordie, hate them all on the basis of one song against one Southern c***? Even if they do make that assumption - more fool them. Their narrow-mindedness will be far worse than mine for singing that about one person. Quite frankly even if people don't like it when I'm abusive about one of their "own" then that's tough s***. I wouldn't be abusive if he wasn't a c***. Which he clearly is. If the shoe was on the other foot I'd totally expect Southerners to call their owner a Geordie c***, and I wouldn't think they hated all of us for that reason. You should give a s*** because for the last 4 years we've had a manager that was excused by the media, fans, pundits and possibly our own owner from being totally s*** because they assumed we didn't like him for being Southern. It's one of the reasons that he got away with being s*** for so long. And it's not their narrow-mindedness if you're calling someone a cockney ffs. It's yours. If someone called me a thick geordie c***, or any other slur I wouldn't think that it was my own narrow-mindedness for not realising that it was some sort of delightful banter, I'd think they were an ignorant dick, the same is true the other way around. Basically it blurs and undermines any real message from getting through because it's easy to look at it and think that people dislike them because of where they're from and I'm f***ing sick to back teeth of having to explain this to people who wonder why the media talk s*** about us on a regular basis and everything feeds into itself and nothing ever gets better. That bit is just utter s****. Sorry like, it just is. He was excused through his football friends in the media and generally lazy journalism and reporting. We had Hughton who was absolutely loved before him. You're totally missing my point. I'm not saying us singing that isn't narrow-minded. I'm saying them assuming all Geordies hate all Southerners from that one chant is even more narrow-minded. Pardew hardly ever got any grief for being a Cockney. He got grief for being a lying, inept, deceitful c***. Ashley however, is a different matter. It's not a particularly thoughtful chant, but then how many are? If you want them to be bellowed out then they need to be simple so that the masses can get involved. The North-East is one of the poorest regions in Britain so inevitably there will be some discontent towards London anyway. That's not to say it's right, but it probably contributes. He is a fat, rich, London t***. Therefore, if he is called a Cockney so be it. Regardless of how accurate it is. Frustrating it may be but surely the fat and b****** are the offensive parts. The poor reporting is the issue, the disregard for the actual facts. People know about the politics surrounding the local papers and the club so the rest get brandished Southern papers. Which probably isn't far from the truth. I just think this whole debate goes further than football. It's all about people's ideas about what is and isn't offensive and what is / isn't politically correct. I assume those of you kicking up a fuss about "cockney" probably have stronger links than most to the London area? Either that or totally left wing. Well it's not s*** at all, it's everywhere you look/looked. Just today alone that was Paul Merson and Phil Thompsons assertion on us, that we won't accept a southerner, or a non-geordie. If you can't see that putting a word in between 'fat' and 'b******' is meant to be seen as offensive then I dunno what to say to you, you're either being naive or you're talking s***. And yes, I know we loved Hughton, I make that point constantly and I've spent a great deal of time arguing against this idea that we don't like people from the south, only for our fans to use the word cockney as a slur. It's not at all narrow minded to hear 'you fat cockney b******' and think 'they don't like cockneys'..not even in the slightest bit narrow-minded. If you don't have a problem with cockneys, don't use it as part of an insult. As has been brought up elsewhere, you wouldn't say 'you fat black b******' and suggest that it's narrow minded for people to think that it means you don't like black people, of course it means that. Both have nothing to do with it. See, why are you saying that he's a fat, rich, london t***, it's so f***ing embarrassing man. The North East being poor has NOTHING to do with it, it's about people being thick and hypocritical. Oh, don't tell us that we wanted Pardew out because he's a cockney, we loved Hughton and Lee and Ferdinand...YOU FAT COCKNEY b******, GET OUT OF OUR CLUB...we don't hate Cockneys man, what are you on about!? It's so undermining. As for the last paragraph, hang your head in shame mate. FWIW, I don't, I'm just a f***ing human being and don't give a s*** where people come from. I don't give a s*** where people come from. I just don't see why people see it as any more offensive than being called, tall, short, fat, thin, blonde or ginger but that all seems to not matter. When it comes to region or race it gets blown out of proportion and this whole Cockney rant is a fine example of that. It seems history only matters when it suits certain people or groups of people. Cannot be arsed to debate this with you - we obviously aren't changing each others opinions at all. So I'm leaving it at that. As mentioned in my previous post, that's not to say I advocate racism or owt like that, I just draw the PC line a little bit differently to you. Calling someone "fat" is kinda mean towards fat people who might take offence. They can do something about that though, they can lose weight. You can't change the color of your skin and stuff like that. It's not the argument though. The argument is that the chant feeds the general perception that we as Newcastle fans hate people not from Newcastle. Which is wrong, and stupid, and annoying. The chant is s*** even if it didn't aid the media in portraying Newcastle fans as hating people from certain places of the world. Imagine if he was Jewish man, and the chant maintained the same level of ignorance. "You greedy Jewish b******, get out of our club." You really think that's the same level of ignorance? It's hanging someone out to dry because of something generally out of their control. Without applying historical context regarding this exact example, yes, it's the same level of ignorance towards a certain group of people.

Him being from London has got NOTHING to do with it. I dunno how many times it has to brought up with you in particular, you just don't get it like. I do get it. Completely. It just doesn't f***ing matter like you seem to think it does. It matters from a public perception perspective. We'll always be seen as being unjustly harsh on people just because they're from Larndarn. It's not the end of the world, it's just another stick to beat us with, and another way for everyone to bang on about how unrealistic we are. I don't really give a s*** if Londoners think we hate London. We know we don't. Anyone with any sense knows we don't. If they think we do well tough s*** - more fool them for making a stereotype. Well you should give a s***, it puts us in a bad light and gives everyone another stick to beat us with. Just because other fans sing it to opposition players doesn't make it fine, we're doing it to our own owner as if 'cockney' is a derogatory term, if you think that's fine then that's fair enough, but you're a bit naive if you think that other people outside of the club don't believe the same (including players and managers and staff that we might want as some point) Why should I give a s*** if Southerners think that I, as a Geordie, hate them all on the basis of one song against one Southern c***? Even if they do make that assumption - more fool them. Their narrow-mindedness will be far worse than mine for singing that about one person. Quite frankly even if people don't like it when I'm abusive about one of their "own" then that's tough s***. I wouldn't be abusive if he wasn't a c***. Which he clearly is. If the shoe was on the other foot I'd totally expect Southerners to call their owner a Geordie c***, and I wouldn't think they hated all of us for that reason. You should give a s*** because for the last 4 years we've had a manager that was excused by the media, fans, pundits and possibly our own owner from being totally s*** because they assumed we didn't like him for being Southern. It's one of the reasons that he got away with being s*** for so long. And it's not their narrow-mindedness if you're calling someone a cockney ffs. It's yours. If someone called me a thick geordie c***, or any other slur I wouldn't think that it was my own narrow-mindedness for not realising that it was some sort of delightful banter, I'd think they were an ignorant dick, the same is true the other way around. Basically it blurs and undermines any real message from getting through because it's easy to look at it and think that people dislike them because of where they're from and I'm f***ing sick to back teeth of having to explain this to people who wonder why the media talk s*** about us on a regular basis and everything feeds into itself and nothing ever gets better. That bit is just utter s****. Sorry like, it just is. He was excused through his football friends in the media and generally lazy journalism and reporting. We had Hughton who was absolutely loved before him. You're totally missing my point. I'm not saying us singing that isn't narrow-minded. I'm saying them assuming all Geordies hate all Southerners from that one chant is even more narrow-minded. Pardew hardly ever got any grief for being a Cockney. He got grief for being a lying, inept, deceitful c***. Ashley however, is a different matter. It's not a particularly thoughtful chant, but then how many are? If you want them to be bellowed out then they need to be simple so that the masses can get involved. The North-East is one of the poorest regions in Britain so inevitably there will be some discontent towards London anyway. That's not to say it's right, but it probably contributes. He is a fat, rich, London t***. Therefore, if he is called a Cockney so be it. Regardless of how accurate it is. Frustrating it may be but surely the fat and b****** are the offensive parts. The poor reporting is the issue, the disregard for the actual facts. People know about the politics surrounding the local papers and the club so the rest get brandished Southern papers. Which probably isn't far from the truth. I just think this whole debate goes further than football. It's all about people's ideas about what is and isn't offensive and what is / isn't politically correct. I assume those of you kicking up a fuss about "cockney" probably have stronger links than most to the London area? Either that or totally left wing. Well it's not s*** at all, it's everywhere you look/looked. Just today alone that was Paul Merson and Phil Thompsons assertion on us, that we won't accept a southerner, or a non-geordie. If you can't see that putting a word in between 'fat' and 'b******' is meant to be seen as offensive then I dunno what to say to you, you're either being naive or you're talking s***. And yes, I know we loved Hughton, I make that point constantly and I've spent a great deal of time arguing against this idea that we don't like people from the south, only for our fans to use the word cockney as a slur. It's not at all narrow minded to hear 'you fat cockney b******' and think 'they don't like cockneys'..not even in the slightest bit narrow-minded. If you don't have a problem with cockneys, don't use it as part of an insult. As has been brought up elsewhere, you wouldn't say 'you fat black b******' and suggest that it's narrow minded for people to think that it means you don't like black people, of course it means that. Both have nothing to do with it. See, why are you saying that he's a fat, rich, london t***, it's so f***ing embarrassing man. The North East being poor has NOTHING to do with it, it's about people being thick and hypocritical. Oh, don't tell us that we wanted Pardew out because he's a cockney, we loved Hughton and Lee and Ferdinand...YOU FAT COCKNEY b******, GET OUT OF OUR CLUB...we don't hate Cockneys man, what are you on about!? It's so undermining. As for the last paragraph, hang your head in shame mate. FWIW, I don't, I'm just a f***ing human being and don't give a s*** where people come from. I don't give a shit where people come from. I just don't see why people see it as any more offensive than being called, tall, short, fat, thin, blonde or ginger but that all seems to not matter. When it comes to region or race it gets blown out of proportion and this whole Cockney rant is a fine example of that. It seems history only matters when it suits certain people or groups of people. Cannot be arsed to debate this with you - we obviously aren't changing each others opinions at all. So I'm leaving it at that. As mentioned in my previous post, that's not to say I advocate racism or owt like that, I just draw the PC line a little bit differently to you. Calling someone "fat" is kinda mean towards fat people who might take offence. They can do something about that though, they can lose weight. You can't change the color of your skin and stuff like that. It's not the argument though. The argument is that the chant feeds the general perception that we as Newcastle fans hate people not from Newcastle. Which is wrong, and stupid, and annoying. The chant is shit even if it didn't aid the media in portraying Newcastle fans as hating people from certain places of the world. Imagine if he was Jewish man, and the chant maintained the same level of ignorance. "You greedy Jewish bastard, get out of our club."

Him being from London has got NOTHING to do with it. I dunno how many times it has to brought up with you in particular, you just don't get it like. I do get it. Completely. It just doesn't f***ing matter like you seem to think it does. It matters from a public perception perspective. We'll always be seen as being unjustly harsh on people just because they're from Larndarn. It's not the end of the world, it's just another stick to beat us with, and another way for everyone to bang on about how unrealistic we are. I don't really give a s*** if Londoners think we hate London. We know we don't. Anyone with any sense knows we don't. If they think we do well tough s*** - more fool them for making a stereotype. Well you should give a s***, it puts us in a bad light and gives everyone another stick to beat us with. Just because other fans sing it to opposition players doesn't make it fine, we're doing it to our own owner as if 'cockney' is a derogatory term, if you think that's fine then that's fair enough, but you're a bit naive if you think that other people outside of the club don't believe the same (including players and managers and staff that we might want as some point) Why should I give a s*** if Southerners think that I, as a Geordie, hate them all on the basis of one song against one Southern c***? Even if they do make that assumption - more fool them. Their narrow-mindedness will be far worse than mine for singing that about one person. Quite frankly even if people don't like it when I'm abusive about one of their "own" then that's tough s***. I wouldn't be abusive if he wasn't a c***. Which he clearly is. If the shoe was on the other foot I'd totally expect Southerners to call their owner a Geordie c***, and I wouldn't think they hated all of us for that reason. You should give a s*** because for the last 4 years we've had a manager that was excused by the media, fans, pundits and possibly our own owner from being totally s*** because they assumed we didn't like him for being Southern. It's one of the reasons that he got away with being s*** for so long. And it's not their narrow-mindedness if you're calling someone a cockney ffs. It's yours. If someone called me a thick geordie c***, or any other slur I wouldn't think that it was my own narrow-mindedness for not realising that it was some sort of delightful banter, I'd think they were an ignorant dick, the same is true the other way around. Basically it blurs and undermines any real message from getting through because it's easy to look at it and think that people dislike them because of where they're from and I'm f***ing sick to back teeth of having to explain this to people who wonder why the media talk s*** about us on a regular basis and everything feeds into itself and nothing ever gets better. That bit is just utter s****. Sorry like, it just is. He was excused through his football friends in the media and generally lazy journalism and reporting. We had Hughton who was absolutely loved before him. You're totally missing my point. I'm not saying us singing that isn't narrow-minded. I'm saying them assuming all Geordies hate all Southerners from that one chant is even more narrow-minded. Pardew hardly ever got any grief for being a Cockney. He got grief for being a lying, inept, deceitful c***. Ashley however, is a different matter. It's not a particularly thoughtful chant, but then how many are? If you want them to be bellowed out then they need to be simple so that the masses can get involved. The North-East is one of the poorest regions in Britain so inevitably there will be some discontent towards London anyway. The poor reporting is the issue, the disregard for the actual facts. People know about the politics surrounding the local papers and the club so the rest get brandished Southern papers. Which probably isn't far from the truth. I just think this whole debate goes further than football. It's all about people's ideas about what is and isn't offensive and what is / isn't politically correct. I assume those of you kicking up a fuss about "cockney" probably have stronger links than most to the London area? Either that or totally left wing. Nah people just think it's a s*** chant. How can you not see the hypocrisy in it? You can't dig out southern media bias then insult someone based on them being a cockney. It's totally ridiculous I can dig out Southern media bias on the basis it is s***, non-factual, lazy reporting, not that it is Southern. If it is Southern based then that is geographically correct, and ultimately not a slur. Therefore, it is not hypocrisy. The Ashley chant I would agree, is somewhat hypocritical, and it is a s*** chant. But it is offensive, and offensive towards him and him alone. So I couldn't really give a s***. nah its castigating him on the basis of where is he from being a factor. It's stupidly hypocritical.All you are doing is reinforcing the stereotype that you claim the "southern" media have invented Not really, it's just describing him. The "bastard" thing is equally incorrect I'm sure but no-one is debating that. It's like being called a Cockney is worse than a fat bastard. The chant isn't well thought out, I'll give you's that. Nor is it a catchy song. The way you's go on about us calling Ashley a "Cockney" is just a little daft and sensitive for me though. Then again I'm sure I would disagree with you about racism and things like that though. FWIW that's not to say I'm a racist either - I just distinguish it differently to others. #CanOfWorms He has done things towards NUFC fans and people connected with NUFC that are quite mean. Bastard is an apt description coming from us towards this person. Him being from London is just him being from London.

Until we are finally rid of our fat f*** of an owner, McClaren would do if Carver is the only other alternative. You not been in the match thread? We can't say nasty things about our owner man. I think you totally missed the point of Kid Icarus' argument Not really. He's trying to be the moral guardian of the forum. No. You just missed the entire point.

It's 2014, not 1602. 2015 http://www.disclosurenewsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/shots-fired.jpg

It's so fucking annoying. Especially when "You fat fucking bastard" even sounds meaner than fucking "cockney". Fuck.

Keeps mentioning McCoist. The same McCoist that left Rangers because of Mike Ashley. Makes total sense.

He speaks perfectEnglish. Like, no noticable accent.

Didn't think he could lift them any higher or something IIRC. Also he's not taking a year off, he did not get out of his contract so he's still officially Mainz propert. Which sadly means they will need to be paid compensation if anyone wants Tuchel before the summer.

We do something similar at one of the radio channels at work all the time. It's a game called "Dick or Sack", where it's a close up picture of some skin and then the listeners need to guess if it's the dick or the sack. One of the most popular things on the morning show. Tend to get celeb guests to guess as well live. Live being one of the hosts showing some skin and then the guest looking and guessing if it's dick or sack. http://i.imgur.com/qHVgJaC.jpg Good stuff.