bobbydazzla

I fell in love with Eddie because of the defence he built in his first full season. I thought all the horrors of NUFC defences that I’ve had to endure in the last 40 years might have finally been banished to the annals of history. Whatever magic touch he had then, has long since gone. And I’m now watching the same Keystone Cops defending that I’ve known for all my adult life. I feel extremely let down at how he’s shattered my defensive dreams, not gonna lie.

What does it actually mean though. I think the original post said we were 5th for xGC. We’re 5th worst in the league for the number of decent scoring chances we give to the opposition ? Surely we can’t be 5th best, given how tragic our defensive record is. That would be mental.

22/23 we only conceded 33 goals all season A little bit of jizz spurts out of the end of my wriggler whenever I think about that

We’ve thrown away more points from decent positions than any other team in the league, we’ve failed to gain points from losing positions more than any other team in the league. That all can’t be down to bad luck. So I’m sceptical about luck being the problem. Cogito ergo sum, if we had a decent keeper everything would be sweet like chocklit ?

We’re 14th in the league for goals conceded. 2nd bottom of the league for points gained from losing positions. Rock bottom for points dropped from winning positions. Rock bottom for points gained when conceding first. Whisper in my lughole and explain what xGC is telling me that those stats don’t ? I promise not to bite your ear off

I’ve got 2 x cousins who have the same birthday 2 x years apart and it’s the day before their mams birthday. They’re not related to Mo Salah though.

We even got our money back on the much maligned Chris Wood. Only downside was seeing him banging them in for Forest after he was in the doldrums here.

What came first, the chicken or the egg. They could be underperforming because Howe’s having a frustrating season. Or Howe’s having a frustrating season because the players have been underperforming. Takes two to tango.

No-one’s talked much about what Eddie might want from us. It’s all about what we want from him. Maybe he’s thinking he’d fancy a change. Maybe he’s getting sick of NUFC.

I was banging on about those exact stats on here last week. And unsurprisingly given the defensive record, we're in relegation fodder positions for both Points Gained After Going Behind and Points Dropped From Being Ahead. Conclusion: We're weak as piss.

I'm neither Howe In or Howe Out. And I'd say having a manager like Eddie, that we can be proud of, is important to me. But I'd also say that: 1) results and overall progress matter more to me than being a great ambassador and "getting" the club. 2) other managers should be able to be a great ambassador and "get" the club. If the recruitment is done right.

If you're comparing Alonso to Jose and Conte at Spurs then you also haven't thought that through either. Alonso's only been a fully fledged manager since Oct 2022. That's 3.5 years. A couple of years where he did a amazing turnaround at a Leverkusen team that was doomed. Then a torrid 6 months with Real. And Leverkusen got him from Real Sociedad B team. Which also backs up an opinion that there can be successful managers lurking in places you wouldn't expect to find them. And once again, for the record, I'm not saying Alonso is coming here. He's being used as a hypothetical example.

I'm not saying he's coming here. I'm just saying he's a name that was mentioned and was shot down for the same reasons you've just given and I was just offering an alternative viewpoint. It was hypothetical. And your Real Madrid example is why he might prefer a lower level of team than going to another elite team. He had a shocker at Madrid and might prefer to avoid going for another elite club right now. So you rubbished my hypothetical and then went and justified it, all in the same post. "He was shit at a top team so he'll have his pick of the top teams" plus "he couldn't get galacticos to perfom so he won't fit in at NUFC". You haven't really thought that through have you.

Stop being a menace. They're in the 1/4's of the Champs League too. When they appointed Kompany it was a proper head scratcher given his CV. And it's not been a disaster. That's the point being made.

To give a view on a Howe replacement people have to 1) Know the global pool of managers 2) Predict the future about how bringing a manager here would work out It's a completely pointless exercise. Alonso might be sitting there thinking "I'd fucking love a crack at the NUFC job, it'd be a step between the turn around at Leverkusen and the elite club nightmare I've just had at Real" Neither you, or me or anyone else who posts on this forum know what Alonso's thinking.

Bayern took the unproven in the Bundesliga bloke who'd just got Burnley relegated. And he seems to be doing well. Man Utd took the unproven in the Premier League bloke who'd just been sacked by Boro. And he seems to be doing well. Man Utd took the highly rated proven trophy winner from Sporting and he was fucking shit. Yadda yadda yadda. People who post on internet forums who think they know how to run football clubs generally don't know how to run football clubs.

It's a ridiculous thing to be asked as a justification for having the opinion as to why Howe's time here might be up. And it's absolutely pointless given no-one has any idea which managers might be interested in coming here. Someone suggested Alonso just to put a name out there and was immediately shot down with a "No chance, Liverpool done deal" response. I couldn't even name all of the managers in the Premier League, never mind Europe, South America, Saudi and so on. But I can still see that changing Howe might be what's needed. People feel strongly that they want to replace Noon as a shirt sponsor. Do they have to offer up alternatives in order to express their opinion ? People feel strongly that Andy Howe shouldn't be in this job because his uncle is the manager. Do they have to offer up alternatives to express their opinion ?

Why does identifying a potential problem mean you also have to suggest a possible solution ? I haven't got a clue about the global management talent pool. Doesn't mean I can't think we look stale and out of ideas and a change MIGHT be what's needed to fix things. And for the record, I'm neither Howe In or Howe Out. I can see upsides and downsides of both sticking and twisting.

And having a deeks at this also

Worth having a deeks at this again

Well aye, good acoustics aren’t going to fix a shit crowd. And you’re also referencing a bygone era referring back to the early 90’s. It was arguably the most exciting time to be a Newcastle fan in the last 50 years, we still had terraces and football was nowhere near as sanitised as it is now. But the fact is we currently have shit acoustics that don’t help with atmosphere in a situation where we also have a lacklustre crowd.

Well aye, obviously it’s the people who go to games who create the atmosphere but the acoustics at SJP are fucking awful and that can’t be denied. You can hear L7 more clearly from outside the south end of the ground than when you’re actually in the south end of the ground for starters. The two things can be mutually exclusive.

Some do, some don’t. Maybe Eddie will, maybe he won’t. But everything we’ve been experiencing aligns with what the Bournemouth fan who came on here told us what Howe was like in his end days there, so that’s why it feels like history repeating.

I think it’s absolutely valid for someone to say they think Howe should go without having to name a replacement. Not everyone on N-O is an expert in scouting and recruiting managers, but everyone on the board has an opinion on Howe. I can see my dishwasher is broken, doesn’t mean I have to fix the fucker myself.

It all feels remarkably similar to how Bournemouth fans describe the end of Eddie’s era there. History repeating.