Jackie Broon

This performance is as much of an indictment of the players and coaching staff as Crystal Palace putting 5 past us. They only ever bother to put in any effort against the 'big clubs'.

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Before Moyes came along Everton had escaped relegation on the last day for about 3 the previous 5 seasons. He rebuilt the club, established a very successful scouting system and made them regular top 6 contenders. He is the only available and realistic target who has a track record that suggests he he could turn us around this season and go on to build something decent under Ashley.

Southampton aren't a million miles from us in terms of ownership predicament. An owner with no interest in the club who will only invest in the club by piling debt onto it that she'll eventually want back. The difference is that at Southampton there are obviously competent people handling the day to day running of the club. Ashley isn't going anywhere anytime soon, relegation or not, but with better people running the club things could be very different. Why do Southampton chose competent people and Ashley doesn't? Ashley lives for the bargain basement. Bargain basement MD & managers. And we can only hope he eventually wakes up and sees that it is a false economy. He's been asleep for eight years. He won't wake up. This time there is nowhere else for the blame to lie; no supporter protests, no manager walk-outs or heart attacks, no significant injury crisis, no players sold, money has been spent and a manager they chose and almost got us relegated waiting for. The spotlight is now firmly on the board.

Southampton aren't a million miles from us in terms of ownership predicament. An owner with no interest in the club who will only invest in the club by piling debt onto it that she'll eventually want back. The difference is that at Southampton there are obviously competent people handling the day to day running of the club. Ashley isn't going anywhere anytime soon, relegation or not, but with better people running the club things could be very different. Why do Southampton chose competent people and Ashley doesn't? Ashley lives for the bargain basement. Bargain basement MD & managers. And we can only hope he eventually wakes up and sees that it is a false economy.

Southampton aren't a million miles from us in terms of ownership predicament. An owner with no interest in the club who will only invest in the club by piling debt onto it that she'll eventually want back. The difference is that at Southampton there are obviously competent people handling the day to day running of the club. Ashley isn't going anywhere anytime soon, relegation or not, but with better people running the club things could be very different.

We've got Coloccina, he is from Argentina....

Ashley appointed them. So the buck stops with him for promoting the f***ing club secretary to MD. Whilst I agree, Ashley is the only one that is guaranteed to be going nowhere. So what's your point? My point is we're stuck with Ashley. It's pie in the sky to talk about forcing him out and its fucking stupid to just repeat 'Ashley is the main problem' when there is glaring incompetence below him that could have something done about it.

Ashley appointed them. So the buck stops with him for promoting the f***ing club secretary to MD. Whilst I agree, Ashley is the only one that is guaranteed to be going nowhere.

Ultimately, it's this cunt that should be first against the wall. http://b.smimg.net/15/04/300x225/lee-charnley.jpg We were in a decent position when Pardew fucked off. He gave himself half a season to find the right manager, which nearly got us relegated, and ended up picking that fuckin' chump.

On last season's form, yes. When he's played this season he's looked as bad as any of them.

That's only the FA cup and only if we look safe by the time it comes around.

This is the point really. Putting another tier on the East stand would actually improve that area dramatically. The stand could be moved out to the edge of the paved area with access underneath like the Leazes and Milburn stands. A mirrored glass fascia would look a million times better than the concrete monstrosity there now and would reflect light onto Leazes terrace. Even the most reactionary town planner should be able to see the sense in something like this. I suppose space would limit it to something the size of the 3rd tier at Old Trafford though so dont know how many seats that would add. Success on the pitch must come first though and we all know how likely that is. Mirrored glass is often a big no no and a cheap option to 'fit in with the surrounding areas'. When you can get sandstone cladding fairly cheap now there is no reason why the back of the east stand can't simply just have this, it would be a cheap and easy option that would make the area look 100x better. Extending the boundary out towards the edge of the paved area would also be a good option, this could create more concourse space in the east stand which is needed. For the record the type of cladding I'm on about is the same of that which is used at Northumbria Kings gate and into buildings, as well as it being the same as used at Wellbar and Times Central behind he Gallowgate. http://www.bondbryan.com/uploads/images/kingsgate-1.jpg With our owner it would probably end up more like this: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/coronationstreet/images/2/28/No9_full_view.jpg

This is the point really. Putting another tier on the East stand would actually improve that area dramatically. The stand could be moved out to the edge of the paved area with access underneath like the Leazes and Milburn stands. A mirrored glass fascia would look a million times better than the concrete monstrosity there now and would reflect light onto Leazes terrace. Even the most reactionary town planner should be able to see the sense in something like this. I suppose space would limit it to something the size of the 3rd tier at Old Trafford though so dont know how many seats that would add. Success on the pitch must come first though and we all know how likely that is. I doubt it would be technically possible to go straight up with another tier. Even if an upper tier were directly above the first the support structure for the upper tier would need to be behind the lower tier and would need to be fairly substantial to support a stand cantilevered over the lower tier. It would almost certainly need to project back quite a bit further towards Leazes Terrace.

I don't think anybodys too arsed about that row of houses. i am tbh Me too, I feel proud of the my beautiful city every time I walk up to St. James' through those Georgian streets. How many other stadiums are in those sort of surroundings? (only Arsenal maybe) It's part of the soul of the club. Hey fair play lads. If things had gone the way we wanted twenty years ago and we were now challenging every year I'd prefer to see the east stand expanded. But as we're currently crap then it's irrelevant really. It's just never going to happen though. Leazes Terrace is a building of national significance, realistically any further extension of that stand would harm the building either in terms of the impact on its setting or people living there. Even if listed building consent and planning permission were granted to move Leazes Terrace, which is doubtful, the cost would be astronomical! It would probably be a lot cheaper to build a temporary stadium somewhere else, knock down St. James's rebuild it further to the west. Neither option would be worth the cost for 5-10,000 more seats. The only realistic option would be the Gallowgate end, if we ever have enough ambition again to need the extra seats.

I don't think anybodys too arsed about that row of houses. i am tbh Me too, I feel proud of the my beautiful city every time I walk up to St. James' through those Georgian streets. How many other stadiums are in those sort of surroundings? (only Arsenal maybe) It's part of the soul of the club.

In the best days of the Sir Bobby era there were plenty of empty seats for all but the marquee matches. Realistically, unless we were to do a Man City and basically give tickets away, I can't see that we'd regularly fill a larger stadium even if we were competing with the top four. Good username, mate, I'll assume that's a Tarantino reference. Disagree though, we could pack the place if any of the owner, staff or players gave a s***. When we were competing back in the day it was heaving and hard to get tickets. A brilliant time when KK was first here as manager and we could have gone on from that; I wouldn't be surprised if we could get 100,000 in when you add gloryhunters. I'm in hundreds of billions territory here. I have literally no idea why Fat Mike hasn't noticed this. He could make a lot of money, which is his thing. What a tool. Thanks mate, Geordie Ridley actually. It was nigh on impossible to get tickets in the Keegan era (although someone I used to sit next to claimed he'd managed to get to every home match in 95-96 despite not having a season ticket), but when we expanded to 52,000 there were tickets unsold for most matches, even when we were a top 3 side.

In the best days of the Sir Bobby era there were plenty of empty seats for all but the marquee matches. Realistically, unless we were to do a Man City and basically give tickets away, I can't see that we'd regularly fill a larger stadium even if we were competing with the top four.

It's a huge span, with no support columns (unless the pitch somehow retracts in strips), needing to support a fuck-ton of weight. I can't get my head around how it could be technically possible either.

Comparatively it's far, far, far less. At that point the tv money for the whole league combined was less than the bottom place gets now and the world transfer record was £13m for Lentini (which was still considered to be a staggering amount), 6m was the equivalent of about £30-40m in today's money.

Totally. We need to spend c.£100m and need seven proven players. That would be doable with the Sky money, prize money, £30m in the bank, transfer surplus, etc. but someone carlessly left the cash lying about and it just disappeared. So that won't be happening either. Almost resigned now to us scraping around - yet again - in the bargain bucket in the final week of the window, and unearthing more gems like Riviere. There's too much money sloshing around the league to get away with running the club like that any longer. If fat and fatter haven't woken up to that fact, fuck 'em, I hope we plumett!

Commercial revenue is still very important and so is match day revenue.£5m difference a year would pay the wages of 2 important players for most teams in the division.. Still important, but nowhere near as important as they used to be. Clubs like Southampton can compete financially with us now, ten years ago there was no way they could have.

In the past matchday revenue was the largest proportion of most clubs' revenue. We have matchday revenues ahead of anyone outside of the top 4-5 clubs which gave us much greater spending power than anyone outside of the top 4-5 clubs. However, matchday revenue is now a small proportion of overall revenue, most of it comes from premier league TV revenue which has increased 27 fold since 1997 and is relatively evenly spread across the league. So, unlike just 5 or so years ago, all established premiership clubs are pretty much as rich as each-other (aside from Man U, Arsenal and the oil clubs). Differences in matchday and commercial revenue have much less of an impact on spending power than they did in the past (aside maybe from Man United and Arsenal because theirs is so much greater than everyone else). With the TV deal as it is, financially, we're just simply not significantly bigger than the likes of Southampton.

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I get the impression that Blatter's predilection is power rather than more and more money. He's established and maintained that power by turning a blind eye to others indulging their predilection for money. So it may well be that nothing is directly traceable back to him.