themanupstairs

That sentence in bold is probably one of the biggest piles of dogshit I have ever read on this forum This is the problem with anti-Ashley posters and the likes of the NUSC. Banging on about what's been done wrong without even attempting to acknowledge the point of the original post, which is about clubs going facing real financial difficulties if they spend beyond their means without any proportionate success. Does this sound like any club in particular? This is the problem about those who have bought into Ashley's propaganda and have posted on this thread without correctly interpreting what others have said - there was absolutely NOTHING in my posting which mentioned Ashley's spend - if you look again , you will see that I said he has messed up Jumbo style ; this has nothing to do with the spend but EVERYTHING to do with his decision-making...and I stand by that 100 % , as would anyone unless they think that creating a situation where KK walks out, employing a third-rater like Kinnear after making an abortive effort to sell the club(and then offering him a 2 year contract) etc etc...is good management. not arguing with any of that like, but i love the chelp that Happy Face has railed off into about spending on managers under ashley after a massive amount of the debt ashley paid off was built up by the previous owners in appointing s*** managers on big contracts, allowing them to spend a fortune on s*** players then sacking them and paying them off you couldn't make it up Ashley hasn't paid it off. He's changed the lender....to himself...so we save on the interest. Ashley has sacked managers at a rate 3 times more frequent than Shepherd did. Why do you support this course of action while deriding it from the previous chairman? But I don't see a problem in Ashley being repaid the loans he has made to the club. After all, if it was a PLC the shareholder(s) would all be entitled to dividends from the club each year. Is it really so dreadful to expect to be repaid for loans made to the club. It makes sound business sense to me, and once the loans are repaid, and providing the club is on a stable financial footing, then the club will, if run sensibly along the lines now set out by Ashley, generate ample funds for player purchases for years to come. Hopefully players will want to play for NUFC for the kudos of playing for a top well run and successful club, rather than that last big payday. I have no problem whatsoever with him loaning the club money interest free rather than a bank. It's just as beneficial for him as it is for the club. We save on interest and loan repayments until he sells. And just like the banks, he gets the full amount back, even if players he's signed decrease in value to zero and we're left with a shitty squad fighting relegation year after year. Started off brightly but you still insisted on twisting a perfectly good and reasonable post to fit your agenda How's that man? It's just as good for Ashley being the clubs moneylender as it is for the club. There's no negativity in that, no underhand, money laundering, assett stripping conspiracy theory. Just a fact that it's a common sense approach for both parties. I'd have thought my agenda would be the same as yours. We want Newcastle to do better in the league. But that's my point exactly. It does not matter to me if it's beneficial to Ashley as well. I couldn't care less what Ashley does or benefits from the club, so long as Newcastle United is better off as a result. He has made several serious errors in judgment, but one cannot ignore the massive job being done in terms of re-structuring the club's finances, and bringing on the youth policy, to ensure our survival as a football club once this whole crisis has blown over.

That sentence in bold is probably one of the biggest piles of dogshit I have ever read on this forum This is the problem with anti-Ashley posters and the likes of the NUSC. Banging on about what's been done wrong without even attempting to acknowledge the point of the original post, which is about clubs going facing real financial difficulties if they spend beyond their means without any proportionate success. Does this sound like any club in particular? This is the problem about those who have bought into Ashley's propaganda and have posted on this thread without correctly interpreting what others have said - there was absolutely NOTHING in my posting which mentioned Ashley's spend - if you look again , you will see that I said he has messed up Jumbo style ; this has nothing to do with the spend but EVERYTHING to do with his decision-making...and I stand by that 100 % , as would anyone unless they think that creating a situation where KK walks out, employing a third-rater like Kinnear after making an abortive effort to sell the club(and then offering him a 2 year contract) etc etc...is good management. not arguing with any of that like, but i love the chelp that Happy Face has railed off into about spending on managers under ashley after a massive amount of the debt ashley paid off was built up by the previous owners in appointing s*** managers on big contracts, allowing them to spend a fortune on s*** players then sacking them and paying them off you couldn't make it up Ashley hasn't paid it off. He's changed the lender....to himself...so we save on the interest. Ashley has sacked managers at a rate 3 times more frequent than Shepherd did. Why do you support this course of action while deriding it from the previous chairman? But I don't see a problem in Ashley being repaid the loans he has made to the club. After all, if it was a PLC the shareholder(s) would all be entitled to dividends from the club each year. Is it really so dreadful to expect to be repaid for loans made to the club. It makes sound business sense to me, and once the loans are repaid, and providing the club is on a stable financial footing, then the club will, if run sensibly along the lines now set out by Ashley, generate ample funds for player purchases for years to come. Hopefully players will want to play for NUFC for the kudos of playing for a top well run and successful club, rather than that last big payday. I have no problem whatsoever with him loaning the club money interest free rather than a bank. It's just as beneficial for him as it is for the club. We save on interest and loan repayments until he sells. And just like the banks, he gets the full amount back, even if players he's signed decrease in value to zero and we're left with a shitty squad fighting relegation year after year. Started off brightly but you still insisted on twisting a perfectly good and reasonable post to fit your agenda

That sentence in bold is probably one of the biggest piles of dogshit I have ever read on this forum This is the problem with anti-Ashley posters and the likes of the NUSC. Banging on about what's been done wrong without even attempting to acknowledge the point of the original post, which is about clubs going facing real financial difficulties if they spend beyond their means without any proportionate success. Does this sound like any club in particular? This is the problem about those who have bought into Ashley's propaganda and have posted on this thread without correctly interpreting what others have said - there was absolutely NOTHING in my posting which mentioned Ashley's spend - if you look again , you will see that I said he has messed up Jumbo style ; this has nothing to do with the spend but EVERYTHING to do with his decision-making...and I stand by that 100 % , as would anyone unless they think that creating a situation where KK walks out, employing a third-rater like Kinnear after making an abortive effort to sell the club(and then offering him a 2 year contract) etc etc...is good management. not arguing with any of that like, but i love the chelp that Happy Face has railed off into about spending on managers under ashley after a massive amount of the debt ashley paid off was built up by the previous owners in appointing s*** managers on big contracts, allowing them to spend a fortune on s*** players then sacking them and paying them off you couldn't make it up Ashley hasn't paid it off. He's changed the lender....to himself...so we save on the interest. Ashley has sacked managers at a rate 3 times more frequent than Shepherd did. Why do you support this course of action while deriding it from the previous chairman? But I don't see a problem in Ashley being repaid the loans he has made to the club. After all, if it was a PLC the shareholder(s) would all be entitled to dividends from the club each year. Is it really so dreadful to expect to be repaid for loans made to the club. It makes sound business sense to me, and once the loans are repaid, and providing the club is on a stable financial footing, then the club will, if run sensibly along the lines now set out by Ashley, generate ample funds for player purchases for years to come. Hopefully players will want to play for NUFC for the kudos of playing for a top well run and successful club, rather than that last big payday.

Completley agree. Same here. For all of Shepherd's faults, he could have rectified the mess he made of the SBR situation by appointing a good manager instead of plumping for Souness. I for one would have been happy enough with that, seeing the amount of money that would have been spent in an attempt to improve from where Robson had left off.

There's so much wrong with that post it's hard to know where to start but the bolded bit...I disagree that JK is a worse manager than Allardyce, and if you are saying that it was wrong to pay out so much money to get rid of the fat faker, then obviously that negates your point about paying Keegan off as he would never have been here, we'd still have Allardyce, heading to Hull with a ten man defence and hoofing the ball 50 yards for Owen to scrap for. The point relates more to the one in the article from the OP that part of valncia's problem is the rate at which they go through managers. Ashley has gone through 3 managers in one season.....but is sticking with the worst one. If you think Allardyce is a worse manager than Kinnear then it serves to further illustrate how clueless you are. At least I'm not so clueless to totally distort the point of the OP in order to get my digs in and pretend it was praising Ashley for "running things well". "Let's all give thanks to uncle Mike...." "the titles a piss take obviously" keep going though bonny lad, doing well.... OK "things could be much, much worse imo" "things could have been very different had nobody bought the club from FS/Halls" "MAYBE Mike Ashley buying this club will turn out to be a blessing in disguise" FYP. Seems like you can't read

That sentence in bold is probably one of the biggest piles of dogshit I have ever read on this forum and that takes some doing. (surely i must have a few contenders for that) Wow wee look it here, the king of cool being all humble and shit Give off man....you're da shiznit! Stop acting like you don't know, and keep it real mofo

Mates don't give me shit anymore. They sort of feel sorry for me being a supporter, and some will watch games with me hoping we'd win. NUFC is quite liked where I am as a neutral club despite the shambles of recent seasons.

That sentence in bold is probably one of the biggest piles of dogshit I have ever read on this forum

Frightening indeed. The powers that be obviously do realize the severity of the situation, but are prepared to do fuck all about it. The top brass just want to line their pockets while they still can, and jump ship when the going gets tough. Maybe Mike Ashley buying this club will turn out to be a blessing in disguise, and maybe once the dust has settled, we will be one of the clubs on a better financial footing than many others who could find themselves in dire straits. Let's hope this will be the case.

He's doing f*** all to the fans Ashley employed him, Ashley lied, Keegan walked, Ashley threatened Keegan with legal action of the clause saying he had to pay him X amount, Keegan takes them to court citing constructive dismissal. + keegan lied. About what? Source? There's been nothing in the press about this for obvious reasons so a few people on here must have inside knowledge about various things during his time here and from his own mouth. coupled with various mort quotes, he might find he hasnt much of a case. Very much in the same way Mike "Yes, Keegan has full control.....oh wait, no he doesn't" Ashley lied. It seems pretty clear to me that due to the fact it's being settled out of court your man Mike and his pals have realised that they're the ones who'd be over a barrell if it went any further. True dat. Word. They're f***ed if Keegan comes out and confirms to us what we're already thinking. Not true necessarily. The exact sequence of events that led to Keegan going is known only to those who were directly involved. It would come down to a court having to believe someone's word against the other party, and thats in both the constructive dismissal case and the breach of contract case. How can anyone predict who a court would believe in those circumstances? Both parties are on risk of losing, which is why a settlement is the way it is going. I think any court would find for Keegan with the evidence that is in the public domain. Mike lied, kids. Mike lied... NO! Dont say that, the Mike Ashley Fan Boys will cry!!!

Yup. What cost us was the fact Sir Les couldn't hit a barn door in the second half of the season and he lost if mentally. Rob Lee never scored a goal as well for a few months. Gillespie getting injured impacted the balance of the team. Plus having two jokers in goal didn't help either. Shaka in that last few weeks was f***ing dreadful. The only two games I remember from Shaka over ten years on are Blackburn & Forest. Just so f***ing slow to react I've long blamed him for the defeat at Blackburn. Got his body behind the first i think it was and it would never have gone in. Was a total liability just like Pav only Pav was more likeable. I'll always love Tino - scored a hat-trick in the best game i've ever been too. Nothing will change on that front. Until we win something thats probably the best Ive ever felt being a Newcastle fan. My memory has taken a giant crap on me: did Tino play a part at all in the 5-0? I know he wasn't involved in the goals or anything, but did he come onto the pitch at any point?

Agree with some, that on the balance of things, he was neither this or that. Fantastically talented footballer though. Oh, and why we lost the title that year? Bottle. Absence of.

Milner with his trickery and dribbling skills reminded me so much of Gillespie. Gillespie was a cut above of course possessing terrific pace and pinpoint crossing.

writing was on the wall when he played upfront for the team who won the World Cup and didn't looklike scoring Wasn't he top scorer in World Cup 98 though? no way mate! he didn't even get on the scoresheet! he was top scorer in Ligue 1, or maybe in europe, that previous season.

Pistone's a good shout. Signing Italy's U21 captain, and Maldini look-alike at the time seemed like a brilliant move by Dalglish

bollocks! is it not just a noun for wisdom?

Not impossible, I suppose, but it's very, very unlikely we win all those games tbf. Have you seen us play? We're absolutely s**** like. Gotta have a little faith though don't you think? Might as well stop watching this season otherwise.

If we beat the dross, and get a point off the top 4, we'll finish on 50 points. That's wins against Bolton, Hull, Stoke, Fulham, Boro, Tottenham and Portsmouth - and a draw at home to Arsenal who normally find it difficult at SJP. Quite difficult aye, but not all that unlikely!

What a load of bollocks, surely. Can't see why you're saying that. Man U are a lot better than us at playing the ball through the midfield, and so any opposing team is going to be a lot more wary of pressing them. it's because Man U played West Ham and not Everton just being a pedant tbh

What a load of bollocks, surely.

Will hurt Everton badly. Probably the best player outside the top 4, and for me one of the best 3 midfielders in the league. Unlucky for club and player. Wish him a full recovery.

It was a howler of a tackle, and a red card was definitely the only decision the ref could make. But saying that, there was clearly no intention to hurt Anichebe. Why should that tackle get a 3 game ban, whereas twats like Cattermole (consistent injuring of other players) and Rooney (consistent misconduct) continue to get away with their own shit?

Not sure if it was Clarke, but yes you're probably right. And yes it did finish 3-1. Bazza had apparently bet on himself to score?

Problem for me is that Jonas is not a winger. His best work so far has come down the middle. We need him to play the same way Dyer did. It's the only way a ball carrier can be effective. He has the mobility, tenacity and passing of an attacking central midfielder. His poor crossing makes him wasted out in the channels. Can't say much about his finishing, but I'm sure he can tuck one away arriving late into the box. Wish we would at least try it!! Raylor and Duff can play out on the wings for now with Guthrie, Barton and Nolan all out. He's played about half a game down the middle from what i can recall, and was absolutely invisible. He's blatantly a winger, just an unorthodox one. I know that. I just mean that he's done some good work (productivity wise) drifting inside. I'd be tempted to give him a free role in a more advanced position so he can roam around. He should have been the one to send Martins away through on goal last night, and not the other way around.