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It's Heidar. Because everyone is going to know the spelling of some nobody foreigner. whoooosh You didn't answer Phil's question about why you though binnsy was wrong and were arsey about it. Then you just say 'it's Heidar', wtf is this supposed to mean then?

It's Heidar. Because everyone is going to know the spelling of some nobody foreigner.

Your capacity for being an arse must've had loads of work done then. He's obviously asking why you think he's so good.

Who is it who keeps singing Bramble's praises? He did well to keep it under double figures today, he's really came on since he left us.

All I said was that Holland are hardly 'not good enough.' They had a 100% record in qualification didn't they? Considering teams with less than three world class players have won major tournaments its hardly the wildest claim to say Holland would be in with a shout. Everyone is in comedian mode tonight it seems though.

3 players out of 23, that's us told. Three world class players in one team ain't bad. No doubt Coloccini could handle them all though.

Holland aren't good enough? Holland will probably choke as usual but I don't think you can say they aren't good enough. Van Persie, Sneijder and Robben are all class.

Defoe, crouch, krankjar I know, I was kidding! 90% of the players he's bought he's managed before.

The ears are what lose the most heat. That's why desert foxes, rabbits etc. all have massive ears, to keep cool.

Redknapp rarely buys his old players so can't see this happening.

Given sounds devasted.... ...bit like being relegated eh?

Joe Kinnear made a return to the PL. No wait, that's less believable than the Wenger one...

On the other hand, there's only a few examples of managers coming from the lower leagues and doing well when you think of all the managers who start and the lower leagues and just stay there, even with impressive records, there's hundreds of them. I say if you can get a top job, take it. If you fail, you fail. It's better than getting stuck in the lower leagues trying to work your way up.

The CV of every single current Premiership manager would suggest otherwise. You mention Dalglish, for example, but Liverpool long ago abandoned the practice of appointing from within. You must have missed the bits when I started talking about Juventus, Milan etc. then. Anyway Hughes, Zola (other than stuff with U21s, which was the national team to be fair) both went straight in at the top. So did McLeish if you include the top division in other countries. So not the CV of every current PL manager then. If you can call Wales or the Italy U21s "the top". But they are neither "top" nor league football. McLeish, as I already pointed out, started at Motherwell. I'm sure that's "top" in someone's book, but not mine, as it's way below the level he works at now. So you're wrong, basically. Meanwhile, let's applaud the glittering careers of those who previously stepped in at the top in the Premiership. Southgate, Gullit, Vialli... Any more examples of such resounding success? I gave other examples: Cruyff, Capello and Beckenbauer to name a few. I don't even understand your examples? Gullit won the FA Cup and Vialli won the League Cup, Cup Winners Cup, Super Cup and FA Cup. Surely that shows you can go in at the top and do well? Compare that to, as someone said, Gary Johnson, and it shows it doesn't always pay to start lower down.

Rugby players seem to be able to hold their tongue so it can't be anything to do with passion.

The CV of every single current Premiership manager would suggest otherwise. You mention Dalglish, for example, but Liverpool long ago abandoned the practice of appointing from within. You must have missed the bits when I started talking about Juventus, Milan etc. then. Anyway Hughes, Zola (other than stuff with U21s, which was the national team to be fair) both went straight in at the top. So did McLeish if you include the top division in other countries. So not the CV of every current PL manager then.

I hate the English bias as well. Before the CL final the media were constantly talking up Man U saying Barcelona had no chance and we obviously know what happened... Then afterwards the excuses came out and everyone was saying 'well what if Man U had scored in the first ten minutes they dominated?' as if they'd be saying that if it was the other way around.

You must hate the Women's Premier League. I always laugh when I see it on SSN and some teams have played 11 games and other only 3. But I guess they can't play in the rain? Edit- Here we go: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/women/table/default.stm

On the other hand Capello, Beckenbauer, Cruyff, Sacchi, Dalglish, Deschamps and others all went straight into the top. There's loads more who've been pretty much fast tracked straight into the top, you can't say that Guardiola worked his way up, he only did one season in a lower league and that was with Barca reserves, he didn't exactly toil in the lower leagues instead he was fast-tracked into the managers seat. I think Yorkie's right that things are changing a bit, take a look at recent appointments at big clubs, Juve, Milan, Barca, Bordeaux all appointed ex stars/young managers. I'd probably say its more of a mix, some start at the top some work their way up. The ones who worked they way up seemed to do it because they had to i.e. they weren't big names as players. I wouldn't say either way was better and I'm sure the likes of Capello would agree.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12010_5700917,00.html

Yeah, right. Take your mouth off Owen's cock and your fingers out of Carroll's areshole and perhaps you'll get a better sense of my opinions. Just when we all thought your posts couldn't get any worse. The way you go on man, you'd think you were an ex-pro, current manager as well being head of the british army. What's with the hard man act? Trying to compensate for something in your life?

Will it be on iplayer later?

Might be one of the betting sites?

I love it how all the build up was about the famous flair of Brazil, despite the fact that the current Brazilian team probably has less flair than England.

Owen was a joke. And of course he's better than Beckford, even if he is overrated, you can't even bring yourself to admit this this though. I didn't even bring up Carroll in the first place. You said: "Our top scoring striker has 4 league goals man." And I explained why this isn't a very good argument. Who else were you alluding to? Bent has scored more goals then Rooney this season but I can't see Ferguson wanting to swap them. Football is a lot more complicated than comparing scoring records. Oh no I've mentioned some more names when comparing players. Rooney another one of my players I bang on about... It's all a bit rich from someone who slags of Owen at every single oppurtunity and bangs on about Beckford as if he's the second coming. No doubt you've missed the irony though.