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now lets not go overboard

The crowd at Forest have turned on Davies apparently, according to a Forest fan who I work with! Why? The way they play sometimes, it's more interesting to look away from the pitch. Aye, thats what he said but he also said that they turned on him after they lost that long winning run and they went batshit because they only beat Sheffield Wednesday 2-1 at home. Bonkers, the lot of them! Aren't they like ridiculously overachieving this season? Yeah, this fella at work, cant understand the flack Davies is getting, he was hoping for mid table at best from them this season, so to be sitting in 3rd and they are going mental is rediculous. so they're 3rd in the table fighting for automatic promotion are doing far better than could have realisticly been predicted before the season and they're giving davies grief and people call us arrogant

Why shouldn't he go into town after a game? Why should they or anybody else be unable to go out in town? fair question Doesn't look very professional. Nothing against him going out drinking, but to go out with the fans again - do you really want that? if he wants to go out where the fans are thats his perogative imo, I ain't going to judge him on that when theres plenty of other things to judge him on, problem is though if he did there would be one moron somewhere whos had too many that may go too far.

Why shouldn't he go into town after a game? Why should they or anybody else be unable to go out in town? fair question

The current chairman seems critical of the previous board decision to keep an inflated wage bill, but that's probably one of the reasons they made it back at first attempt. Is 20m losses an acceptable price for promotion? (I think so if you can stabilize the club in the PL the following years) considering where brum are now it seems like a short term loss for long term gain. Bit surprised at the size of the loss though one thing gold and sullivan now at west ham always claimed to be good at is keeping a club in the black and its not like brum havent gone down then back up before.

a walking injury these days, probably be knackered in a week

Spot on. Dekka's a reet cunt though. no arguement there, ashleys situation would be much better if he had someone half decent at pr in that role rather than llambias

defoe needs a big man to play off if you ask me

Thats the thing though isnt it? We were running up substantial year on year losses and had run out of ways to generate money. If nothing had changed (ie a new owner or if Fred had got outside investment) then we could well be where Portsmouth are now You are missing the crucial point, we had the potential to get back in the black, if we achieved success on the pitch, there was room for revenue expansion. For Pompey there was never a chance in hell of them being able to get into any kind of profitable state, even if they went on to champions league qulaification, they just didn't have the fan base, or structure in place to sustain it. I'm not saying we were anywhere near that responsible but our situation is or was the same as pompey's. and there is the crux of the matter. to achieve success on the pitch it would mean going further into the red from the position we were already in.........you can't go on borrowing indefinitly and some say we had nothing left to borrow against. wasnt freddie planning to borrow 300m for stadium expansion and other developments before ashley came and took the rug from under him?

I think he'll be off come the summer but i'd rather we kept him. Great attitude, technically very good, good passer, i want him to be a squad player next season. Thing is, he said he'll be off if he's still not getting games and i think Harry will let him go (although Harry does rate him). Think we'll sell for around 4m but my feeling is he's Fulham bound. how harry prefers jenas to ohara i don't know, if i had a choice id pick ohara

Rooney has to go, Heskey ain't great but seems to work really well in the Capello system, Defoe and either Bent to stretch teams later on or Cole if he can regain his form from last year. no crouch? I ain't english but surely he has to go 20 goals in what 37 games, thats mighty impressive and while he does turn a team into a long ball side almost immediatly hes not a bad option to have on the bench

What will he do, just write himself a cheque when he fancies the money back? Considering the famous club insider (who everybody is now taking his word as gospel) said when mentioning the 20m that it was an interest free loan. Loan implies he'll be getting it back one way or another. No it doesnt Loan implies that the club owes him the money. Whether or not they ever do is something completely different Have to disagree with you there mate. If he has no intention of getting it back why call it a loan. If you don't think loan means paying it back, try getting the same deal from your local branch of Halifax. calling it a loan is a get around for club owners, roman ambramovich's cash injections were loans too until he turned them into more shares for himself

Why would you believe him if he did? He admits he "intentionally misleads the press, public and the fans of Newcastle United". Also, most of what appears in the papers is leaked from the very top, you can tell because it all has the same absolutist whiff of desparation about it.... March - “Just print that we paid £250 Million for the club” December - “Without Mike's input, the club would be broke. Simple as that." February - “Newcastle United couldn’t survive at the moment without Mike’s money, it’s as simple as that." Agreed, he could spout as many figures as he fancied, but there is no way Ashley doing another in depth interview would sway anyones view of him. It's all about his actions now. /not sure I could stand the bloodbath on the forum if he did it either tbf. This is what I've said about him for over a year. I could forgive the Keegan saga, the Kinnear joke, Llambias's failings, the sale of players that could have assured survival, the purchase of players that couldn't (without consulting the manager), banning negative reporters, the stadium name change, the alienation of swathes of our support and even relegation, if he showed any sign whatsoever of learning anything and doing something constructive to rectify it in his actions rather than his words. Can't see it happening. All he does is put the club on the market and take it off again. ...and not walk away, and invest in the squad and the manager enough to see us not disintergrate but see us top of the table and likely to bounce back at the first time of asking. Concede something man HF. Look, I get your point and know you'll not be easily won over, but I hope for the clubs sake (if he can't find a Geordie Abramovic to sell to sharpish), he does manage win us all over at some stage soon. hes never going to win a popularity contest however for me personally we've put up with despised chairmen before we will again no doubt life goes on im not going to lose sleep over mike ashley or waste hatred on him when there are better things to do

yup keanes lazarus like revival has put best on the bench

ill be seeing that in my nightmares.............

just get rid of this active inactive crap, leads to too many mistakes. if offside is scrapped then rafa would be right barca would be ringing fat sam for tactical advice

In a nutshell, the buyer would pay Ashley £80m as a settlement on the £110m+ loans outstanding (£30m loss)...and £1 for the club (£134m loss). Again, i don't buy it, but if it is the case, it's a horrible indictment of his purchase and his running of the club. He's every bit as much to blame as anyone that preceded him at the helm, probably moreso. He increased the wage bill at the club by over 10% in his first year, paid out large redundancy packages to two managers in his first 18 months and got us relegated within two years. putting it like that is like saying that as shearer was manager when we got relegated then it is solely his fault. Don't be silly. I don't think I said anyone has been solely to blame for anything. Shearer was in charge for 8 games. He took us from being 2 points from safety to a finish 1 point from safety (closer to survival). We'd taken 6 points from the last eight games before he came in and he won 5 points from the last 8 games (only slightly worse). He spent nothing. He didin't have the time or the power to make the situation any worse. Completely different to spending 18 months following the policy of your predecessor (badly), then blaming your predecessor and his policy for all the ills that have befallen the club. are you telling me that "He increased the wage bill at the club by over 10% in his first year, paid out large redundancy packages to two managers in his first 18 months and got us relegated within two years." wasn't meant to intimate that you held him responsible ? did he spend 18months following the policy of fred. seems more like one summer to me. I said it above..."He's every bit as much to blame as anyone that preceded " It was about 15 months after buying the club he gave Coloccini his current contract used as a prime example of the crippling wage bill. i'd like to actually know how much coloccini's on. i've heard everywhere from £45,000 to £80,000. like yourself i blame him in part, my apologies as i thought you were, like many, attempting to make out it was all his fault. At what point does the state of the club’s finances become Ashley’s fault then? When does he become responsible for what’s happening at the club? The figures are a bit worrying. A weekly loss of £500k works out at annual loss of £26m, and that’s after receiving a £12m parachute payment and making a net transfer profit of at least £10m. That means that if we go up the extra £35m in TV money won’t even cover the losses the club are incurring under the current set up. Where is the money for team strengthening going to come from, could it be a case of having to cut the wage bill further? I dunno, but... 1) The "£500,000 a week" isn't some gospel figure. It was an unnamed "source" in a half-baked story in a crap newspaper. If it refers to anything, it's probably to the £20 million Ashley was announced as putting in after no one came up with the money to buy the club. 2) If we go up, and the extra TV money etc then covers costs, then Ashley's £20 million next year might go to funding playing purchases rather than making up the shortfall. 3) Won't some of our higher earners drop off the wage bill anyway after this season? Butt, for example. 4) Isn't there money soon to come in from a new shirt sponsorship deal? on 3, correct butts contract is up so 50k plus free right there. 4 yes the new deals start next season

freddie shephard was a parasite on this club who payed himself and his family rather large wages and dividends undermined the work of the best manager we've had (imo) by buying and selling behind his back appointed graham fucking souness as his replacement and suddenly went way overboard on spending when he never gave half that amount of cash to someone who would have spent it right like sir bob rather than the tit he did give the cash to and squandered. And thats before i even get started on his nack of embaressing the club off the field. After the brothel incident he shouldnt have been allowed in the same country as st james park not fucking running the club.

hows it bollocks. yes they had a very healthy wages/turnover ratio. and they spent the leftover on over the top pay and dividends for themselves. and why gloss over the last few years of his tenure ? Christ What will take for you to grasp what I'm saying. As a commercial business we were far more succesful than we are now, our ability to generate money, and the commercial aspects of the club put us in the big league. back in early 00's we got into champions league and consquent riches that brought. Thus our revenue was higher that was down to sir bob not freddie

he'll have from the end of the season to the world cup which is long enough to get an idea of the teams strengths and weaknesses, id imagine hed have some training camp to look at eligible players before the wc id think

in fairness the last thing smith needs is refs to help him, normally its him against the refs with his card record

not so surprising when you consider they're stadium holds over 69k and its average is near full.

id fancy them to get out of that one, i don't rate portugal ronaldo apart they ain't got much

that would make them a lot more dangerous in the wc, whos in their group again?