Wallsendmag

What I suspected is actually what we are and that is, take JonJo Shelvey out of that side and we are a bang average Championship team. If he's off his game or missing altogether we literally have nothing at all in midfield and going forward. 4 home defeats already in a God awful league tells it's own story. 2 positives tonight. Firstly Karl Darlow, absolutely brilliant yet again. Our mom by some distance, and secondly Ashley knows he needs to spend if we're going to go back up at the first time of asking. We've sold a lot of players for big money and brought in some replacements who were far cheaper and now he needs to invest some more of that profit to make sure we get where we need to be.

Could possibly move Ritchie inside, next to Hayden and have Atsu and Gouffran as the wingers.

He relegated Charlton didn't he?

He's our best player, so no. He's not (I wouldn't want him in the back 4 , out wide or up front and there are question marks over wether he'll be our fulcrum if we get promoted) but he is important to us...on the other hand this could be the making of Hayden. I wouldn't play Dwight Gayle in goal but that doesn't mean he's not a very good centre forward.

Clearly they want to make an example of him despite an apparent lack of proof and very conflicting evidence. Seemingly 3 different players heard him say 3 different things yet not one of them saw fit to challenge him about this at the time. It just doesn't sit right with me.

In place of Shelvey? Really? Shelvey has been spraying 50 and 60 yard balls around to feet all season and from what I can remember of Tiote he struggles to complete a 5 yard pass.

Dead giveaway tbh.

That's what is being said yes but I think we're waiting to get it in writing off the FA first before Shelvey and the Club decide what to do next. Just read elsewhere he could play against Sheff Wed anyway and we can inform the FA next week that we don't want to appeal if we decide against it. Think Sheff Wed will be our toughest game out of the next half dozen so I'd rather he was available and missed Rotherham at home instead.

Word has it that we'll appeal and that we have 7 days to lodge it. Assuming this to be the case does this mean he'd be available for Boxing Day?

Chronicle and Mirror running with the cous cous nonce story now.

On the plus side it gives him a rest over the busy festive period and means he'll be fresh as a daisy for the Brighton match.

Watched you v Arsenal last week and thought you played really well. The problem yesterday is you went out last night all guns blazing, didn't score and ran out of steam in the 2nd half. You could see it coming after about 20 minutes. You'll finish 8th-12th this season which is about right for Everton.

100% this. Wanting to sell him on the back of this is way OTT. The Wolves player has been winding him up over his alopecia and he's said something he shouldn't have in the spur of the moment. Doesn't necessarily make him a full blown racist. The bigger problem is that he seems to have become a bit of a target for opposition players in recent weeks and he needs to learn how to deal with that better.

Oh bore off man go and support a little placid plastic club if you can't be proud and passionate following the best supported club in the country Just ignore him. He's a non entity trying to be controversial.

So was his misdemeanour a reaction to abuse he received about his alopecia then?

What a load of cliché filled rubbish from the boards biggest nerd. I've got no interest in anything you have to say on any subject, never had, never will, so in future please refrain from entering into any discussion with me and I'll do likewise.

Looking at it now it would take a ridiculous set of circumstances to stop us finishing outside the top 2. 9.5/10

Would have agreed with that up until a couple of weeks but he's been probably our best performer in the past 3 games so I'd be reluctant to move him now he's finally found his feet playing behind Gayle. In saying that the thought of him, Mitrovic and Gayle all starting sounds good as well, especially at home where we should be going at our opponents right from the first whistle like we did v Birmingham.

We should be looking at players who can improve us once we're in the PL if we go into the market in January. Financially we're in a healthy position and I would have thought we'd be a more attractive proposition for potential signings than a current bottom 8 PL club with the exception of maybe Leicester. Assuming Shelvey gets a ban and Diame is away at the ACON it's clear where we need to be looking at strengthening.

The irony of gleefully talking about a club you have nothing to do with losing because they're a 'bitter lot' is canny f***ing tragic like. You and Shintonsghost are comfortably the most indiscriminately and childishly bitter football fans I've ever encountered, the irony being lost on you isn't at all surprising. Spoken like a true modern day football fan. No wonder stadiums are sterile and atmosphere's are non existent with ars*holes like you latching onto the sport. The one thing that used to make football great, and different form every other sport, was the tribalism and banter between rival sets of supporters. Sadly that's all but died out because plebs like you have jumped aboard and want us all to walk to matches holding hands with the opposition fans before wishing them all the best and going their separate ways through the turnstiles. I don't like Everton. I didn't like them before they rolled over for sunderland last season. I've had more chew on at Goodison than any other ground I can think of. That's nowt to do with you so don't get involved you daft little drip. Seriously, you'd be better off following netball or something more suited to your personality.

Nowt better than seeing the Scouse Mackems lose like that in the final minutes! What a whinging, bitter lot they are.

Give Moyes his dues mind. He's doing a pretty good job with what he's got to work with. He'll keep them up purely on the basis that they'll beat most the teams around them at home.

Siem De Jong scores for PSV at Ajax 1-1.

So will 50,000 others. Should make for a good atmosphere!

Harsh, but fair.