Froggy

Being man marked by Jones, who's shit apparently, despite Ozil not touching the ball yet.

Good call Taylor.

Coming back from injury atm. Looked much better with him in the side.

Ugh.

It was still a prestigious award before it merged in 2010. Would an Argentinian manager or player vote for Ronaldo over Messi anyway?

So should the other 10 players then I guess. Miller, Suarez and van Persie are all far better footballers than Mandzukic. It's an award based on the year people have had though. He won the treble with an impressive goals to games ratio. Suarez, while brilliant, didnt even play in Europe and was was banned for ten games for biting somebody. It's just an example, but I believe he should be in there. Think there's six Bayern players on the list as it is. It's difficult for defenders to get on the list or the other ten kay well have been there. It's based on footballing ability as well. To a degree. Don't forget Michael Owen won this over the likes of Zidane, Totti and Shevchenko.

I dunno I that is highly debatable. Suarez's ban and van Persies dry patch in the second half of last season throw that up in the air. I agree with your point that they're better players, but had the better year? I dunno. Agree to disagree I guess.

So should the other 10 players then I guess. Miller, Suarez and van Persie are all far better footballers than Mandzukic. It's an award based on the year people have had though. He won the treble with an impressive goals to games ratio. Suarez, while brilliant, didnt even play in Europe and was was banned for ten games for biting somebody. It's just an example, but I believe he should be in there. Think there's six Bayern players on the list as it is. It's difficult for defenders to get on the list or the other ten may well have been there.

Not a fan Tooj? I think he's a really good player, and given his contribution to a treble winning side, he should be nominated. If Muller, Suarez and van Persie received nominations then so should he.

Do people not watch the best team in the world? Ribery has got to be before Ibrahimovic. Ibra hasn't even scored the most in his god damn team, spectacular goals shouldn't win awards. I think CRonaldo or Ribery will get it based on the fact that Messi has been injured a bit. I only included Messi since this is his thread. I'd have Ribery ahead of him this season, but behind Ibra and Ronaldo still. I'm also fairly certain that Ibra has scored the most for PSG this season. He scored another hat trick yesterday and has quite a few in Europe so far. I think the Ballon d'Or will go to Ribery since it's heavily influenced by honours. The biggest surprise for me with that award is that Mandzukic didn't even receive a nomination despite being superb for Bayern. Not sure what went on there.

I had such a shit week. Used my wildcard.

I might have picked you up wrong but I thought you meant Ronaldo will not be considered better until he wins the CL while doing something in the final, which he already done 5 years ago. I'd fancy Madrid to go further than Barca this year, although I can't look past Bayern anyway.

win the CL with him actually doing something meaningful in the final probably What year were you born? 'Cause unless you're 4 years old you missed something major in 2008.

I just don't really like the way people think Messi is much better, when he clearly isn't. It's fantastic being able to see both of them in their prime though.

Aye it is important but I couldn't pass Federer at 9/4. Nadal has never beaten Federer on an indoor hard court. I really hope that record doesn't go, and not just because of the bet.

We discussed the idea of a separate betting thread in chat didn't we? I doubt there'd be enough to go in it.

Man Utd Swansea Federer Ambitious treble attempt. 14/1. $20.

Right now, Ronaldo >>>> Ibrahimovic >>>>> Messi.

What are the expectations of the Man U fan this season? Will you be content with a 4th place finish? Cos I can't see you winning the league. 4th place or thereabouts is where you'll finish and definitely not top 2 imo. I said at the beginning of the season we'd finish third and I still think that'll be the case. However I do think we're capable of challenging still. Arsenal are a fair bit ahead but I'm expecting them to falter. I know we're sitting in 8th position but we're only three points off Chelsea in second. Basically I'm expecting third and would accept fourth. If we're not going to be the ones to win the league I would prefer to see Arsenal to win it. Wenger deserves it. Goes without saying I'd be extremely pissed off if Chelsea or City won it. We're still not playing overly well but have put a decent run together. It's a huge game on Sunday.

Interested in how many people are expecting Arsenal to beat us. We're in big trouble if we lose that.

Should be 2-0 if I've grasped the scoring properly.

Remember these? http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Collectible-Football-Pencil-Toppers-x-4-/00/s/NDgwWDY0MA==/z/QzAAAMXQ8OdRKe6~/$(KGrHqJ,!i4FD-MYzPVOBRKe6+QGo!~~60_35.JPG

GW11 Aston Villa 1-1 Cardiff Chelsea 3-0 West Brom Crystal Palace 0-1 Everton Liverpool 3-1 Fulham Southampton 2-0 Hull Norwich 2-1 West Ham Tottenham 3-1 Newcastle Sunderland 1-3 Man City Man Utd 2-1 Arsenal Swansea 2-1 Stoke Going to try underlining the header this week.

I really dislike Fellaini. Such a waste of money.

I'm on Foreteller @35.