Honestly, what a an absolute load of Daily Mail sanctimonious s****. Is it right? No of course not. Should we have all evolved where we can sit back like good citizens and 'let the authorities deal with in the appropriate way?' Probably. But that's not the way it is and those Liverpool fans who took their chances in the home end, they f***ing knew it's the way it is as well. if I sat in the Kop or in the Stretford End or with mackems in their own end, then I know how this works and would behave appropriately. Gan on like arseholes? Sorry but I hope every one of them got a clip.
I'm not one bit pro violence in any shape or form. Having said that, if I'm sat in my club's home stadium with my bairns and a jumped up away fan who thinks he's clever getting into our home end starts trouble or unnecessary bollocks, you better bet I'm standing my ground and defending my own. I wouldn't wait for a f***ing steward.
This. Was there with my 11 year old son in the East Stand and he'd never seen anything like that at a match before, felt a bit uncomfortable with him there to be quite honest......luckily we weren't right next to it.
My Grandad who spent 30 years in the Army including WW2 always taught me 'to respect your hosts, wherever you are in the World' and it's something I've always lived by. Behave like that, and accept the consequences in my opinion, it hasn't even got anything to do with football. More pompous twaddle from HTT, I can only assume he wasn't actually there.
So you would be happy to fill someone in at the match, even with your 11 year old next to you? Even though you said watching others do it was uncomfortable? Or are only accepting it when other people do it?
I just don't get this giving people a kicking thing, no matter what. They should be hoyed out if they play up but people don't deserves having their head kicked in for being a bit of an idiot and celebrating in the home end.
And people wonder why football fans are treated like s*** by the police.
What are you talking about, I haven't mentioned 'filling anyone in' at all?
It was a question because you said it was uncomfortable at first but then went on to condone the Liverpool fans getting filled in when you said they should accept the consequences.
So I was a bit confused, and wondering if you meant you were happy to condone it when other people were giving it out or if you would do the same.
Where did I 'condone them getting filled in' exactly?
"Behave like that, and accept the consequences in my opinion"
Where did I mention anyone getting 'filled in'?
You were responding to, and agreeing with, a post about not waiting for stewards / officials / police etc. and dealing with it yourself in the context of a load of Liverpool fans getting a smack.
He mentioned standing his ground, but that was it, you've filled in the blanks yourself.
I'll say it again, act like that in a provocative manner and you should accept the consequences......whether that is you getting chucked out of the ground, arrested, or in verbal/physical confrontations with other fans.
Fair enough until the last point, I just don't see how that fits with you being uncomfortable with it in front of your kids but then it also being totally acceptable to you.
I found it acceptable when they were chucked out of the ground, which is one of the consequences I was talking about. Did you not feel the same?
That's fine. You may not have intended to insinuate what you have. The only bit I can't get my head around is this view (not necessarily from you) from many that it is acceptable for people to get their heads kicked in if they have acted like a bit of dick. Obviously if a Liverpool fan starts a fight and someone is defending themselves that is slightly different but there seems to be a relatively widespread view that any Liverpool fans that celebrated a goal in the home end were fair game for a good kicking. They should be removed etc. but doesn't make violence acceptable.
Celebrating a goal is one thing. Goading, gesturing, giving it the two fingers, chucking drink, and any other kind of physical intimidation would only heighten emotions and provoke others to do the same. And then you could have hell on. This isn't the Tour De France for fuck's sake. It's football. Purely a game of emotions. And if people are going to disrespect others, especially their hosts, then they only have themselves to blame if said hosts retaliate.
It's like condoning the behavior of English fans (or any other for that matter) away at international tournaments if they decided to get drunk and smash places around them. Just a bit of banter mate, no one deserves their heads kicked in for destroying their hosts' livelihoods.
They should have been hoyed out and charged by the police in that case. The normal rules of society work everywhere else, they don’t somehow cease to be in effect at any other sport, why treat football differently?
It’s tempting to say the club fucked up (they did) but grown adults should be able to watch a sport without knocking seven bells out of each other.
