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Danny Drinkwater to Chelsea, man.

Royal Mail.

They're just making up for all the times that let Alan Shearer used his bionic elbow on the opposition, Daddy-o.

Love the FA.

Sounds like something dirty one may find in a Japanese porn movie, so I hear.

Easy. Store credit.

Tomi Ameobi lit up the Icelandic leagues, which is on similar level to the Dutch top flight, the Errordivision or whatever it's called. Something Dutch.

He's not going to change, so why wish for us to be relegated to force his hand. May as well stay in the Premier League, he'll not be owner forever, so why put the club's future in jeopardy for that. Honestly man, I can't comprehend at all why people are wanting Newcastle to be relegated, even with what people have said. It's like you're trying to describe colours to the colour blind. It doesn't compute. I feel sorry for the people who are so battered that they feel like that's the only option remaining. and this time I am out. As I can't see any end to this conversation, you can't understand how I see it, and I can't understand how you see it. We're not going to convince each other otherwise.

Can we do better? Yes, of course we can, as can every team in the Premier League. It's not that I can't grasp that thought, it's that I'd rather see Ashley's reign out while we're a Premier League club than try and force his hand by seeing the club fall down the leagues.

Wow I bet you've been sat there for an hour waiting to post that. Well done. I hope you enjoy the wank over it later on.

Jesus... Hanz and Yorkie can't let s*** go like. Hopefully this clears it up for you lot: Option 1: Want Newcastle to never win again so they're relegated, so the club is less profitable to Mike Ashley, so he'll have a change of heart and sell the club at a reasonable asking price. Happy for Newcastle to be in the lower leagues of English football for this to happen. Happy for Newcastle to have less income, less exposure, less quality of players, and still be in the lower leagues when some new owner takeovers. Oblivious to the idea that for every year we're out of the Premier League is year we 'fall behind' clubs in terms of money and pulling power. Even clubs that were promoted and relegated will stand to be better than us if we remain in the lower leagues due to parachute payments and the like. So when a new Owner does take over it'll take endless amounts of investment to bring us back up to where we can even start to compete to be promoted to the Premiership again. This thought based on fickle whim that if a manager walks they want Newcastle to plummet. Happy for Newcastle to be the next Portsmouth, QPR, Blackburn, Coventry, Fulham, Shef Wed, Shef United, Leeds, Blackpool, etc. in return for Mike Ashley gone from Newcastle United. Option 2: Want Newcastle to do as well as it can despite Mike Ashley being in charge. Would prefer it to remain in the Premier League and for someone to come along and buy Newcastle in the future and take ownership of a club in Premiership. Are we a midtable club at best? Absolutely. Would we like to be more? Absolutely. Will the club survive with Mike Ashley as owner and in the Premier League? Absolutely. Will the club survive with Mike Ashley as owner and in the lower leagues? Very questionable. Comparing the two I fail to see how you wouldn't want Newcastle United to remain in the Premiership regardless of Mike Ashley as owner, as the risk is far less. I can't, as a Newcastle United fan, for a moment put the club's existence in jeopardy in hopes its owner would leave. What if nobody wanted to buy us when we're lounged in the lower leagues for many years, our training ground and stadium sold. Phoenix Club time? Why not go and form or support one now, if that's how you think. Who is going to buy Newcastle United in such a distressed state? A wealth rich business person or another chancer hoping to get Newcastle promoted to then sell us on to someone else? Ask yourself which is more likely. Think of the people who are out there buying football clubs and ask yourself if you want a Venky group, or the mess at Cardiff and Birmingham. Or perhaps the drama of Leeds. Or is it more likely that if we're in the Premiership someone more serious will buy us. I just get the impression that there are so many people feeling embattled that they believe that there's something better out there, that Mike Ashley is the absolute WORSE owner we could ever have. It's sad. Has he quashed all hope and belief within the fanbase? It sure seems like it, if people are will to wish for their own team to be relegated due to a manager leaving. What if Rafa left because another club offered him more money? Would that trigger you too? This place is horrid at times for it's Echo Chamber like environment where you enable and promote the same line of thinking amongst each other over and over again that it's hard to think any other way. You are all so wound up in your hatred for Mike Ashley that you've forgotten you're Newcastle United fans first. You're wrapped up in the financials and the hypothetical of asking prices and ownership that you'd gamble Newcastle United's future as a club on change of owner. You're stuck in this cycle of belief where all you can think about is how Mike Ashley is f***ing over Newcastle United and all your thoughts and opinions are based on that. Nobody here is being advocate for Mike Ashley, so please don't think that for a moment. I simply find it absurd that a fan would wish Newcastle to never win again simply because a manager left the club. Even more absurd that they'll happily exchange Newcastle United's Premier League status and probably survival as a football club in turn for Mike Ashley to pack up and leave. There's no guarantee he'd leave, so that's one hell of a gamble and bluff (hence poker reference). You question my logic, yet there are people in here advocating club suicide to rid itself of Mike Ashley. You might not like what I'm saying, but don't pretend for a moment that it isn't logical or sensible. The early examples of wishing a plane to crash because you don't like the person sitting next to you still stands, this is pretty much what you're wanting. You don't like Mike Ashley, so you'd want Newcastle to crash and burn, even though there are people around you who want to see Newcastle continue, who want to support, who want to be the best we can be in the Premiership and perhaps one day even surpass that (the plane landing). I'm sure there will be wise quips and replies, as you'll still want to believe that never winning a game again and the club being relegated is the better option in the long term. None of you have convinced me that's the way to think, for what it's worth and you won't. Newcastle > Mike Ashley.

and I'm out. You must all be amazing poker players, that's all I'm saying.

We don't have a future while Mike Ashley is here. More chance of a future in the Premier League than rolling around in Championship or below with a 52,000 seat stadium hanging around our neck. Regardless of well supported we've been in the Championship the one season we've stayed there each time there comes a point where the attendance figures would drop.

What the hell are you on about? This period now with Rafa is Mike Ashley's last chance or else what is the point of NUFC? If Rafa walks and some idiot akin to Pardew or Kinnear is appointed then it is a perfectly reasonable thing to want the club to nose dive to aid in the processes of finding a new buyer and getting rid of Mike Ashley. People want a club they can be proud of and identify with, for many we have that now to a degree only due to Rafa Benitez, for many we still don't after years of existing for the sole purpose of advertising Sports Direct to a global audience. The only way to get rid of him will be to take that away and make his ownership not worthwhile and the ridiculous asking price to drop. Short term pain for the long term benefit of NUFC, even if that takes 5 years or so. It's petulant and 'precious' as Yorkie might want to call it. And sadly that's the place some are in because of Mike Ashley, and that's the real issue here. Rather than hope success despite of Ashley, they'd be happy for Newcastle to be relegated to teach Ashley a lesson of some sort. Madness. It's not to teach him a lesson, it's to drive him out of the club. But it would take a lot more than just a relegation, it would need sustained damage to the point where it is not worth him owning the club (free advertising for Sports Direct) and he lowers his asking price to a realistic price. And that's madness; risking the club's future in hopes he'd leave. If I've ignored all logic, it's probably because it's bad logic. Most of Yorkie's comments are throwaway, however. I'll agree with that.

What the hell are you on about? This period now with Rafa is Mike Ashley's last chance or else what is the point of NUFC? If Rafa walks and some idiot akin to Pardew or Kinnear is appointed then it is a perfectly reasonable thing to want the club to nose dive to aid in the processes of finding a new buyer and getting rid of Mike Ashley. People want a club they can be proud of and identify with, for many we have that now to a degree only due to Rafa Benitez, for many we still don't after years of existing for the sole purpose of advertising Sports Direct to a global audience. The only way to get rid of him will be to take that away and make his ownership not worthwhile and the ridiculous asking price to drop. Short term pain for the long term benefit of NUFC, even if that takes 5 years or so. It's petulant and 'precious' as Yorkie might want to call it. And sadly that's the place some are in because of Mike Ashley, and that's the real issue here. Rather than hope success despite of Ashley, they'd be happy for Newcastle to be relegated to teach Ashley a lesson of some sort. Madness.

While I'm at it, I'd also want the plane I'm on to crash if I was sat next to someone I didn't like. You know, sod the rest of the passengers and how they might feel somewhat attached to their will to live, and hope of arriving safely at the Airport. No, I don't like the bellend to me, so I'm going to sit here and hope that this fucker crashes. I hope you can see how absurd and childish this is.

Well when you put it like that, no. I'd want the stadium to burn, obviously. Burn it right down. ALL OF IT.

I wouldn't hold anything against him either, probably snap him in half.

Aye, let's just relegate ourselves into liquidation. That'll show the fucker. Of course, I write that in jest as it should be taken, as it's equally absurd as wanting the club to be relegated so Mike Ashley can't make money from it. Come on.

You'll have to explain that one to me. I can't fathom wishing the club to be relegated again to spite Ashley, or in hopes he'll sell it. That's just bonkers.

There's a lack of quality defenders in general. Similar with GK's. Premier League is shite compared to what it used to be. I've been fighting with myself for a while over this opinion, sometimes I feel like I'm letting nostalgia rule my mind, but then I see Jonny Evans being linked in a £26m deal. Chris Woods moving for £15m. Sure money has changed, without a doubt, but where once oh fuck, I don't know. Stupid football.

Either transfer fees have went daft, or the Premier League has dropped to such lows that Jonny Evans is now considered one of the key defenders available.

We still bothering with this?!

I hope we're all ready to see him named player of the Season for Ajax. The Dutch league is odd. Luuke de Jong scores goals for fun over there.