Wolfcastle

Leeds had to be bigger than Chelsea until the late 90s. Chelsea were the epitome of a nothing club until then. Only guessing but I'd say by every parameter Leeds would have been ahead - trophies, Europe, all time table, attendances, away support, vibe

btw that all-time table, pre Ashley we were probably 6th or 7th

They spent almost all the 80s outside the top division and until just now been out of it since 2004. So depends on when the individual started watching football. Anybody who started in the early 80s will see their top flight stay 90-04 as an oasis, anybody that started watching in the early 00's will see them in the top flight as an anomoly. Just happens with me, my first full season was the start of a hot spell - promotion, top 4, title and probably briefly the best atmosphere in the country at the time, so I always thought of them as bigger than they probably are. Their attendances over the years aren't too hot either and Elland Road, certainly pre cantaliver stand was a surprsingly small looking stadium that perhaps told a story.

And they're okay with the FFP police? Seems as though even if they're within the rules this amount of wastage should be punished on the grounds of decency alone

Paid good money to sack Potter and bring Lampard in. Classic Todd.

Should have seen him in the 80s

Leicester in 1992 anniversary. Speaking of orgasmic releases of tension.

Made our game trickier no doubt. May not pan out that way but the environment of new manager, first home game, must win is a worse scenario than before.

Had a look earlier and was pleasantly surprised to see Forest had Southampton at home next

Was our lot under Ashley forever in his ideal world. So we know from experience.

Suspect there's going to be at least some disappointment there, if not 100% disappointment I fear

Better to die on your feet than live on your knees. A life better lived than Everton's existing.

No use to man or beast that. Not good for either not bad for either, not good for their rivals, not bad for their rivals and nobody's any the wiser about who is going down and were going to have to help Everton out.

They're both playing less shit so the game has gotten worse

Logically we'll make it but you cant expect logic to apply to football just like that

If it wasn't for Leeds I'd begin to believe

Incredible run of other results going for them, even getting the draws when two of the others played. Finishing 6th, losing the play-offs and going up because Swindon got demoted for financial irregularities, relegated teams being cut from three to two 1990 levels of fortune. Saying that though they still got relegated.

re the Manchester United takeover oil money, 'sportswashing' and human rights violations fine provided it benefits them. "rather the Qataris get it tbh as they'll see it as some sort of competition against City's owners. more they chuck at chasing after them less likely the Saudi's will get near the league" On Boro. Once the Legends stopped (used to be on at work regularly) any rivallry seemed to. Like has been said above, if they were in a different regional TV area and there had been no Century FM - they're Hull.

Might not help but if they stopped playing the shittest version ever recorded every week it might remind people its a passionate anthem it would be an improvement in itself. Some people will think that's what it is. A rhyhtmless tuneless eastern-european national anthem dirge

Klopp saying what the fourth official said was "unacceptable" - here was me commending the professionalism of the fourth official for not clotheslining the odious c*nt for getting his face like that.

Andy Marshall at Norwich. Its not just that the only good game I've seen him have was against us, but every other time I've seen he's been shit and just looks like he'd give the defence kittens he's that unimposing. Gonna have to do it again cos I've got them down if they don't beat us.

Only thing that's worse than that is coming from 3-0 down there to make it 3-3 in the last minute and sensing revenge for being denied late on there the previous season, only to lose in stoppage time. Like us in 1997

Not an easy task and I'd have been okay with a draw but beat Arsenal and that'll do us.

what a pisser, we were there then