Abacus

He's a C now. Never unhappy to see him in the squad or line up. Two years ago it's a B, probably one of the most underrated defenders in the league then and my word he can see things most can't and pass the ball with flair and accuracy. I can't think of any player who has earnt his transfer fee so easily. Also, just love those thunderbastard goals he occasionally rocked up with when the rest of the team were dreaming and he decided to win the game on his own.

Starting to think Sir Jim is the hero we've all needed.

Yeah, Gravenberch in particular is superb. I think if you stop him, it's as important as stopping Salah.

0-4 Liverpool to also collectively admit post match that we probably deserve the title this year and that the ref was, if anything, massively biased in their favour.

Who scored him an E?

Fit and on form, which is how I'm going to rate him, Botman is a B. Without that injury and given time to develop, he may well just be pushing at the edge of an A in a year or two. Though ultimately his pace may hold him back from that, he's just so calm and commanding and able to spot threats that in the right CB pairing he could be in that conversation, but not yet.

Southampton are a mess.

Yeah, I'm between an A and a B - just wondered how others and those from other teams would see him. Anyway, sorry, that's for a different day.

Not to mess up the debate, but Tonali is going to be an interesting one.

He's a D, which feels harsh for one of my favourite players when he first came in. He's a back up now, and that's a backup for a player who has a lot still to develop on. I do think with a better RW, Tino can forge a decent partnership and so become better himself. Trippier made Almiron into so much of a better player for a spell, and the whole back line as well, but I can't see him as much more than back up now. So, that's the definition of a D in here.

Oof

Pretty dull game that, no real fireworks. Happy enough with the results all round this weekend, though.

Aye it's a weird one. I personally think he's the better keeper, but with Dubravka extended by another year and Trafford rumoured to be signing, you wonder what the long term plan is. Maybe it's to rotate those two this year and then one of them is off in the summer.

It's still on TNT. Fenerbahce 1 up, 4-0 on aggregate

If anything, I'd have given two yellows, one for the slap the other for simulation. But then VAR couldn't have gotten involved if there wasn't a straight red

Strange red card there - hard to see what happened. Looked like a slap to the chest

Yep, going to be a good second half

I will say, through gritted teeth, that Bruno Fernandez comes out of that quite well.

Nunez so awful

Nunez misses from 7 yards

Liverpool are strange to watch - often look a bit toothless till Salah gets involved.

Good cross and finish - I'll hand over text updates to Big Geordie

2-1 Villa - Watkins

Villa equaliser

Rashford has been ok. Most things from villa are coming through him