Sparks Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Right, anybody who has read my posts over the past couple of weeks will know that I am far from happy with what's going with our goalkeepers. Nobody knows what is going on at the moment. None of the fans, media or even the goalkeepers themselves know who is first choice and that uncertainty creates a problem. Given doesn't know where he stands and Harper doesn't know if he is about to be dropped. The back five are not going to be able to form an understanding if we changing personnel there every few games. Continuity and consistency of selection if one of the most important things when it comes to creating a solid defensive unit. For all Benitez's tinkering, there is one position he doesn't f*** about with and that's his goalkeeper, Reina plays no matter what if he is fit. The same happens with Cech, and Van Der Sar. Allardyce needs to make a decision and stick to it, you can't continue to change or be unsure as to who you are going to put in goal. The reality of the situation is that he may simply not rate Given. I don't buy all this bullshit people have been saying about Harper deserving to be first choice simply because he hasn't done badly so far this season. When Jaaskelainen was out injured or suspended, Allardyce never thought twice about not bringing him back in. I'm utterly amazed and shocked about people even questioning Given's position as number one. To say people have short memories in instance would be the understatement of the century, as they would have to be in some drug induced haze to forgotten what Given has done for the past 7 or 8 seasons. The time has come for Allardyce to pick his first choice keeper, and no more f****** about. Whether it is Harper or Given we can't carry on as it is at the moment where we go into every game guessing who the goalkeeper is going to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Nobody knows what is going on at the moment. None of the fans, media or even the goalkeepers themselves know who is first choice and that uncertainty creates a problem. Given doesn't know where he stands and Harper doesn't know if he is about to be dropped. Well said, sums it up really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Right, anybody who has read my posts over the past couple of weeks will know that I am far from happy with what's going with our goalkeepers. Nobody knows what is going on at the moment. None of the fans, media or even the goalkeepers themselves know who is first choice and that uncertainty creates a problem. Given doesn't know where he stands and Harper doesn't know if he is about to be dropped. The back five are not going to be able to form an understanding if we changing personnel there every few games. Continuity and consistency of selection if one of the most important things when it comes to creating a solid defensive unit. For all Benitez's tinkering, there is one position he doesn't f*** about with and that's his goalkeeper, Reina plays no matter what if he is fit. The same happens with Cech, and Van Der Sar. Allardyce needs to make a decision and stick to it, you can't continue to change or be unsure as to who you are going to put in goal. The reality of the situation is that he may simply not rate Given. I don't buy all this bullshit people have been saying about Harper deserving to be first choice simply because he hasn't done badly so far this season. When Jaaskelainen was out injured or suspended, Allardyce never thought twice about not bringing him back in. I'm utterly amazed and shocked about people even questioning Given's position as number one. To say people have sort memories in instance would be the understatement of the century, as they would have to be in some drug induced haze to forgotten what Given has done for the past 7 or 8 seasons. The time has come for Allardyce to pick his first choice keeper, and no more f****** about. Whether it is Harper or Given we can't carry on as it is at the moment where we go into every game guessing who the goalkeeper is going to be. Harper will play on Sunday, Given v Arse in the cup, Harper in the next league game unless he loses form. It seems pretty straightforward to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 I can understand why he has started Harper, maybe to prove a point. I don't buy this 'harper hasn't done anything wrong' stuff though. Given has proved he is a better keeper over the years and is one of the best in the world. We need him back in asap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliemort Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 I really hope its Given to be honest!Harpers a good solid keeper but Givens a different class!Wouldnt be surprised if Sam gets rid of Given and brings in Jaasskelainen,hope to God hee doesnt!Would be devestated if Given left!Maybe hes just playing Harper against the so called weaker teams?Might bring back Given for the bigger games next week!Surely he cant doubt Givens ability,I would be really worried about Sams judgement if he did! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Given lost his place in the side due to an injury and should be straight back in as number 1 as soon as he's fit. The sooner the better imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 It would be a joke if we got rid of Shay Given, without him we could well be a Championshit club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bluegeordie Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Saprks, I suspect that to make his point about nobody owning their spot, and having to fight for their place, Big Sam will wait for a slip-up from Harps, and then reinstall Shay. From that point on, if the latter shows the kind of consistency and brilliance that imo you rightly attribute to him over numerous years, then the spot will basically be his once again. Oh, and by the way, I take your point about the benefits of consistency in the goalkeeping department, and thought you made it well in regard to Rafa's approach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NUFC4 Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 i have much respect for steve harpers ability and dedication to this club. he's a talented goalie that could start on some premiership teams. however, PUT GIVEN IN NET!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FlapjackJoe Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Harper will play on Sunday, Given v Arse in the cup, Harper in the next league game unless he loses form. It seems pretty straightforward to me Ermmmm, yeah, agree with that (almost). Given just came back from an injury, and played in 2 internationals while Harper didn't. Harper was the obvious choice yesterday. One of them will play in the league against West Ham, and the other in the cup against Arsenal. I just think that Given will be first choice after that, not Harper. Will you all relax, already? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Could harper have saved millers goal last night? from where i was standing at the match it looked like he just had 2 stick a hand out but he didnt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bramble OG Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Get Given back in, i dont think i can handle any more of Harpers 20 minute long goal kicks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Harper will play on Sunday, Given v Arse in the cup, Harper in the next league game unless he loses form. It seems pretty straightforward to me Ermmmm, yeah, agree with that (almost). Given just came back from an injury, and played in 2 internationals while Harper didn't. Harper was the obvious choice yesterday. One of them will play in the league against West Ham, and the other in the cup against Arsenal. I just think that Given will be first choice after that, not Harper. Will you all relax, already? Last night was the third successive league game when Given was on the bench. It's been over three weeks since he came back from injury and he had two extra days rest over all the other goalkeepers who played in Internationals in the week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Given gone in January if this continues. He won't sit on the bench for us and be the good servant that Harper has been. Simple as. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie Walnuts Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Given has proved himself time and time again - he's warranted his selection as no. 1. Harper's very competent, but he's no Shay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 there's no situation.. Given is no. 1 and Allardyce will play him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 I don't understand what Given has done to warrant being dropped. He's proven over the years that's he's the "the man". He doesn't deserve to be messed about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Given is the MUCH better keeper. Should be recalled asap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toontoon Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 I'd prefer Gvien but IMO Sam wont play him until Harper make a mistake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicky Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Got a feeling Given might be back for sunday. Harper didn't do a lot wrong yesterday, but perhaps caught out of position for the goal, and I recall him spilling one too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Mag Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Harper shouldnt even be allowed near Newcaslte Blue Star's starting 11, nevermind Newcastle United's starting 11. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jamesmartinsmith Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Given gone in January if this continues. He won't sit on the bench for us and be the good servant that Harper has been. Simple as. Seconded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Harper shouldnt even be allowed near Newcaslte Blue Star's starting 11, nevermind Newcastle United's starting 11. Because he has been shocking this season..... Where as Englands number 1 has shown the real difference in class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 Could harper have saved millers goal last night? from where i was standing at the match it looked like he just had 2 stick a hand out but he didnt I can only guess that you were standing outside the ground because where I was standing he had no chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mantis Posted September 18, 2007 Share Posted September 18, 2007 A joke situation. Shay is head and shoulders above Harps. Among top 5 keepers in the league and we are messing with him. Great tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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