Guest Howaythetoon Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I was impressed with him today, when he went to the dugout he was very active in his encouragement, motivation and management of the players. Lots of 'get out', 'keep it', 'get closer', 'pass pas pass' comments and at the end, acknowledging the crowd, he made all the players and staff clap all four stands. I thought he got his subs spot on as well, in terms of timing and the players he brought on. Tactically we look far superior to Pardew's Newcastle and I thought we played some decent football at times, especially from the back. I like seeing our keeper pass it out rather than boot it out and I like seeing our team, despite being down to 10 men, not crumble, look solid and have good spells of movement and threat. We badly need a decent left-back though and it has to be one of either Anita or Colback, not both as they are both very similar and got in the way of one another at times. We started the game badly though, too many long balls early on and too much ball watching. We also need to strengthen. We need a LB and another striker, preferably one with mobility and pace to get in behind. Mitrovic looks clumsy and one paced. The red was harsh, as it was a clumsy tackle and not an intentional reckless one. That said, his studs connected so it was one of those that could easily be given and that's exactly what happened. He needs to calm down like. Back to the match, Pardew would have subbed of Thauvin after we went down to 10 and that's what I thought McClaren would have done, but he seems to trust his players a lot more. He's no striker, but keeping him on in that kind of role shows confidence in his player from the manager, trusting he can still do a job. Good stuff and there were lots of promising signs. However its a results business and we need to start winning. We cannot be down there come January fighting a relegation battle. Nice to read, mate. Especially given what you've been saying about him over the last few weeks. Did you change your mind after you watch the team play? I haven't really changed my mind, we won't achieve anything of note under McClaren. But I cannot deny good things I see, things I actually want to see and we need to see in order to improve. And yeah, this is the first I've seen of us really. What I will say is that under Pardew the players and team were a total shambles and all over the place. They had no real direction, tactical awareness, no motivation and no leadership or communication. That's why we almost went down and why players like Colo regressed so badly. McClaren has came in and knows automatically the best way to build a functional team is to get them disciplined tactically, defensively strong, get them communicating, get them motivated and give them direction and tactical input. That is the base foundation to go forwards. Then its down to fitness, confidence and most of all quality. We are basically getting there, but it will take 6 months or more. Am I willing to give him time? Tbh, I'm out of it these days so I don't really give a s*** really. He needs it though, but if we are down there come Christmas he will be under pressure and rightfully so. I just think in general, his kind of appointment and approach is too little too late under Ashley's ownership. What NUFC needed was a 100m investment of players and an exciting coach or manager to get it all going. McClaren will build decent foundations, but there will be a ceiling as to what we can do under him. He's a very good coach, but he's defensive or rather cautious and I don't believe he can motivate players to excel in the way SBR and KK could. Even Hughton had that kind of ability. He's Ashley's wet dream like, an acceptable face for NUFC who will have the team hard working, defensively strong, good enough for mid-table, and have the odd stand out moment. Players won't be Pardewed under him and thus lose value and fans won't kick up a stink if we are finishing top ten and are seen to be trying to improve and such. His Derby team weren't defensive or cautious. He might have been that 10 years ago but going abroad has certainly helped him evolve how he wants his teams to play. I'll happily give him the benefit of the doubt on this if that is indeed correct, but his team line-ups and how we seemed to have started games and been set up have all been cautious to me thus far. Obviously we've conceded a s*** load over the last few years so maybe its a case of solid defence first then open up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmymag Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 You got there eventually. He can't play defensively with the players we've bought recently. Get the team defending as a unit and build from there. Another old pro, David James, said yesterday that McClaren was easily the best coach he'd worked under. Interesting when you consider who he's worked for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 2nd bottom of the league is the stark reality of the situation. whether we have had a tough start or played well in those games is immaterial if we don't start picking up some points, Watford and West Ham are huge games for us now, we are not getting anything against Man City or Chelsea, even if we win both those games we'll be on 8 points after 8 games that's relegation form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 2nd bottom of the league is the stark reality of the situation. whether we have had a tough start or played well in those games is immaterial if we don't start picking up some points, Watford and West Ham are huge games for us now, we are not getting anything against Man City or Chelsea, even if we win both those games we'll be on 8 points after 8 games that's relegation form. The way Chelsea are playing at the moment I wouldn't chalk that down as a guaranteed loss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 2nd bottom of the league is the stark reality of the situation. whether we have had a tough start or played well in those games is immaterial if we don't start picking up some points, Watford and West Ham are huge games for us now, we are not getting anything against Man City or Chelsea, even if we win both those games we'll be on 8 points after 8 games that's relegation form. the table really isn't worth anyalysing at this point. one win takes you into the top half potentially, let's see how we after 10-12 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikenewcastle Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 2nd bottom of the league is the stark reality of the situation. whether we have had a tough start or played well in those games is immaterial if we don't start picking up some points, Watford and West Ham are huge games for us now, we are not getting anything against Man City or Chelsea, even if we win both those games we'll be on 8 points after 8 games that's relegation form. If he have 8 points from 8 games having played all of last season's top 4, I'd be pretty happy (provided we don't mess up the nice run of fixtures that starts after Man City). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrymac1966 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Garbage what low expectations we have give the owld heed a shake we could have had 12 points with the right approach - this man will take us down with defensive shyte - wait till Sunderland go 1-0 up at both derbies and put some subs on jeeeeeeeeeeezzzz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Garbage what low expectations we have give the owld heed a shake we could have had 12 points with the right approach - this man will take us down with defensive shyte - wait till Sunderland go 1-0 up at both derbies and put some subs on jeeeeeeeeeeezzzz I hope that this is sarcastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Bit early to be drawing any conclusions yet, 4 years or Pardew/Carver comedy act doesn't just disappear over night. He may very well turn out to be a defensive coach and ergo we struggle for goals/points all season. Then again there's an argument to say that rebuilding a fractured and fragile dressing room/moral starts with building from the back, learning to keep the ball and shut others out, especially with such a difficult start to the season. Albeit a league 2 side, we saw the confidence building when the shackles were off against Northampton, that could have easily been undone if we played recklessly against Arsenal. Too early to call how big the tree will be when the shoots have just left the ground. It could go either way but there's no point in writing him off after 4 tough Premiership fixtures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 From a relatively realistic level of optimism I would have said we could maybe have had 7 points max from these 4 games. Based on the Ashley era I think 2 points is probably about what I'd expect, and it's what we have. That being said, our upcoming fixtures are slowly becoming cup finals. We need a win asap to release the tension. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Garbage what low expectations we have give the owld heed a shake we could have had 12 points with the right approach - this man will take us down with defensive shyte - wait till Sunderland go 1-0 up at both derbies and put some subs on jeeeeeeeeeeezzzz obvious wum is obvious Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 He needs half a season before we can really say or see what is going on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 He needs half a season before we can really say or see what is going on. Agree really, I'm not sure the toxicity of the Pardew/Carver stints can be understated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 He needs half a season before we can really say or see what is going on. He needs a season, if there are signs of improvement (and I can see them already) then he deserves even longer. I want this to work and I'm more than willing to give him the time to put it right. He's got a free pass 'til Easter a least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 He needs half a season before we can really say or see what is going on. He needs a season, if there are signs of improvement (and I can see them already) then he deserves even longer. I want this to work and I'm more than willing to give him the time to put it right. He's got a free pass 'til Easter a least. Think we need to be seeing some signs of improvement before we get to 19 games of the season gone myself personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 He needs half a season before we can really say or see what is going on. He needs a season, if there are signs of improvement (and I can see them already) then he deserves even longer. I want this to work and I'm more than willing to give him the time to put it right. He's got a free pass 'til Easter a least. Think we need to be seeing some signs of improvement before we get to 19 games of the season gone myself personally. Already have. There's a noticeable difference and I hope it will be clear come Feb/March. If not then I'll be pretty pissed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 He needs half a season before we can really say or see what is going on. He needs a season, if there are signs of improvement (and I can see them already) then he deserves even longer. I want this to work and I'm more than willing to give him the time to put it right. He's got a free pass 'til Easter a least. Think we need to be seeing some signs of improvement before we get to 19 games of the season gone myself personally. Already have. There's a noticeable difference and I hope it will be clear come Feb/March. If not then I'll be pretty pissed. i think they've been working on not conceding as a team but it's also at the expense of being able to worry the other team atm as well keep on working on that through the next two games, try not to get obliterated by citeh and chelsea and then he really has to start opening things up like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 He needs half a season before we can really say or see what is going on. He needs a season, if there are signs of improvement (and I can see them already) then he deserves even longer. I want this to work and I'm more than willing to give him the time to put it right. He's got a free pass 'til Easter a least. Think we need to be seeing some signs of improvement before we get to 19 games of the season gone myself personally. Already have. There's a noticeable difference and I hope it will be clear come Feb/March. If not then I'll be pretty pissed. i think they've been working on not conceding as a team but it's also at the expense of being able to worry the other team atm as well keep on working on that through the next two games, try not to get obliterated by citeh and chelsea and then he really has to start opening things up like After 8 games we'll have played 6 of the top 8 sides last season, that's a bit rough. It'll even out obviously but he'll get time from me, early results aren't great but he could do with a win or 2. We've won 2 games of football since the 31st of Jan. It's baby steps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Look at West Ham though against the top 8, I don't see why it has to be baby steps. I think there's a few positives to take from our games so far (excluding Swansea) but all in all we've been pretty unimpressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I just don't buy this shit about having to bed in and the 'good football will come later', it just seems like a shit excuse for not taking the game to the opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I just don't buy this shit about having to bed in and the 'good football will come later', it just seems like a shit excuse for not taking the game to the opposition. that's just a half-empty, half-full way of looking at the same thing none of us really know what mclaren is really thinking at this stage, imo he's either come into the club and seen what an utter shambles it is from top to bottom and decided to build slowly starting by not conceding millions of goals and getting raped week in week out or his natural inclination is to be dour and defensive which some seem to think it is in fairness to mclaren 'building from the back' is a tried and tested strategy of both his generation of managers and the biggest influence on his career, fergie...worth remembering how fragile the confidence is/was of a lot of our senior players tbh, as much as anything that's probably not something you can just change overnight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 McClaren was definitely a build from the back kind of manager when at Boro. To be fair, given our defensive displays in recent years he would be daft not to Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrymac1966 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Attacking football was promised what has followed is demonstrably an 8 man defensive setup. Outplayed outpassed outshot and outthought. Relegation looms as large as ever and by March we will be a laughing stock once again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Apart from the first match where we didn't at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Thought it would take a bit longer than this for the massively negative posts to start creeping into every thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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