Guest n4e Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Gouffran is probably the player I feel sorry for most to be honest. Don't think he's an unproductive player at all... just used so unbelievably incorrectly for the last 2 years. Used incorrectly in the sense that he's been playing games aye. He doesn't even bother pretending to try now, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Gouffran was a decent player pre-Pardew. Maybe it's not too late for him. Obertan, on the other hand, has never been good at football in his life. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Both are somewhere between poor and utterly shit. Only one of them has any talent whatsoever and it certainly isn't Alsoran. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Gouffran is the single most unproductive individual to have ever donned a NUFC shirt in my living memory. He is not so much crap as offering absolutely nothing to any side he is picked in. If he is picked on the left, you know for sure you may as well write off that side of the pitch from a production point of view, and there is not even an offset by making that flank stronger defensively either. On the scale of players I would want out of this club,only Williamson should be higher priority to flush away. You mustn't remember Andreas Andersson. I do, and I even put him ahead of Gouffran, ffs even Frank Pingel, Billy Askew, Wayne Ferreday et al offered something, some glimmer of hope that they would possibly effect the game in a positive way. Gouffran doesn't, you are playing with 10 men once he steps a foot on the pitch. Obertan has had his moments, they are very rare but he has them in certain games. There are no moments now for Goffran, it's debatable in my mind that he was ever any good or just pardewed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Gouffran bundled in some goals for us to be fair to the shite bastard. Obertan hasn't even managed that. Both should be given a one way ticket to the glue factory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I can imagine every manager looks at Obertan and thinks 'There is a good player in there somewhere, I have to at least try and persevere to improve them'. In fairness to Obertan, during Pardew's miracle 6 game run last season, he actually looked somewhat dangerous. Like enough to actually make the opposition bother to mark him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Anything remotely positive come out of this? Colback won't be captain? That's about it. Also don't think it was as negative as some are saying. Just a lot of standard coach speak. Ah man, we're back to 'all managers say this stuff' are we? Did Pardew even leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Unfortunately it looks like we are going to have to let McClaren figure out what we all already n Know a about some of these players. I guess as a new manager he's come in and hasn't held anything against any of them from previous terrible play. Fair dos I guess. Just hope he doesn't stick with any failures too long for his sake. If he manages to bring any of the incumbents back from the dead I'll be amazed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gino14 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Gouffran is just a lower level striker, who because he's out of his depth in the Premier League in that position, gets used as a utility player. He's maybe a 10 goal a season striker in the French league and a 5-8 goal a season striker in the premier league. He isn't good enough, but he's a professional guy who works hard and does what he's told. I think that's why managers like him and use him. He just doesn't have any left wing, or midfield abilities at all and it has been a big part of what has prevented us having functioning wing play for a long time. It really is a miracle we didn't get relegated last season. For most of the season half the team was either injured, sold, or sent away early for surgery. We had Pardew for half the season and Carver for the other half. Our defence is terrible, our midfield creativity none existent and our strikers talented but erratic. We couldn't have cooked a relegation stew better if we'd been trying for it. It really highlights that there's some truly awful teams in the league, some that were better organised than us, but with so little talent in the squad it didn't even matter. For all the talk of how awful the squad is at times, I think it's been a balance of squad deficiencies and terrible management. I wonder if any players we've written off will come good under McClaren, not because he's amazing, just because he's not Pardew or Carver. I'm hoping we can see more from players like Anita, Sissoko and Cabella for a start (Not that anyone has written them off in particular). It just seemed like Sissoko got picked in all different positions and worse with Anita and Cabella, where it seems like Pardew wouldn't play them much, because they weren't 6'2 with the build of Rugby players. I don't expect miracles from McClaren, but I'm hoping to see a more Football based approach. Crystal Palace fans may be hailing Pardew now, but just look at the players he wants to sign. Connor Wickham has been bought for nothing other than being a big guy, while Dwight Gayle, a player with a better record will be sidelined for not having the necessary physique. Pardew is just such an abortion of a manager, that I'm just hoping McClaren will be a relief from that, even if it's only a small relief. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest n4e Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Link for anyone who missed the phone in earlier. Starts at 35:00 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02xr5kq Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 You canjust imagine this coaching staff coming in and hearing about how much the players were underachieving, and how bad the previous setup was e.g. no using of the ball for most of pre-season etc. I can kind of understand the desire to try and see if the new approach can turn thigns around for some of them, but it's going to be tough for us the fans to want to have patience with some of these players man. He better get the balance right for his sake. Or it won't be pretty if he sticks with players that are struggling to turn it around from before. We're just fed up with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Link for anyone who missed the phone in earlier. Starts at 35:00 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02xr5kq Nice one man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Link for anyone who missed the phone in earlier. Starts at 35:00 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02xr5kq Nice one man. Don't do it Kaka Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest n4e Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 The lunatic talking about the training session comes on just after the hour mark. ''People keep asking if we're ready, and well if we're not ready when we are ready we're going to be something else. I'm not being overly optimistic I'm juts saying it how I see it'' :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 What could they possibly have even done in the training session to make him so enthusiastic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gino14 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 If you turned up expecting a punt to Williamson and saw a passing drill going on instead, that might just about do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Whatever you say about Gouffran he is still significantly superior to Riviere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Whatever you say about Gouffran he is still significantly superior to Riviere High praise indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Whatever you say about Gouffran he is still significantly superior to Riviere Goals wise definitely but Riviere has a far better all round game, if he could sort his finishing out he would be something, but unfortunately that's for the most part one thing that's natural and cant really be taught. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 The lunatic talking about the training session comes on just after the hour mark. ''People keep asking if we're ready, and well if we're not ready when we are ready we're going to be something else. I'm not being overly optimistic I'm juts saying it how I see it'' :lol: It was a ridiculous statement like. Training is completely different to games, Pardew picked players on how they trained rather than what they could do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Not sure on finishing being something that can't be taught. Riv's lowlights from last season were all a lack of composure and falling over his own feet when trying to finish. That can be improved on. Same with cisse, his instinctive finishing (which absolutely is natural) is generally good but his thinking finishing could do with some work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Whatever you say about Gouffran he is still significantly superior to Riviere but he's not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 That call in - at least he absolutely recognises our defence was simply not good enough last season - "you don't win anything with a bad defence". Not going to change it over night but sounds like this will be a big area of focus this season, both for the team and individuals. Good news. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 The lunatic talking about the training session comes on just after the hour mark. ''People keep asking if we're ready, and well if we're not ready when we are ready we're going to be something else. I'm not being overly optimistic I'm juts saying it how I see it'' :lol: Even if training was brilliant yesterday and you witnessed it, why on earth would you go so overboard with your praise and make absurd statements like that? Absolute fucking rectangle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 In an odd way the tough early fixtures could help. I don't think many of us were expecting good football early on. If we can use the first 5/6 games to work on fundamentals and still pick up a few points, the team may start to gel when we get to easier opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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