sempuki Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Didn't want Mitrovic and Thauvin last summer according to a few rags. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBlackAndWhite Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Didn't want Mitrovic and Thauvin last summer according to a few rags. Wasn't Thauvin actually in the Ligue 1 "Worst XI" last season? My friend who's a Ligue 1 fan said he was, also said nobody who watched ligue 1 could actually believe he had been bought, let alone for the price we paid. Graham Carr, the genius, strikes again.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 We have to keep the agents on side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Dalglish was destined to fail, just like SMC. Dalglish walked into a similar situation in many ways in that the club was entrenched in a certain culture and he was the antithesis of it. Sir Bobby was the man to replace KK - that happens and we win the league or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Yeah well, we'll see if tunes change if we go down. Dalglish had no Shearer for the season and suffered the consequences. My tune won't change. SMc was a minor symptom of the disease this club is fighting and, whether we're relegated or not, he'll never be the sole reason we're down. KD had a far more damaging effect on NUFC given the respective circumstances. Aye so damaging in fact that we were finishing and 4th and 3rd a few seasons later. Including players like Solano, Speed, Shay and Dabizas that he signed, by the way. Dalglish's team were aging and on the way down. He had one bad season in which we finished 13th, beat Barcelona and reached a cup final. McClaren has quite possibly gotten us relegated with his cowardice and ineptitude. Spectacular lack of recognition of the fact that we're virtually two completely different football clubs in the interim period between KD & SMc managing the first team. The club KD was working for wanted to compete, wanted to win things, was entirely set up for success etc. You've noted four players he signed (Dabiza's is questionable btw, but you can claim him as a good signing if you like), I can name many more, without even thinking about it, who were either utter toss, finished or very clearly signed using a 'jobs for the boys' policy: Hamilton Serrant Paul Dalglish (wonder what attracted him to this young superstar?) Andersson Perez Guivarch Rush Barnes Pearce Pinas There was discussion at the time of needing to bolster the squad. Not sure how much 'bolstering' we'd have needed if he hadn't jettisoned Beresford, Tino, Clark, Ginola, Elliott etc. Not to mention that fucking mumbling he'd do after every game in front of the camera's. He was a disaster of an appointment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Yeah well, we'll see if tunes change if we go down. Dalglish had no Shearer for the season and suffered the consequences. My tune won't change. SMc was a minor symptom of the disease this club is fighting and, whether we're relegated or not, he'll never be the sole reason we're down. KD had a far more damaging effect on NUFC given the respective circumstances. Aye so damaging in fact that we were finishing and 4th and 3rd a few seasons later. Including players like Solano, Speed, Shay and Dabizas that he signed, by the way. Dalglish's team were aging and on the way down. He had one bad season in which we finished 13th, beat Barcelona and reached a cup final. McClaren has quite possibly gotten us relegated with his cowardice and ineptitude. Spectacular lack of recognition of the fact that we're virtually two completely different football clubs in the interim period between KD & SMc managing the first team. The club KD was working for wanted to compete, wanted to win things, was entirely set up for success etc. You've noted four players he signed (Dabiza's is questionable btw, but you can claim him as a good signing if you like), I can name many more, without even thinking about it, who were either utter toss, finished or very clearly signed using a 'jobs for the boys' policy: Hamilton Serrant Paul Dalglish (wonder what attracted him to this young superstar?) Andersson Perez Guivarch Rush Barnes Pearce Pinas There was discussion at the time of needing to bolster the squad. Not sure how much 'bolstering' we'd have needed if he hadn't jettisoned Beresford, Tino, Clark, Ginola, Elliott etc. Not to mention that f***ing mumbling he'd do after every game in front of the camera's. He was a disaster of an appointment. Arrrghhh my eyes! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Pearce did a job for us tbf, I liked him as a player on our team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Sir Bobby was the man to replace KK - that happens and we win the league or something. I've said that for years mate - Barca stitched him up too - moved him upstairs a few months after he showed loyalty to them for Van Gaal! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Sir Bobby was the man to replace KK - that happens and we win the league or something. I've said that for years mate - Barca stitched him up too - moved him upstairs a few months after he showed loyalty to them for Van Gaal! Yeah - always remember that interview he did live on football focus where you could see he was almost conflicted between Barca and us. It was clear it was a tussle between doing what his heart was telling him (us) and his personal integrity/honouring his word. He was the undoubted man for the job after KK. Dalglish annihilated us. We needed someone to arrive with a small spanner for minor adjustment. That twat turned up with a kango hammer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Dalglish was destined to fail, just like SMC. Dalglish walked into a similar situation in many ways in that the club was entrenched in a certain culture and he was the antithesis of it. How was that a similar situation to what McClaren walked into? He replaced John Carver/Alan Pardew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 He brought in Speed, Solano and Given, but people forget that the football was absolutely shit. He was unlucky with Shearer getting injured, definitely, but he tried to completely overhaul a team that had just nearly won the league. Yes, it needed to be changed, but the way in which he did it by bringing in players like Rush, Barnes and Pearce was never going to work, everyone could see it, and it didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Dalglish was destined to fail, just like SMC. Dalglish walked into a similar situation in many ways in that the club was entrenched in a certain culture and he was the antithesis of it. How was that a similar situation to what McClaren walked into? He replaced John Carver/Alan Pardew Yeah, Macca didn't inherit a team that had nearly won the title Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soyt Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Kenny made a very good team bad. SMC made a bad team shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 He also helped set the foundations for the Sir Bobby team (Given, Dabizas, Speed, Solano, brought through Hughes)... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 He also helped set the foundations for the Sir Bobby team (Given, Dabizas, Speed, Solano, brought through Hughes)... The problem was, he burnt the house down, leaving only the foundations. And it wasn't a poxy bedsit, it was a luxury mansion . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Dalglish killed the dream, just like Souness did, and that was as damaging as anything he did in terms of signings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Sir Bobby was the man to replace KK - that happens and we win the league or something. I've said that for years mate - Barca stitched him up too - moved him upstairs a few months after he showed loyalty to them for Van Gaal! Yeah - always remember that interview he did live on football focus where you could see he was almost conflicted between Barca and us. It was clear it was a tussle between doing what his heart was telling him (us) and his personal integrity/honouring his word. He was the undoubted man for the job after KK. Dalglish annihilated us. We needed someone to arrive with a small spanner for minor adjustment. That t*** turned up with a kango hammer. I distinctly remember watching that interview. I'd have only been 7 years old and I'd never heard of Bobby before, but it left an impression on me - and I always think back to it with a 'what if'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Sir Bobby was the man to replace KK - that happens and we win the league or something. I've said that for years mate - Barca stitched him up too - moved him upstairs a few months after he showed loyalty to them for Van Gaal! Yeah - always remember that interview he did live on football focus where you could see he was almost conflicted between Barca and us. It was clear it was a tussle between doing what his heart was telling him (us) and his personal integrity/honouring his word. He was the undoubted man for the job after KK. Dalglish annihilated us. We needed someone to arrive with a small spanner for minor adjustment. That t*** turned up with a kango hammer. I distinctly remember watching that interview. I'd have only been 7 years old and I'd never heard of Bobby before, but it left an impression on me - and I always think back to it with a 'what if'. Remember the interview itself like it was yesterday. Such an honourable bloke. I think it might have been before a home game but can't be 100%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Having a SMC thread is bad enough, discussing Dalglish in the same place it totally depressing. He ripped one of our best teams in years apart. Will never be forgiven for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Not exactly surprising, but McClarens removal from the 'Football Board' is confirmed. http://www.themag.co.uk/2016/03/companies-house-confirm-steve-mcclaren-loss-directorship-newcastle/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Sure I read that Benitez is going to be on it in his place. Nothing yet though: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/00031014/filing-history Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Yeah well, we'll see if tunes change if we go down. Dalglish had no Shearer for the season and suffered the consequences. My tune won't change. SMc was a minor symptom of the disease this club is fighting and, whether we're relegated or not, he'll never be the sole reason we're down. KD had a far more damaging effect on NUFC given the respective circumstances. Aye so damaging in fact that we were finishing and 4th and 3rd a few seasons later. Including players like Solano, Speed, Shay and Dabizas that he signed, by the way. Dalglish's team were aging and on the way down. He had one bad season in which we finished 13th, beat Barcelona and reached a cup final. McClaren has quite possibly gotten us relegated with his cowardice and ineptitude. Dalglish was also sacked when we'd made an unbeaten start to the season purely because we'd drew 0-0 at home with Charlton and the crowd were moaning. Dalglish gets a lot of unfair criticism in my opinion. He was hamstrung on transfers by the PLC that Keegan quit over. He little or no youth or reserve team players coming through and ready to play due to Keegan scrapping the reserve team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Aye. A lot of Dalglish's dealings were rebuilding a reserve team (Brady, Serrant, Pinas, Gudjonnson (sp?), Coppinger, Robinson, etc). Obviously there were a few poor signings, but as well as the 4 who went on to be important in the Sir Bobby team, there was also Hamann who second half of the 98/99 season was probably the best midfielder I've seen here. Think he gets a raw deal personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
soyt Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 IN Mar 1997 Des Hamilton MID Bradford City £2,000,000 Mar 1997 Bjarni Gudjonsson FWD IA Akranes £250,000 Jun 1997 Paddy Kelly MID Celtic Free Jun 1997 Shay Given GKR Blackburn £1,500,000 Jun 1997 Temuri Ketsbaia MID AEK Athens Free Jul 1997 Jon Dahl Tomasson FWD Heerenveen £2,500,000 Jul 1997 Stuart Pearce DEF Nottingham Forest Free Jul 1997 Alessandro Pistone DEF Inter Milan £4,500,000 Jul 1997 Brian Pinas MID Feyenoord Free Aug 1997 John Barnes MID Liverpool Free Aug 1997 Ian Rush FWD Leeds United Free Oct 1997 Carlos Gonzalez FWD Sydney Olympic Free Nov 1997 Ralf Keidel MID Schweinfurt Free Nov 1997 Paul Dalglish FWD Liverpool Free Jan 1998 David Terrier DEF Unattached (West Ham) Free Jan 1998 Andreas Andersson FWD AC Milan £3,000,000 Jan 1998 Andy Griffin DEF Stoke City £1,500,000 Feb 1998 Gary Speed MID Everton £5,500,000 Mar 1998 Jamie Coppinger FWD Darlington £250,000 Mar 1998 Paul Robinson FWD Darlington £250,000 Mar 1998 Stephen Glass MID Aberdeen £650,000 Mar 1998 Nicos Dabizas DEF Olympiakos £2,000,000 Jun 1998 George Georgiadis MID Panathanaikos £500,000 Jun 1998 Lionel Perez GKR Sunderland Free Jun 1998 Stephane Guivarc'h FWD Auxerre £3,500,000 Jul 1998 Carl Serrant DEF Oldham £500,000 Jul 1998 Garry Brady MID Tottenham £650,000 Jul 1998 Laurent Charvet DEF Cannes £750,000 Aug 1998 Dietmar Hamann MID Bayern Munich £4,500,000 Aug 1998 Nolberto Solano MID Boca Juniors £2,500,000 OUT Jan 1997 Paul Kitson DEF West Ham £2,300,000 Jun 1997 Lee Clark MID Sunderland £2,500,000 Jul 1997 Robbie Elliott DEF Bolton £3,500,000 Jul 1997 David Ginola MID Tottenham £2,000,000 Jul 1997 Les Ferdinand FWD Tottenham £6,000,000 Aug 1997 Peter Beardsley FWD Bolton £450,000 Jan 1998 Tino Asprilla FWD Parma £6,000,000 Feb 1998 John Beresford DEF Southampton £1,500,000 Mar 1998 Jimmy Crawford MID Reading £100,000 Mar 1998 Paul Brayson FWD Reading Free May 1998 Brian Pinas MID Feyenoord £200,000 May 1998 Ian Rush FWD Wrexham Free May 1998 Carlos Gonzalez FWD Packed In Released Jun 1998 Jon Dahl Tomasson FWD Feyenoord £2,500,000 Jul 1998 Darren Peacock DEF Blackburn £100,000 Jul 1998 Shaka Hislop GKR West Ham Free Jul 1998 Pavel Srnicek GKR Banik Ostrava Free Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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