Rob Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 even better sunderland are two down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elbee909 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Perhaps Newcastle is an inherently depressing place, hence no-one can be motivated to work there properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 So what do you think is the reason that no matter what we (nufc) seem to do, it always turns out bad? Big Sam is a decent manager and personally I was expecting a bit of an up and down season this year so long as progress appeared to be being made, but at the moment things look pretty bleak, I have to say. We do have some decent players, although no real stand-out individuals, which is a problem, but they just don't seem to perform, at least not consistently anyway. Why not? There seems to be something fundamentally wrong with the club that prevents anything from working, although I can't put my finger on exactly what it is, but the evidence of the last few years seems to suggest that there are no quick fixes for whatever it is. Therefore, I'm going to try and grit my teeth and bear it 'til the end of the season and see what happens. Like I said, Sam is a decent manager, he's proved that at Bolton, and one day we're going to have to give someone a real chance to sort the club out from top to bottom. That's going to take time and will involve quite a bit of pain I reckon. So if this is the pain and the club's going to end up better for it in the long-run, then I'll take it. Therefore I'm still of the opinion that Sam should be given time, the only reason he shouldn't is if we were able to bring in a truly world-class manager, Mourinho for example, the kind of person you absolutely couldn't see failing to sort things out and even then they'd need to be given time to do it. Unfortunately, I can't see someone like that coming here, can you? I've resigned myself to giving him the rest of the season. Unless we're in relegation trouble we've got to, havent we? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elan Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Great points from toontownman there. The answer isn't "sack, sack, sack" - where has it gotten us so far? Are you suggesting we should have stuck with Roeder or Souness? A fairly simple solution would be to make the right appointment in the first place, then there would be no need for "sack, sack, sack". The best and most accurate post ever, should be put in big letters at the top of the board Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest justin99. Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Perhaps Newcastle is an inherently depressing place, hence no-one can be motivated to work there properly. so, the club should be moved out of Newcastle to be successful? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elbee909 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Perhaps Newcastle is an inherently depressing place, hence no-one can be motivated to work there properly. so, the club should be moved out of Newcastle to be successful? Yeah, currently think the club should be moved to the moon, without the benefit of spacesuits or oxygen. And long ball's easier in low gravity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 he needs to work on the 4-3-3 or the 4-4-2, and pick the players he wants in those roles and stick with that and only rotate players when palyers are injured... stop micro managing every aspect of the game and let the players play their football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest emre5 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 tactical nightmare, no shape, no style of play...What is Smith's role for gods sake? We're playing 10 men whenever he's on the pitch and gets mom I did't expect emre to start or even play....Played 80 odd mins in a really difficult game for Turkey against Norway last week, then Bosnia on Wed. full 90 mins. 3 games in a week is surely gonna hurt, especially against Liverpool. Little Sam surely is aware of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Thinking outside the box, I like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 its the shirts thats the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zeta87 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 seeing Geremi's play today, having him as our captain is like having babayaro as the captain :bang: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 seeing Geremi's play today, having him as our captain is like having babayaro as the captain :bang: he had no bottle... looked like a scared kid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 I've heard that Geremi simply just didn't have a clue where the hell he was meant to be or what he was supposed to be doing. Or was he just shit anyway? Can someone sum up for me? What actually was the intented formation/system? I don't care whether it worked or not, cos it clearly didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 No pride, passion, confidence, ability, drive, fight, vision, creativity, heart and then top that with an out of his depth manager. WE ARE DOOMED!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 If we move quickly we could probably snare McLaren or Jol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 So what do you think is the reason that no matter what we (nufc) seem to do, it always turns out bad? Big Sam is a decent manager and personally I was expecting a bit of an up and down season this year so long as progress appeared to be being made, but at the moment things look pretty bleak, I have to say. We do have some decent players, although no real stand-out individuals, which is a problem, but they just don't seem to perform, at least not consistently anyway. Why not? There seems to be something fundamentally wrong with the club that prevents anything from working, although I can't put my finger on exactly what it is, but the evidence of the last few years seems to suggest that there are no quick fixes for whatever it is. Therefore, I'm going to try and grit my teeth and bear it 'til the end of the season and see what happens. Like I said, Sam is a decent manager, he's proved that at Bolton, and one day we're going to have to give someone a real chance to sort the club out from top to bottom. That's going to take time and will involve quite a bit of pain I reckon. So if this is the pain and the club's going to end up better for it in the long-run, then I'll take it. Therefore I'm still of the opinion that Sam should be given time, the only reason he shouldn't is if we were able to bring in a truly world-class manager, Mourinho for example, the kind of person you absolutely couldn't see failing to sort things out and even then they'd need to be given time to do it. Unfortunately, I can't see someone like that coming here, can you? I've resigned myself to giving him the rest of the season. Unless we're in relegation trouble we've got to, havent we? I think we probably have. It's far easier to say this now that I've moved away a bit and can't get to all the games but I wholeheartedly agree. Not sure if I'd have been so relaxed if I'd been up to SJP first thing this afternoon, frozen my bollocks off for 2 hours in a dead stadium and saw a performance like that, mind... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 If we move quickly we could probably snare McLaren or Jol. Best take our time then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Just got back Thats the only positive thing I can say about today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Newcastle 0 Liverpool 3 Nov 24 2007 By Lee Ryder at St James's Park SAM ALLARDYCE was the target of angry Newcastle United fans today after Liverpool pulled off an easy win on Tyneside. The fact that Pepe Reina wasn’t even tested in the Liverpool goal summed up a miserable day at the office for Big Sam as the Merseysiders could have left a rain swept St James’s Park with an even bigger scoreline. The Geordie crowd then turned on Allardyce when they chanted “You don’t know what you’re doing” and “Big Sam for England.” And Liverpool fans were also happy to join in when they chanted “You’re getting sacked in the morning” and “You should have stayed at the Reebok.” Newcastle started the clash against Liverpool with a 3-5-2 system which resulted in a recall for skipper Geremi. The Cameroon star was deployed as a wing back as Jose Enrique, David Rozehnal and Habib Beye lined up the heart of the defence while Charles N’Zogbia was fielded on the other flank. Shay Given was also back between the posts with Steve Harper making way for the Republic of Ireland star. Meanwhile Big Sam dropped Joey Barton and derby day hero James Milner as Nicky Butt, Alan Smith and Emre made up the midfield engine room. In attack Oba Martins, as anticipated, started the game up front with Mark Viduka. The first real sight of goal came the way of Liverpool when a free-kick on the edge of the box was driven in by Steven Gerrard, however, the England midfielder – who was roundly booed by the home crowd after the Croatia debacle – could only find Given’s mid-drift. However, the glimpse of goal proved to be a rarity in the opening stages as both team cancelled each other out early on. But on 22 minute Gerrard forced Given into a good save when the Irishman had to fist away his effort from 25 yards and just 30 seconds later after United had cleared his team-mate Jamie Carragher sent an effort fizzing the wrong side of the post. And Liverpool were presented another opportunity when Emre upended Fernando Torres on 27 minutes. This time Gerrard made no mistake as he lashed it past Given after Lucas Leiva rolled the ball to him from 25 yards as the Reds captain hit back at his critics. Eight minutes before the break United gave their fans a flicker of hope when Viduka fed Smith in the right channel before the Yorkshireman juggled the ball on the edge of the area and sent in a wicked snap shot which just bounced wide of the goal frame. Yet Liverpool should have gone in 2-0 up at the break when Torres was released by Dirk Kuyt and was gifted a chance following a defensive mix up. Given came hurtling out of his goal to block his initial attempt but it then fell for the Spaniard who sent an effort against the bottom of the post in a wonderful chance for the visitors. But Liverpool took less than a minute to double their lead at the start of the second half when Gerrard’s corner was backheeled by Sami Hyypia into the path of Kuyt who applied the finish from close range. Shell-shocked Newcastle struggled to get back into the game and the biggest cheer of the afternoon came when James Milner warmed up in front of the Gallowgate End. On 55 minutes Viduka won the ball in the air on the edge of the box but Smith’s effort was high and wide. Milner finally emerged just before the hour and when he replaced N’Zogbia the Frenchman was booed off the field. The margin almost got bigger on 62 minutes when Torres wriggled his way through and his shot struck the knees of Given. It was 3-0 on 66 minutes when Gerrard pulled the ball back for sub Babel to lash home. Liverpool could have ended up with a cricket score as Kuyt and Torres wasted further chances before the end. UNITED: Given, Geremi, Enrique (Carr 78), Rozehnal, Beye, N’Zogbia (Milner 59), Smith, Butt, Emre (Barton 51), Viduka, Martins. Subs: Harper, Edgar. LIVERPOOL: Reina, Finnan, Hyypia, Kewell (Babel 58), Gerrard (Crouch 81), Torres, Arbeloa, Kuyt (Riise 76), Leiva, Sissoko, Carragher. Subs: Mascherano, Itandje. Crowd: 52, 307 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 No pride, passion, confidence, ability, drive, fight, vision, creativity, heart and then top that with an out of his depth manager. WE ARE DOOMED!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 "Milner finally emerged just before the hour and when he replaced N’Zogbia the Frenchman was booed off the field." rubbish.. the booing was for the decision Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Milner finally emerged just before the hour and when he replaced N’Zogbia the Frenchman was booed off the field. It sounded like the boos were for Sam for taking him off, not for Charlie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 To be fair N'Zogbia was one of the worst players on the pitch. It wouldnt have mattered who he took off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 The Geordie crowd then turned on Allardyce when they chanted “You don’t know what you’re doing” and “Big Sam for England.” And Liverpool fans were also happy to join in when they chanted “You’re getting sacked in the morning” and “You should have stayed at the Reebok.” Stood out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spark Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 I've heard that Geremi simply just didn't have a clue where the hell he was meant to be or what he was supposed to be doing. Or was he just s*** anyway? Can someone sum up for me? What actually was the intented formation/system? I don't care whether it worked or not, cos it clearly didn't. 3-5-2. Geremi and N'Zogbia wing-backs. Geremi would get the ball and have absolutely no options, inside or down the line. He was also shite apart from that, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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