STM Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Martin Jol is ANOTHER one of the premierships average managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Echo Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 And prior to going to City, Sven said he would love the job here. but no no we wanted....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 When you can't defend, you can usually hide it up with attacking - ala Robson and Keegan. But not only can we not defend, we can't attack either. What is the point of having 5 players in midfield if you are just gonna by-pass them straight up to Viduka and Martins? Absolutely ridiculous. Geremi had no idea where he was playing half the time, kept looking for some form of guidance. Allardyce, tactical genius? fuck off! To be fair, the three defenders were probably our best players over the 90. I thought Rozehnal got embarrassed on more than one occasion, personally. He doesn't convince me at all, despite how much I like the bloke. I agree that Beye was the outstanding outfield performer and that Enrique had a really good first half before fading badly after the break - which was understandable in the circumstances. Given's saves in the second-half probably make him the MOTM though. Geremi was probably the worst player on the park, N'Zogbia had an off day at left wing-back... more to blame on the tactics than the players? Butt and Smith were fairly anonymous, Emre huffed and puffed, Martins didn't get any service but was at his worst with the ball and Viduka looked miles unfit, but still our major threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K9 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Martin Jol anyone? No. Why not? Aside from his transfer dealings he's a good manager, step up from Sam. Is he? yes he is obviously Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 We'd be a totally different prospect with a decent midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alex20 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 If we lose the next two, will Sam still be here? If ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zeta87 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 viduka is anything but impressive nowadays Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 When you can't defend, you can usually hide it up with attacking - ala Robson and Keegan. But not only can we not defend, we can't attack either. What is the point of having 5 players in midfield if you are just gonna by-pass them straight up to Viduka and Martins? Absolutely ridiculous. Geremi had no idea where he was playing half the time, kept looking for some form of guidance. Allardyce, tactical genius? f*** off! To be fair, the three defenders were probably our best players over the 90. The scoreline begs to differ. Beye was the only defensive stand-out for me. When playing three at the back, the other 8 players need to perform, and they were the bigger let down for me, in particular N'Zogbia and Martins who were both completely woeful for their entire duration on the field. I thought Enrique actually played very well in the first half seeing as he was playing CB, LB and LW due to N'Zogbia's performance, though Beye shades it over 90 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 We'd be a totally different prospect with a decent midfield. That's like saying we wouldn't be shit if we had good players though really, isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Martin Jol anyone? No. Why not? Aside from his transfer dealings he's a good manager, step up from Sam. Is he? yes he is obviously Why? His record this season was far worse than ours after spending almost double the money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 I don't think he has the balls for this. Started off really well, especially off the pitch. He talks a good game as well. But he's bottling it. Ridiculous mind-boggling substitutions and baffling team selection. He should be fucking embarassed that his own fans had to sing 'you don't know what you're doing' today. It's even worse because we all had reasonably high expectations of him, especially after the summer transfer window and the positive start to the season. At least with Roeder and Souness it was almost just wishful thinking that they'd do well. With Allardyce there was actually geniune optimism and excitement about the club's future. Fuck. I'm in two minds as well. Does he deserve January? Does he deserve this whole season? I always said that as long as we're not in relegation trouble he should get the season to show signs of progression. We all knew there would be ups and downs but I never imagined the 'down' would be this low. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 i remember fondly the people proclaiming viduka coming back would make all the difference turned the corner for me, i want him gone if we have a top class replacement in line. i think if he has enough time, he will improve us as a club, unlike roeder and souness, but he's made too many mistakes, elementary mistakes, for me to support him any more. i dont think allardyce understands that if we try and draw every away game we will end up with something like 12 wins, 36 points. we'll escape relegation, but finish around 15th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 I'm caught up in two mind sets at the moment. On the one hand, i was happy with the appointment of Sam and content with the seasons performances so far (up until portsmouth). I was pleased with the changes he made throughout the club in the summer and the solid style he was trying to implement. However now half of my brain is saying that the last few performances have been something that you would expect from the likes of Souness and Roeder. Mishaped formations, poor motivation and woeful substitutions. This has really got me wondering whether he is capable. The question is should we stick by him? Personally, i don't see much other choice at the moment. Unless we believe we are going to convince Mourinho, Capello etc to join then it would be a waste of time sacking him. We would be simple firing and hireing like we have done so many times in the past. What i would like to see is the hierarchy at Newcastle to come out and say Sam is the manager for the foreseeable future, this would take pressure off and allow Sam and the players to perform. However, all this wouldn't be needed if Sam picked a simple side and stuck to it. They have already come out and said that not many weeks ago didn't they? They would have to be idiots to say it again now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 I'm caught up in two mind sets at the moment. On the one hand, i was happy with the appointment of Sam and content with the seasons performances so far (up until portsmouth). I was pleased with the changes he made throughout the club in the summer and the solid style he was trying to implement. However now half of my brain is saying that the last few performances have been something that you would expect from the likes of Souness and Roeder. Mishaped formations, poor motivation and woeful substitutions. This has really got me wondering whether he is capable. The question is should we stick by him? Personally, i don't see much other choice at the moment. Unless we believe we are going to convince Mourinho, Capello etc to join then it would be a waste of time sacking him. We would be simple firing and hireing like we have done so many times in the past. What i would like to see is the hierarchy at Newcastle to come out and say Sam is the manager for the foreseeable future, this would take pressure off and allow Sam and the players to perform. However, all this wouldn't be needed if Sam picked a simple side and stuck to it. They have already come out and said that not many weeks ago didn't they? They would have to be idiots to say it again now. Loving your new av BD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zeta87 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 i remember fondly the people proclaiming viduka coming back would make all the difference turned the corner for me, i want him gone if we have a top class replacement in line. i think if he has enough time, he will improve us as a club, unlike roeder and souness, but he's made too many mistakes, elementary mistakes, for me to support him any more. i dont think allardyce understands that if we try and draw every away game we will end up with something like 12 wins, 36 points. we'll escape relegation, but finish around 15th. 'even' smith, cant believe im saying this, looked better than viduka today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 England managers are utterly and completely useless ... No more English managers please. All bloody useless and just don't earn their money. All "passion" and jumping up and down but don't know a damn thing about the game. Yeah, let's just keep blaming all the foreigners because they are 100 times better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Absolute rubbish performance. That was as bad as any performance we saw under Roeder, if not worse. Sam Allardyce is clearly a fraud. He came with the billing of being a tactical master and a man who was defensively mainded and would reinforce our leaky backline. Instead we have a man who encourages a defensive mentality in a team that can't defend. 0 shots on target is completely unacceptable. Getting beaten 1-5 at home to Birmingham still beats it, for me. Just. We seem to have little fight with a midfield that just seems to stand off and lolop back and forward with little purporse. I'm burying my head in the sand these days, unfortunately, there is simply too much wrong to even begin analysing it. I need a drink. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 We have to stick with allardyce though, he tried to play as defensive as he could and tried to keep it tight and scrappy, it backfired again in his face and he had no clues to turn things round. Do we? I would say for now, yes we do. If we dont give him the season were going to look like the revolving door of managers like we always have done, lessening the limited appeal the job already has. TBH England could do us a massive favour, but i doubt they'd go for him after his performance so far at NUFC. Cool. That "Do we?" wasn't my own personal judgment on the matter, was just wondering what people thought. I hastily said "Sam out" earlier in this thread but I know it's not anywhere near as simple as that. What do you think then? It is tough, other factors are tied up in this for a change, its not like a simple sacking like Souness, although if the board wanted, the excuse could be it wasn't their man. Going to cost about £6m though to sack him, then probably the same again to get a decent manager in. I'd rather he received that money in the window to buy some more players, and let him see out the season. I don't even have a clear opinion on the matter anymore, like i said before, i really am not trying to naturally react in a bad way about this, but my opinion all season is it hasn't been good enough, this has just confirmed to everyone it hasn't been and i don't want to lead the stupidity pack by calling for his head right now. We dont Have to stick with him obviously. But Im fed up of this revolving doors policy, when does it end, it wont be the same with anyone else. A few losses whilst he is trying to impliment his own ideas and we will be straight back in the same position. Its far too soon to be sacking Sam for me, however mystifying the recent ineptness of our team and the tactics consistency is the key and we are yet to have a settled team or formation. People want too much too soon and hopes and aims are finally becoming more real as we find out how behind other teams we are. Its not just a case of putting managers off coming here either, certain players arent going to stick around or want to come to such an inconsistent set up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Shucks i missed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 We have to stick with allardyce though, he tried to play as defensive as he could and tried to keep it tight and scrappy, it backfired again in his face and he had no clues to turn things round. Do we? I would say for now, yes we do. If we dont give him the season were going to look like the revolving door of managers like we always have done, lessening the limited appeal the job already has. TBH England could do us a massive favour, but i doubt they'd go for him after his performance so far at NUFC. Cool. That "Do we?" wasn't my own personal judgment on the matter, was just wondering what people thought. I hastily said "Sam out" earlier in this thread but I know it's not anywhere near as simple as that. What do you think then? It is tough, other factors are tied up in this for a change, its not like a simple sacking like Souness, although if the board wanted, the excuse could be it wasn't their man. Going to cost about £6m though to sack him, then probably the same again to get a decent manager in. I'd rather he received that money in the window to buy some more players, and let him see out the season. I don't even have a clear opinion on the matter anymore, like i said before, i really am not trying to naturally react in a bad way about this, but my opinion all season is it hasn't been good enough, this has just confirmed to everyone it hasn't been and i don't want to lead the stupidity pack by calling for his head right now. I don't know what to think really. I can't help but think it's far too early to get rid of him and that he deserves the January window at least but then again I don't know what he can personally do to stop the rot. He's shown tactically he's completely inept and I can't see him suddenly changing his ways. He may possibly have the right tactics, just the wrong players, and thats the only hope i can give him but in that he really should be playing with what he's got. Maybe, but he bought so many players in the summer to suit his own tactics that I can't really sympathise with him if that is the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 I hope Ashley gets to see the video clip of Carr casually ambling onto the pitch with a jokey grin on his face when we're 3-0 down. Pay him the rest of his contract and tell him to f*ck off, please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zeta87 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Shucks i missed it. u mean the match? u should be glad u missed it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Great points from toontownman there. The answer isn't "sack, sack, sack" - where has it gotten us so far? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Shucks i missed it. u mean the match? u should be glad u missed it I'm paying around £100 (for the day) to go and see the Arsenal game though. Can't wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 And prior to going to City, Sven said he would love the job here. but no no we wanted....... its so painful i have to laff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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