Spurs sign Luka Modric

[NE5]

I've said it before and I'll say it again.  When Spurs come to SJP, Modric will see the stadium and the support and he will know deep down that he made the wrong choice in going to Spurs with their crappy old stadium and average support.  Having said that I agree he looks class in the Euros, but he won't get the same sort of time or space in the EPL.  I would much rather have Raphael VDV who really looked the business against Italy.  Add Turan to the squad as well and we could really be going places.  Having said that its all just pie in the sky.  None of this will ever happen under Ashley.  He had to stump up an extra £100m to clear the debts and he clearly has no intention of allowing that to happen again which means only buying players out of money generated by the club from ticket sales etc and selling before buying.  He is taking this club backwards with his pennypinching  ( i.e. making the players pay for their own club suits! whats that all about?) and we will have the healthiest bank balance in the Championship if he doesn't get his finger out.  Rant over!

 

absolutely correct.

 

I've said myself that showing players the stadium, the support is a big pulling factor but for some strange reason some people disagreed .......... 

 

 

Not only do Ferguson's personally guided tours of Old Trafford add the midas touch to any sales pitches arrowed at potential signees, they've also become a tradition over there. Something i've raised before, and KK - ie. a charismatic figure in his own right - and the 'SJP Factor' you speak of is the closest thing we can offer from a 'club selling' standpoint.

 

But then again everything is fine according to many here, with regard to the suit-orientated 'selling team' led by Jimenez, and as always we're posting s****.

 

 

 

Although you are ignoring the fact that the following people took part in the negotiations for Modric: Mike Ashley, Chris Mort, Tony Jimenez, Dennis Wise, and Kevin Keegan, who tried to charm the Mamic brothers with his Hamburg tales.

 

James, the term 'too many chefs operating in one single kitchen' springs to mind. Too many amateurs - ie Mort and Ashley in particular - trying to play Football Manager.

 

Keegan in this new-age set-up is a peripheral figure, whereas there is nobody who can sell the club better than Keegan, afterall he personally oversaw Asprilla's transfer and prised away a player of undoubted ability from a then high-flying Serie A club in the form of Parma. Parma were at that stage the 2nd or 3rd ranked/placed team in Italy, so Keegan - and this is just one higher profile example - has the track record when it comes to sealing deals for in-demand 'stars' when there are clubs at a comparable level to ours competing for these same signatures, and surely Spurs fits into this category at the minute.

 

The club at the moment needs every advantage it can get at the moment, and while i have reservations about Spurs' continental set-up i'm prepared to acknowledge that Spurs will have a headstart on us - ie. sealing deals - because their 'selling team' headed by Commolli and Levi have been in caper longer than Wise, and longer in the English set-up than Jimenez and as such can sell the pros of English football more plainly as opposed to a high-powered, suit-oriented team issuing contract offer with a higher number ahead of the 0's, afterall we have offered more money in the way of contract offers to both Woodgate & Modric yet we've come up well short on both counts. As such he should be the central player in this regard, Jimenez and Co. should only enter the fray when personal terms need to be put on the table & signed by the relevant parties.

 

There's nobody better than the manager/Keegan who can illustrate the club's on-field direction, and the pros of the English game with regards to tempo. The Croats, based on what i've seen of them, employ a spread-wide midfield line and they're largely a rapier-like counterattacking side. With the defensive bodies around him, and Modric is no shrinking violet either/he hasn't shyed away from a challenge when he's found himself defensively isolated in his often criticised 'deep role' for Croatia, he's ready-made for the EPL imo.

 

Keegan should be the only 'player' within the football front-office, when selling the club & the EPL to prospective targets.... whether that be the player himself or the players' representatives. Right now, at the minute, our prospective targets are hearing too many voices when having the club pitched at them........ especially from blokes who know bugger all about football ala *Ashley & Mort. The 'miss' involving Modric fits into this category imo, as you've implied there were plenty of voices/pitchers in on the act. It's overkill imo.

 

*and this is pertinent when considering that Ashley is supposedly going to be more 'hands on' from now on, whether this extends to transfer dealings/sealing deals, or providing assistance, is another matter. This will be discovered in due course.

 

Keegan ran our transfer business/the front office, up to the point of SJH putting the 0's on the contracts, once before and he managed that task just fine. Over a decade ago we were at the forefront of what was the beginning of the Age of the Super Transfer, and Keegan was a spearhead in what was as a then ambitious drive in the transfer market.

 

Wenger & Ferguson run there footballing front-offices with iron fists......... and likewise they've being doing just fine, especially when competing against the millions being thrown about by Abramovich, Kenyon & Arnesson.

 

Like Wenger & Ferguson, Keegan is our top asset in the football front office, and it's a bloody shame that Mort & Ashley didn't take this on board by installing their continental set-up prior to seeking Keegan's services. He should not be restricted to being a peripheral figure in the front office, as opposed to being just the continental-style 'head coach' who is responsible for what takes place on Saturdays & Sundays & out on the training paddock. And this extends to the hiring & firing of coaches as well, because by going on a recent coach sacking he allegedly has little input & knowledge with regards to movement on this front as well

 

 

 

 

 

So much verbal diahorrea, so little knowledge of how the current set-up actually works, or is supposed to work.

 

oh dear

 

 

[OzzieMandias]

Thanks for sparing us yet more verbal diahorrea.

[Guest Deep456]

Thanks for sparing us yet more verbal diahorrea.

 

[Yorkie]

Define irony.

[Guest Deep456]

Define irony.

 

When someone says one thing nd means another, often to make fun of, tease or satirize someone else.

[ChezGiven]

Define irony.

 

When someone says one thing nd means another, often to make fun of, tease or satirize someone else.

 

Wouldnt that be sarcasm you hyper-intelligent twat?

 

 

[Guest Deep456]

Define irony.

 

When someone says one thing nd means another, often to make fun of, tease or satirize someone else.

 

Wouldnt that be sarcasm you hyper-intelligent t***?

 

 

 

:lol:

[Cajun]

Irony? 

 

Sounds more like sarcasm to me.

 

Edit: Chez got there first.

[Wullie]

Our English teacher always used to tell us that irony is usually wrongly described as sarcasm.

[Guest Deep456]

Our English teacher always used to tell us that irony is usually wrongly described as sarcasm.

 

So do you disagree with my definition?

[SUPERTOON]

Irony the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning

[Dave]

It's like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife.

[Wullie]

Our English teacher always used to tell us that irony is usually wrongly described as sarcasm.

 

So do you disagree with my definition?

 

No, I'm saying you're right... I feel dirty.

[ChezGiven]

I really like the direction this thread is heading in. Of course irony can be as simple as saying one thing and meaning another. However, DeepIQ5 explicitly mentioned making fun, teasing or satirising, hence making that change in meaning a sarcastic one.

[Guest Deep456]

I really like the direction this thread is heading in. Of course irony can be as simple as saying one thing and meaning another. However, DeepIQ5 explicitly mentioned making fun, teasing or satirising, hence making that change in meaning a sarcastic one.

Well ChezIQ4.99999999999999 sarcasm and irony are strongly linked. So it can be taken in either way.

[Yorkie]

Do you think you'll recover from that comeback, Chez? 

[GG]

Define irony.

 

When someone says one thing nd means another, often to make fun of, tease or satirize someone else.

 

Who are you? Alanis Morisette?

[Guest Deep456]

Define irony.

 

When someone says one thing nd means another, often to make fun of, tease or satirize someone else.

 

Who are you? Alanis Morisette?

 

Who is Alanis Morisette?

 

Edit: No

[Yorkie]

[Guest Deep456]

 

Meh...

[danswan]

It's like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife.

 

Haha!

[GG]

An old man turned ninety-eight

He won the lottery and died the next day

It's a black fly in your Chardonnay

It's a death row pardon two minutes too late

And isn't it ironic...dontcha think

 

It's like rain on your wedding day

It's a free ride when you've already paid

It's the good advice that you just didn't take

Who would've thought...it figures

 

Mr. Play It Safe was afraid to fly

He packed his suitcase and kissed his kids goodbye

He waited his whole damn life to take that flight

And as the plane crashed down he thought

"Well isn't this nice..."

And isn't it ironic...dontcha think

 

It's like rain on your wedding day

It's a free ride when you've already paid

It's the good advice that you just didn't take

Who would've thought...it figures

 

Well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you

When you think everything's okay and everything's going right

And life has a funny way of helping you out when

You think everything's gone wrong and everything blows up

In your face

 

A traffic jam when you're already late

A no-smoking sign on your cigarette break

It's like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife

It's meeting the man of my dreams

And then meeting his beautiful wife

And isn't it ironic...dontcha think

A little too ironic...and yeah I really do think...

 

It's like rain on your wedding day

It's a free ride when you've already paid

It's the good advice that you just didn't take

Who would've thought...it figures

 

Life has a funny way of sneaking up on you

Life has a funny, funny way of helping you out

Helping you out

[danswan]

She is god on that funny film whatsitcalled?

[sicsfingeredmong]

I've said it before and I'll say it again.  When Spurs come to SJP, Modric will see the stadium and the support and he will know deep down that he made the wrong choice in going to Spurs with their crappy old stadium and average support.  Having said that I agree he looks class in the Euros, but he won't get the same sort of time or space in the EPL.  I would much rather have Raphael VDV who really looked the business against Italy.  Add Turan to the squad as well and we could really be going places.  Having said that its all just pie in the sky.  None of this will ever happen under Ashley.  He had to stump up an extra £100m to clear the debts and he clearly has no intention of allowing that to happen again which means only buying players out of money generated by the club from ticket sales etc and selling before buying.  He is taking this club backwards with his pennypinching  ( i.e. making the players pay for their own club suits! whats that all about?) and we will have the healthiest bank balance in the Championship if he doesn't get his finger out.  Rant over!

 

absolutely correct.

 

I've said myself that showing players the stadium, the support is a big pulling factor but for some strange reason some people disagreed .......... 

 

 

Not only do Ferguson's personally guided tours of Old Trafford add the midas touch to any sales pitches arrowed at potential signees, they've also become a tradition over there. Something i've raised before, and KK - ie. a charismatic figure in his own right - and the 'SJP Factor' you speak of is the closest thing we can offer from a 'club selling' standpoint.

 

But then again everything is fine according to many here, with regard to the suit-orientated 'selling team' led by Jimenez, and as always we're posting s****.

 

 

 

Although you are ignoring the fact that the following people took part in the negotiations for Modric: Mike Ashley, Chris Mort, Tony Jimenez, Dennis Wise, and Kevin Keegan, who tried to charm the Mamic brothers with his Hamburg tales.

 

James, the term 'too many chefs operating in one single kitchen' springs to mind. Too many amateurs - ie Mort and Ashley in particular - trying to play Football Manager.

 

Keegan in this new-age set-up is a peripheral figure, whereas there is nobody who can sell the club better than Keegan, afterall he personally oversaw Asprilla's transfer and prised away a player of undoubted ability from a then high-flying Serie A club in the form of Parma. Parma were at that stage the 2nd or 3rd ranked/placed team in Italy, so Keegan - and this is just one higher profile example - has the track record when it comes to sealing deals for in-demand 'stars' when there are clubs at a comparable level to ours competing for these same signatures, and surely Spurs fits into this category at the minute.

 

The club at the moment needs every advantage it can get at the moment, and while i have reservations about Spurs' continental set-up i'm prepared to acknowledge that Spurs will have a headstart on us - ie. sealing deals - because their 'selling team' headed by Commolli and Levi have been in caper longer than Wise, and longer in the English set-up than Jimenez and as such can sell the pros of English football more plainly as opposed to a high-powered, suit-oriented team issuing contract offer with a higher number ahead of the 0's, afterall we have offered more money in the way of contract offers to both Woodgate & Modric yet we've come up well short on both counts. As such he should be the central player in this regard, Jimenez and Co. should only enter the fray when personal terms need to be put on the table & signed by the relevant parties.

 

There's nobody better than the manager/Keegan who can illustrate the club's on-field direction, and the pros of the English game with regards to tempo. The Croats, based on what i've seen of them, employ a spread-wide midfield line and they're largely a rapier-like counterattacking side. With the defensive bodies around him, and Modric is no shrinking violet either/he hasn't shyed away from a challenge when he's found himself defensively isolated in his often criticised 'deep role' for Croatia, he's ready-made for the EPL imo.

 

Keegan should be the only 'player' within the football front-office, when selling the club & the EPL to prospective targets.... whether that be the player himself or the players' representatives. Right now, at the minute, our prospective targets are hearing too many voices when having the club pitched at them........ especially from blokes who know bugger all about football ala *Ashley & Mort. The 'miss' involving Modric fits into this category imo, as you've implied there were plenty of voices/pitchers in on the act. It's overkill imo.

 

*and this is pertinent when considering that Ashley is supposedly going to be more 'hands on' from now on, whether this extends to transfer dealings/sealing deals, or providing assistance, is another matter. This will be discovered in due course.

 

Keegan ran our transfer business/the front office, up to the point of SJH putting the 0's on the contracts, once before and he managed that task just fine. Over a decade ago we were at the forefront of what was the beginning of the Age of the Super Transfer, and Keegan was a spearhead in what was as a then ambitious drive in the transfer market.

 

Wenger & Ferguson run there footballing front-offices with iron fists......... and likewise they've being doing just fine, especially when competing against the millions being thrown about by Abramovich, Kenyon & Arnesson.

 

Like Wenger & Ferguson, Keegan is our top asset in the football front office, and it's a bloody shame that Mort & Ashley didn't take this on board by installing their continental set-up prior to seeking Keegan's services. He should not be restricted to being a peripheral figure in the front office, as opposed to being just the continental-style 'head coach' who is responsible for what takes place on Saturdays & Sundays & out on the training paddock. And this extends to the hiring & firing of coaches as well, because by going on a recent coach sacking he allegedly has little input & knowledge with regards to movement on this front as well

 

 

 

Another article from this morning would suggest that Keegan still takes an active role: http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2008/06/17/keegan-takes-active-role-in-recruitment-61634-21085566/

 

I think the game has changed though since Keegan was brokering deals for Asprilla, and it is suggested by many that the many agents taking over the game was one of the things that most alienated Keegan from the game when he was at Manchester City. However with the team in place it creates a system where we can use the best bits of Keegan, and leave the murky stuff to others.

 

Not sure that Spurs have any headstart given that Jimenez has been brokering high-profile deals as a super agent for years, while Wise has plenty of contacts himself.

 

IMO you're overestimating his worth, or his player-dealing history, by describing him as a 'super agent' when you consider that the sports promotion company - Casa Holdings: based in Nth London - for which he he used to be a director of is what i'd describe as a small player management company, especially if the most prominent name/client several articles can roust up happens to be Celestine Babayaro.

 

Apart from naming his involvement in bring Ramos to Spurs, in part due to Spanish being his second language & i won't ignore the fact that the bloke allegedly has contacts, would you care to list the names of the players pertaining to these high-profile deals?

 

As for Spurs allegedly not having a headstart over us when it comes to sealing deals/more effectively selling their club/selling the pros of the English league. Levy & ENIC have been in the English football caper for years now, when including his/their involvement at Rangers, as such they have more experience in the above in comparison with somebody whose original & specialist field involves property negotiations. That's were Jimenez made a name for himself, that's how he was able to build his list of contacts which of course includes Mike Ashley.

 

Wheras ENIC's business has revolved aroung having shares in and or having a controlling interest in football club business. Points also go to Commolli who has formerly worked under somebody who is arguably the best in the business - ie. Wenger - when it comes to the above.

[nobby_solano]

She is god on that funny film whatsitcalled?

 

dogma, with ben affleck and maaatt daaaamon.

 

she reminds me of when dave grohl dresses up as a girl in foo fighters videos for some reason lol