chicago_shearer Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Butt wouldn't start for Fulham or Birmingham. He is past it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Are we actually saying that Milner has the ability to dominate the midfiled? If not, then he shouldnt be there full stop. Barton > Milner Barton > Milner > Emre > Butt Milner > Emre? Milner > Butt? In the centre of midfield, how do you know? I'm better than Emre and Butt tbh Butt's been our best player last two games. Milner's not good enough, he's slow and has no redeeming features unlike nobby. Can't believe that comment. As difficult as it is to select a 'best' player from those games, i think Butt was absolutely terrible. Didn't protect the defense, abysmal distribution to the wings, and couldn't pass the ball more than ten yards. I'm really worried about Butt personally. He started the season relatively well, but he's as inconsistent as fuck. He's looked awful every time i've seen him away from home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Kev reckoned Rozenhal was an 'absolutely incredible' player (or similar) btw when did i say that? maybe first few games into season because he looked fuckin amazing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Butt's finished. This could be why KK's trying to buy an emergency defender who's supposed to be good in the air, to move big Faye forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 No I hate him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Are we actually saying that Milner has the ability to dominate the midfiled? If not, then he shouldnt be there full stop. Barton > Milner Barton > Milner > Emre > Butt Milner > Emre? Milner > Butt? In the centre of midfield, how do you know? I'm better than Emre and Butt tbh Butt's been our best player last two games. Milner's not good enough, he's slow and has no redeeming features unlike nobby. Can't believe that comment. As difficult as it is to select a 'best' player from those games, i think Butt was absolutely terrible. Didn't protect the defense, abysmal distribution to the wings, and couldn't pass the ball more than ten yards. I'm really worried about Butt personally. He started the season relatively well, but he's as inconsistent as fuck. He's looked awful every time i've seen him away from home. Between Taylor and Butt imo. Butt was excellent at breaking up the little triangles Arsenal were trying round us, was quick and clean into the challenge and rarely loses the ball (whilst in his possesion) His attempts at cross field balls though as you say are shocking. He should keep it simple. But then a lot there is no simple outlet apart from backwards so he's forced to try longer more hopefull balls. A few came off, I'll give him the fact he tries to play balls to get us into decent positions cos noone else does. But his execution is shit. That's why Emre & Butt is a good partnership because Emre is deep and demands the ball when Butt wins it, meaning he doesn't have to try a hollywood ball all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Canny lad. Works hard. Not quite good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 I'm in 2 minds about him atm. Used to love him before Christmas, he seems to have gone downhill a bit since Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 I like Milner tbh and think he's a good player. He's just playing out of position, should be given a go in centre mid where he'll be of more value. Only been saying it for years now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 How can one go downhill when they were never uphill in the first place. Doesn't even know what a hill looks like by all accounts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 How can one go downhill when they were never uphill in the first place. Doesn't even know what a hill looks like by all accounts. He has done more in his career than wonderboy Routledge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 There is no way on earth that he is a centre midfielder... Why not? His good work ethic, passing and technical are put to much better use there than on the wing. His passing accuracy is the lowest in the squad according to the opta stat thingy in the telegraph Because he's passing from the wing you tool. Taylor with his 80%+ accuracy pass rate should be up front eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 As for the Milner through the middle stuff, it's worth a try but I'm not so sure if he can do it. He was played just off the striker a few times under Roeder and he just ended up drifting wide all game. We were essentially playing with one striker and one extra winger on the left side. As a pure CM though ... maybe, but I doubt it. Simply because he has such a bad habit of losing the ball by dribbling straight into people. I'm not sure he's savvy enough, or subtle enough. Doesn't pass and move enough for me. I just can't quite see it in him. If anything I see him as a right back. He has the work rate to do a good job defensively as well as join attacks, and he would have more success attacking from deep and going up against the oppositions wingers rather than full backs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 How can one go downhill when they were never uphill in the first place. Doesn't even know what a hill looks like by all accounts. He has done more in his career than wonderboy Routledge. http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3751/bitterass05webil2.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 I just can't see him being any good in the middle either. Don't know attributes he has that makes people think that. He's not quick, nothing special vision/creative wise, can't head it, isn't that strong, not great at tackling either. Obv other things like reading of the game can only be judged when he's in the centre but something just makes me think...nah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 As for the Milner through the middle stuff, it's worth a try but I'm not so sure if he can do it. He was played just off the striker a few times under Roeder and he just ended up drifting wide all game. We were essentially playing with one striker and one extra winger on the left side. As a pure CM though ... maybe, but I doubt it. Simply because he has such a bad habit of losing the ball by dribbling straight into people. I'm not sure he's savvy enough, or subtle enough. Doesn't pass and move enough for me. I just can't quite see it in him. If anything I see him as a right back. He has the work rate to do a good job defensively as well as join attacks, and he would have more success attacking from deep and going up against the oppositions wingers rather than full backs. Because he's been shoe horned into a winger position that's why he hasn't the education through the middle, right back, have a fuking word eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 How can one go downhill when they were never uphill in the first place. Doesn't even know what a hill looks like by all accounts. He has done more in his career than wonderboy Routledge. http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3751/bitterass05webil2.jpg There be great truth in that beer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Nguyen Van Falk Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Kev reckoned Rozenhal was an 'absolutely incredible' player (or similar) btw when did i say that? maybe first few games into season because he looked fuckin amazing... Steady on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Like him? I don't know him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karjala Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Always been a fan of Milner's, although recently Ive gone off him. His crossing is pretty poor, and he has actually looked better on the LW. I think Milner could be good enough if we had a good attacking CM too, but right now we rely too heavily on him and he just aint up to the job. The fact our strikers get zero chances shows the service is lacking. Yup players like Young, Bentley, Petrov have better stats, but they are in better teams. I like Zoggy as much as any of them, but his stats wouldnt be much better if he'd played LW all season in our team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Always been a fan of Milner's, although recently Ive gone off him. His crossing is pretty poor, and he has actually looked better on the LW. I think Milner could be good enough if we had a good attacking CM too, but right now we rely too heavily on him and he just aint up to the job. The fact our strikers get zero chances shows the service is lacking. Yup players like Young, Bentley, Petrov have better stats, but they are in better teams. I like Zoggy as much as any of them, but his stats wouldnt be much better if he'd played LW all season in our team. Has Milner got an assist in the league since his cross for Martins goal against Bolton on the first game of the season? Blaming the team for him not creating anything is bollocks, his crossing being terrible is closer to the truth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pie Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Always been a fan of Milner's, although recently Ive gone off him. His crossing is pretty poor, and he has actually looked better on the LW. I think Milner could be good enough if we had a good attacking CM too, but right now we rely too heavily on him and he just aint up to the job. The fact our strikers get zero chances shows the service is lacking. Yup players like Young, Bentley, Petrov have better stats, but they are in better teams. I like Zoggy as much as any of them, but his stats wouldnt be much better if he'd played LW all season in our team. Has Milner got an assist in the league since his cross for Martins goal against Bolton on the first game of the season? Blaming the team for him not creating anything is bollocks, his crossing being terrible is closer to the truth. He is young and will only get better....etc He has been piss poor all season. Works hard, I'll give him that. End product? Shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodson Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Milner would be better if he had better players around him. Hes not a player to build a team around though. If our ambition is to become a top team, Milner is a useful squadplayer for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Always been a fan of Milner's, although recently Ive gone off him. His crossing is pretty poor, and he has actually looked better on the LW. I think Milner could be good enough if we had a good attacking CM too, but right now we rely too heavily on him and he just aint up to the job. The fact our strikers get zero chances shows the service is lacking. Yup players like Young, Bentley, Petrov have better stats, but they are in better teams. I like Zoggy as much as any of them, but his stats wouldnt be much better if he'd played LW all season in our team. Has Milner got an assist in the league since his cross for Martins goal against Bolton on the first game of the season? Blaming the team for him not creating anything is bollocks, his crossing being terrible is closer to the truth. not in the league no, and even that one shows his poor crossing technique as martins has to twist round and basically invent the goal himself with a piece of skill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 31, 2008 Share Posted January 31, 2008 Even the two goals he's got this season were jammy. (Mis-kick against Spurs fooling defenders and keeper before putting it in second time around against Spurs, then the fluke at Sunderland). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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